California governor order first ever water restrictions

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They said on the news a while ago that if the drought continues the state will be out of water in less than a year....some 38 million people....
I bet beer sales skyrocket!:)
 
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They said on the news a while ago that if the drought continues the state will be out of water in less than a year....some 38 million people....
(ware i stay any way)as long as i have lived scotland ,had never had a water problem, (thats because, like today, we have had, hail stone and rain in the same day lol) 38 million is a lot of people.

5.2 million population of scotland (2011)
 
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(ware i stay any way)as long as i have lived scotland ,had never had a water problem, (thats because, like today, we have had, hail stone and rain in the same day lol) 38 million is a lot of people.

5.2 million population of scotland (2011)
Amen yes and the same here...I live on a spring fed creek in Missouri.....probably about 10 thousand gallons a hour yeah that is a huge population for just a state...I think the U.S. is pushing 320 million....obviously not like India or China HAHAH...cool to Scotland....always wanted to see it after a few movies were made there that I have seen.....!
 

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Things are getting serious out there.............time for some folks to considering relocating in my opinion. But, if they are waiting on the Government to resolve the situation.............ALL IS LOST!

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Time to invest in Washington real estate.
 

p_rehbein

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Time to invest in Washington real estate.
Hmm, well, I suppose if they did move North a wee bit, they wouldn't have to worry about their morals and values being corrupted.............one being pretty much on a par with the other. :)
 
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I suppose it's a needless truism, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Still, I suspect conservation efforts, enforced through legislation or otherwise, won't have a significant effect unless they're capable of further curtailing the consumption of water by California's agricultural industry. Currently, agriculture comprises about four-fiths of California's overall water usage. The long-term greater good may very well be served by enacting greater allocation restraints on farmers.
 

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Currently, agriculture comprises about four-fiths of California's overall water usage. The long-term greater good may very well be served by enacting greater allocation restraints on farmers.
There ya go, put a greater strain on an already struggling industry. California's agriculture industry is already floundering since a federal judge decided that a miniscule almost unheard of fish in northern California is more important than feeding humans. Lets take even more water away from them, fallow thousands of more acres, put hundreds more agriculture workers out of work, and while were at drive up food prices for the rest of the country.

Californians can thank their politicians bowing to the environmental lobby again and again for their water problems. California has ALWAYS had a cycle of extreme drought.......by far the majority of the state is classified as desert. The greater problem isn't the drought, but the lack of new water storage to capture the excess when California has it's wet years. Since the late sixties/early seventies the population of California has exploded yet it has added only a few smaller reservoirs since then.
 
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Haha. You're always there with the one-liner. How about this? If liberals would simply relocate to China, a political system they seem to literally worship, there would be plenty of water.



Time to invest in Washington real estate.
 
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No, agriculture does not comprise four-fifths of California's water usage. Statewide, average water use is roughly 50% environmental, 40% agricultural, and 10% urban. However, the percentage of water use by sector varies dramatically across regions and between wet and dry years. Some of the water used by each of these sectors returns to rivers and groundwater basins, and can be used again.

See: Water Use in California (PPIC Publication) (Sources: California Department of Water Resources [water use and crop acreage data; all numbers are for 1998–2010], U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis [gross state product]).

I suppose it's a needless truism, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Still, I suspect conservation efforts, enforced through legislation or otherwise, won't have a significant effect unless they're capable of further curtailing the consumption of water by California's agricultural industry. Currently, agriculture comprises about four-fiths of California's overall water usage. The long-term greater good may very well be served by enacting greater allocation restraints on farmers.
 
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There ya go, put a greater strain on an already struggling industry. California's agriculture industry is already floundering since a federal judge decided that a miniscule almost unheard of fish in northern California is more important than feeding humans. Lets take even more water away from them, fallow thousands of more acres, put hundreds more agriculture workers out of work, and while were at drive up food prices for the rest of the country.

Californians can thank their politicians bowing to the environmental lobby again and again for their water problems. California has ALWAYS had a cycle of extreme drought.......by far the majority of the state is classified as desert. The greater problem isn't the drought, but the lack of new water storage to capture the excess when California has it's wet years. Since the late sixties/early seventies the population of California has exploded yet it has added only a few smaller reservoirs since then.
You're grievously understating the importance of fish species in the Delta region. Currently, the California Delta is in nothing short of ecological crisis, which is being spurred in part by the rapid decline in various key species in the area -- for instance, the Delta Smelt that you've alluded to. There's nothing unreasonable in a moratorium whose intent, in keeping with Federal law as per the Endangered Species Act, is to help preserve the area's ecosystem and the species supporting -- and being supported by -- the Delta that face the possibility of extinction. It's altogether far too easy to overlook the irreparable economic damage anthropogenic extinctions cause, which go far beyond the comparatively trivial economic circumstances of short-term economic forecasts.

While it's certainly true that California's agricultural industry has already had to bear the brunt of the current drought crisis, we're assuredly not in any imminent danger of losing our ability to feed ourselves. I'll also point out that California's drought is likely going to improve in the long term, along with the state's agricultural industry. And, if it doesn't, enacting greater restrictions now is potentially capable of saving countless acre-feet of water that California as a whole needs to survive.

Your opinion concerning California's reservoirs is especially curious for several reasons. Countless organisms in California need water to survive, and the construction a meaningful number of dams and reservoirs would undoubtedly exacerbate the extensive environmental damage plaguing the state. In addition, there's also the question of whether a major construction project would even have much of an effect on the state's ability to mitigate the effects of drought, to begin with. Since the overwhelming majority of water runoff has already been claimed by existing reservoirs, new construction projects would undoubtedly be plagued by diminishing returns. It'd be an exorbitantly expensive, and largely futile, investment.

Let's not forget that reservoirs and dams don't magically create water -- they simply divert resources that would otherwise be claimed by the environment. Given the extent to which california's water table is already claimed, large reservoirs would do almost nothing to alleviate the economic damage caused by a major drought. They'd perpetually remain far below their maximum capacity while contributing only slightly to the state's water available for human use, and they'd cost billions of taxpayer dollars. The "environmental lobby" is hardly the sole force opposing the construction of new water storage areas. It doesn't make sense to construct them from any angle, environmental or otherwise.

What wouldpotentially be a sensible investment are proposed groundwater projects, which promise to be less expensive (and, more importantly, less environmentally destructive) than surface reservoirs. However, these aren't necessarily viable long-term solutions to the state's water problems, either. Overall, the issue is far, far more complex than "let's throw money at the problem and build new reservoirs!" That's just not how it works.
 
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No, agriculture does not comprise four-fifths of California's water usage. Statewide, average water use is roughly 50% environmental, 40% agricultural, and 10% urban. However, the percentage of water use by sector varies dramatically across regions and between wet and dry years. Some of the water used by each of these sectors returns to rivers and groundwater basins, and can be used again.

See: Water Use in California (PPIC Publication) (Sources: California Department of Water Resources [water use and crop acreage data; all numbers are for 1998–2010], U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis [gross state product]).
I'm alluding to water consumption by humans. "California's overall water usage" was a bit poorly-worded and overtly broad. My mistake.
 

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Haha. You're always there with the one-liner. How about this? If liberals would simply relocate to China, a political system they seem to literally worship, there would be plenty of water.
That's simply genius! We'll make sure they are dispersed within the population as well. Wouldn't want them to act like colonialists. We know what happens when liberals fall to cognitive dissonance...
 
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No problem. I appreciate your honesty here.

I'm alluding to water consumption by humans. "California's overall water usage" was a bit poorly-worded and overtly broad. My mistake.
 
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Yes, it is. However, as a California taxpayer, I don't think they're addressing it in the best way for either the fish and dependent wildlife or the human population.

For example, one of the very first things they should have done is build a delta smelt fish reserve similar to the San Bernardino Whitewater reserve (only much larger, of course). That would immediately protect the species from extinction and provide an ample supply of feeders for repopulating areas most impacted.

Also, pumping water correctly and enlarging the Twitchell Island Channel in the Sacramento Delta could eliminate reverse water flows sucking young smelt into the pumps of the State Water Project would allow most of the farmers to get back their access to water.

Etc...

Both issues can be solved if done correctly but that's not what's currently happening.


You're grievously understating the importance of fish species in the Delta region. Currently, the California Delta is in nothing short of ecological crisis, which is being spurred in part by the rapid decline in various key species in the area -- for instance, the Delta Smelt that you've alluded to.
 

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I suppose it's a needless truism, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Still, I suspect conservation efforts, enforced through legislation or otherwise, won't have a significant effect unless they're capable of further curtailing the consumption of water by California's agricultural industry. Currently, agriculture comprises about four-fiths of California's overall water usage. The long-term greater good may very well be served by enacting greater allocation restraints on farmers.
uh, and then what would the Nation eat? just wondering, given that our Government pays thousands of farmers to NOT GROW crops...........and that California is sorta known as the bread basket of the Nation........although, I would think the Mid-West would argue with that........

Dunno, thinking of the effect this would have on the State economy and the National economy, not sure it would be the solution that is best for all.
 
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I suppose it's a needless truism, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
The problem is, the "desperate times" are not all the result of a lack of rain. Much of it is being caused by the federal government.

California Drains Reservoirs in the Middle of a Drought

One of the worst droughts in California's history has devastated more than a half-million acres of the most fertile farmland in America. In communities like Sacramento, "water police" go from door to door to enforce conservation measures. There's even a mobile "app" to report neighbors to city authorities so they can be fined for wasting water.

With the Sierra snowpack at 4% of normal as of May 20, Californians will desperately need what little water remains behind its dams this summer. Authorities have warned some towns like Folsom—home of Folsom Lake—to expect daily rationing of 50 gallons per person, a 60% cut from average household usage.

Yet last month the Bureau of Reclamation drained Folsom and other reservoirs on the American and Stanislaus rivers of more than 70,000 acre feet of water—enough to meet the annual needs of a city of half a million people—for the comfort and convenience of fish.
That was a little over ten months ago. It is still going on. "The drought be damned, we gotta save the fish!" This is the kind of buggered-up mentality eviro-nuts and liberals brings us. Welcome to the end times (but I know you don't believe in that, so just welcome to man-made disaster the men making it won't admit is their fault).


That Brown allows himself to be complicit it this nonsense is cause for impeachment, or recall. Unfortunately, the voters of California are not going to do that, which says a great deal about them that makes it unnecessary for me to say.