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Therapon

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I don't have to go to your books or videos to prove it. Just in this thread, you have not only accused Barack Obama of not being Christian (despite his very clear assertions that he is), and you have even stated you doubt that I am a Christian. Unless you want to make some case that you didn't actually write those things yesterday, there is all the proof one needs to see that you have usurped God's authority and made judgment's about the salvation of others who are children of God.

If you are truly "sorry" that I believe these things to be true, then recant and apologize. As long as you stand by your statements of judgement of other people's salvation, my statements are absolutely true, whether you like them or not.

Don't like what you see in the mirror? Not my problem.
Sheesh! I did not write that you were unsaved and I wrote that Obama himself said he was a Muslim. No Christian who loves the Lord Jesus Jesus would publically say what he said. In fact, Christians in the Muslim world are being murdered because they refuse to. I guess you don't understand taqiyya. Might want to check that out on the Internet.


Of lesser importance, it also appears you might not understand the subtleties of what you read so continuing this would obviously be an exercise in futility. Adios.
 
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webchatter

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Therapon, I reread the posts looking for evidence of the accusations of you "usurping God's authority", "giving Christianity a bad name", "claiming to know what God has planned for everyone on the planet". You wrote nothing to support that accusation. It's a false accusation. Don't let it bother you. Everyone can read.
Sometimes people like to be rude & shut down a thread if it's a subject they don't like people discussing. ( I don't know if it's the case here tho). I noticed on other threads that people who disagree with the topic will participate & single out a couple people to verbally attack, so that others will quit discussing it, cause they don't want to be bothered with all the "drama". Making false accusations against someone is impossible to defend because it was never said to begin with. It's just a distraction tool to end the thread.
You were the 2nd person in this thread to be treated so rudely by the same accuser, & I will probably be the 3rd. :) Regardless, thank you for the link. I had seen Obama make most of those speeches, but I had not seen the footage of him bowing to a Muslim king as our president!!!! OUTLANDISH!!! No other president would dream of such. Millions of people see right thru Obama, according to HIS words & HIS actions. Other people will continue to idolize him, treat him as a celebrity, worship him, or align themselves with him fondly because of his supposed ideology. These people, as we have seen over & over again, REFUSE to investigate the matter & depend solely on what the news media tells them to think:CNN, FOX, ABC,CBS,NBC, etc. It's as if a "veil" was covering their eyes.
You were also accused of "looking under your bed for monsters". lol. No need for that, he was jsut on "The View" a few months ago.
 
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accused Barack Obama of not being Christian
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2o2fKbLJc8?[/video]

Taqiyya تقية (alternate spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation, or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.
This practice was emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.


Oops does he slip in his comment about his true faith then uses Taqiyya when he corrects himself saying "my Christian faith" only after the interviewer points it out?
As we all know most candidates will say almost anything to get votes. Do you think that he would have gotten the votes he did if he admitted to being a muslim?

People can believe what they want to believe about his faith. I just do not believe that any truly born again believer would ever, ever call the quran holy. For any teachings that lead people away from Christ cannot be holy let alone inspired by God.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
 
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How about the video?

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5XXL5IrvVA?[/video]
 
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webchatter

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Yes ty Christian Warrior, I saw this on Therapon's video posted here. I had never seen it before & I watch most of his speeches etc. If any organization dares to bring up the bent knee head bowed, as proof of his subservient allegiance to Islam, Obama could just say, "I dropped my ring that used to say, "no other god but Allah" ,or "I was looking for my ring" & most U.S.citizens would believe him.
Problem is, all Muslims know exactly what it means. Our fate is sealed on earth. lol
Every picture tells a story .
 
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If any organization dares to bring up the bent knee head bowed, as proof of his subservient allegiance to Islam, Obama could just say, "I dropped my ring that used to say, "no other god but Allah" ,or "I was looking for my ring" & most U.S.citizens would believe him.
Your left out "I tripped" lol.
 

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or it could just be a show of respect between different cultures. Just because we dont bow to others doesnt mean others dont. Its a practice throughout most of asia.
 
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webchatter

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He didn't bow to the Queen of England & many/any others.
 

Nautilus

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actually if you watch he does bow at the waist...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLuLEfVNow[/video]
 
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Therapon

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Therapon, I reread the posts looking for evidence of the accusations of you "usurping God's authority", "giving Christianity a bad name", "claiming to know what God has planned for everyone on the planet". You wrote nothing to support that accusation. It's a false accusation. Don't let it bother you.
Thank you for the kindly post. I don't get a lot of them so it was truly appreciated. I've been teaching Bible for so many years that accusations don't bother me nearly as much as the hardness of heart saddens me. I've wept many a tear because I was unable to get some biblical truth across to people determined not to believe it. What has happened in the Church that we have so little spiritual insight? Are we in such delusion that we are willing to defend what we want to believe above provable reality?


The harsh words of so many never fails to surprise me. I was at Columbia Bible College a few years ago, sitting next to a missionary from Europe. I happened to disagree with something a visiting speaker was saying and whispered it to the missionary, who replied, "oh, I agree with you, but I wasn't going to say so in case I might offend you." I learned an important lesson right there; he was gently teaching me that if he had disagreed, my comment could have offended him. Has something happened to the gentile Holy Spirit that some, so full of sound and fury, claim they are so full of?
 
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Therapon

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You know the Queen (God bless her) told her people to never let that woman be in her presence again because of the unbelievably crass disrespect she showed the monarchy.
 
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Nautilus

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Who cares about the Queen though? Its not like her personal opinion is going to ruin anything between us and England. She is the 'head' of a constitutional monarchy...
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Grunge speaks again for the downtrodden.......
She sticks up again for the status quo.
Think it not strange the fiery trials of standing for something other than the majority Therapon.
There will always be those who have a 'grunge' against it.
Grunge speaks again for the downtrodden.......
She sticks up again for the status quo.
I do speak again for the downtrodden. I'm not sure how one could say that is the status quo. I speak for the downtrodden, because the Prophets and Jesus spoken for the downtrodden. I don't really care what the rest of the world does or says. The popularity of my words is of no concern to me, only their truth.

If a person judges the salvation of another person who claims to be a Christian, that is a grievous sin.

If anyone on this board feels it's okay to sin, and/or that we, as Christians, should not speak out against sin, please provide for me Scriptural reference so that I can be corrected. Otherwise, I stand by my words.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Therapon, I reread the posts looking for evidence of the accusations of you "usurping God's authority"
He claims Obama is not Christian. He continues to insist on that, using poorly edited videos that have been clipped and spliced to string together times when Obama has said "I" in one case, "am" in another, and "Muslim" in a third. They are obviously edit jobs, and not even very good edit jobs at that.

If someone is honestly fooled by those videos, and honestly thinks Obama is admitting he is Muslim, then they are stupid beyond belief. I seriously cannot fathom how anyone wouldn't see through it.

Obama has stated publicly, for the record, that he is a Christian. He attends church regularly, he prays to Jesus, and when asked what religion he belongs to, he states that he is Christian every single time. If you do not believe that he is Christian, you are judging his salvation. The only way you can do that is to claim that you have some sort of inside knowledge -- something that no human outside of Jesus Christ could possibly have.

Therefore, Therapon is usurping God's authority, plain and simple. He can recant and apologize, as I said, or continue. It really doesn't make a difference to me -- what he does is between him and God. I'm simply pointing out a fact.

Listen, I'm not particularly thrilled with brother Barack. He has done quite a few things I don't agree with. Some of his actions certainly seem less Christ-like than I would like. Has he sinned? Absolutely. If sinning disqualifies someone from being a Christian, then there are no Christians on this planet.

So Barack spoke highly of the Islamic culture. How does that make him a Muslim? If I say I like tacos does that make me a Mexican? Seriously, that's how idiotic it is to say that speaking highly of a culture means you must be one. The Western world DOES owe a lot to Islamic culture. While Europeans were eating raw meat with their hands and hitting people on the head with clubs, Arabs and Persians had developed higher mathematics and already knew that the world wasn't flat. That is noteworthy. It doesn't mean you're ashamed of being white, it's simply understanding a little world culture.

So Barack is polite to people in other cultures. Bush bowed to the leaders in China and Korea, and no one accused him of being slanty-eyed. Reagan spoke a little Russian when he visited the Kremlin: does that mean he was a Commie Pinko? Of course not. Why, then, do you think just because Obama bowed to some Arab leader, all of a sudden he must be Muslim? I refuse to believe you're that stupid. No one can be that stupid.

Seriously, there are plenty of things that Obama has done that warrant criticism. He has continued a war started by his predecessor, one he criticized at the time, but he continues the blood bath. That's certainly not very Christ-like. Why not use THAT as evidence against his Christianity? Perhaps because every president -- and a whole lot of ministers -- would also be excluded if that were the litmus test.

I'm not thrilled with Obama's continued restrictions of personal rights and freedom through the Patriot Act. But this is not a reflection on his faith or lack thereof. After all, again, it was his predecessor who started that act. If the Patriot Act is an anti-Christian document, then you'd have to say Bush was a non-Christian before Obama.

Obama has criticized some religious leaders. Yes, and so did Jesus, you may remember. So I'm not sure how that can be seen as evidence for his lack of Christianity.

Call him a liberal, I will agree 100%. Call him a war-monger, and you'll find in me a soul-sister. Call him a power-hungry political talking-head, and I'm in your Amen corner.

But judge his faith just because you personally don't like him? That is uncalled for, that is sin, and I absolutely will call you on it every time.
 
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Therapon

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Who cares about the Queen though? Its not like her personal opinion is going to ruin anything between us and England. She is the 'head' of a constitutional monarchy...
If we look at the Old Testament, God hated disloyalty to Him above all other sins, so we should care because of our own honor and loyalty. The British monarchy has ruled its people for over a 1000 years. Five hundred or so years ago it also ruled part of France and part of this continent and Elizabeth I helped save the Protestant world from Catholicism by beating the Spanish Armada of Philip II of Spain. A British sovereign also gave us the King James Bible, the most important English translation of God’s Word that has ever been made. Two hundred years ago the British empire was so large that it covered the whole globe and the sun never set on the British flag. Britain's influence was so great that English became the dominant world language and the English language is partly responsible for our becoming a world super-power.

Britain has been the only firm trustworthy friend and ally we've had since the Civil War. They were with is in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, even sometimes when it wasn’t in their own interest, but they were with us anyway because they were our friends. I don't know how you treat your friends, but I would never treat mine as shabbily as this administration has treated the British. It isn't like we have a world full of countries out there who like and trust us; we have pretty much betrayed them all, including Israel.

Of course I don’t expect you to know any of this because they don’t teach our history (or anyone else’s) in school anymore. A couple of years ago, a Fox newsman was standing outside the NY studio asking passersby to name this country’s first president. If memory serves, only one of the dozen or so people asked said “George Washington,” and they weren’t sure about it, LOL.
 

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lol i see it explains so much..KJV the greatest english translation...ok gotcha. and the do teach us that, but that was the past and what that has to do with current times I have no idea.
 
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Therapon

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lol i see it explains so much..KJV the greatest english translation...ok gotcha. and they do teach us that, but that was the past and what that has to do with current times I have no idea.
In the dangerous world we have today, we need all the friends we can get. Britain is one of the very few we have always been able to trust, so it just makes sense to treat them nicely.


I guess I didn't get across very well what I was really trying to say. We owe a lot to the British. It was the original home of most of our initial settlers. And the Pilgrims didn't come here straight out of the stone age, naked and without shoes; they came here with tools and centuries of accumulated knowledge. The original colonies were actually little pieces of England. Just look at their names sprinkled all over our East coast: New England, New York, New Bedford, New Haven, Virginia, New Hampshire, Bristol, Portsmouth, Baltimore . . . I could go on and on. We owe the British for every bit of that . . . our language, our basic science, our legal system and our Judeo-Christian culture. We should also treat them well because it's honorable and Christian and the right thing to do.
 
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In the dangerous world we have today, we need all the friends we can get. Britain is one of the very few we have always been able to trust, so it just makes sense to treat them nicely.


I guess I didn't get across very well what I was really trying to say. We owe a lot to the British. It was the original home of most of our initial settlers. And the Pilgrims didn't come here straight out of the stone age, naked and without shoes; they came here with tools and centuries of accumulated knowledge. The original colonies were actually little pieces of England. Just look at their names sprinkled all over our East coast: New England, New York, New Bedford, New Haven, Virginia, New Hampshire, Bristol, Portsmouth, Baltimore . . . I could go on and on. We owe the British for every bit of that . . . our language, our basic science, our legal system and our Judeo-Christian culture. We should also treat them well because it's honorable and Christian and the right thing to do.
We can also ironically thank them for persecution of the inhabitants of East Anglia. There would be no America otherwise.

The past teaches us where we have come from and tells us where we could go. It is an equal part of the continuum that is past, present, and future. It informs us of glories and sins for which we still reap both benefits and guilt-laden sorrow. Sometimes it even tells us when something like forgiveness is necessary. If we forget it, the past will reassert itself in our minds. If we point to it with pure contempt, it will remind us of what is contemptible within us. One way or another.

It also reminds us of the cardinal truth: Man is fallen albeit made in God's image; God is sovereign though mysterious in his dispensation of forgiveness and in the enacting of his will. We are to absolutize nothing but this.
 
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Therapon

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We can also ironically thank them for persecution of the inhabitants of East Anglia. There would be no America otherwise.
How well I know. Some of my family are members of the Mayflower Society. On mother's side of the family, I am a descendant of a Pilgrim, Priscilla Mullins, who came over on the Mayflower in 1620.