Are Liberals "Cutting Off Free Speech"?

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7seasrekeyed

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I personally don't watch any of the network news stations but am interested in what y'all think about Laura Ingraham saying that the Liberals are "cutting off free speech".

Laura Ingraham returns following boycott, says liberals 'cutting off free speech' - ABC News

who boy

let's start with this. Bill Maher thinks the same as Ingraham


[video]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/07/bill_maher_denounces_bully_david_hogg_for_ingraham _boycott_modern_way_of_cutting_off_free_speech.htm l[/video]

I would post the actual vid, but as it appears as part of an article, the page link will have to do (unless I'm missing something)

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On Friday's presentation of HBO's Real Time host Bill Maher said while he doesn't agree with Laura Ingraham, a frequent guest on his old ABC show Politically Correct, he doesn't believe she should be a victim of a boycott because she made fun of Parkland shooting survivor-turned-activist David Hogg for being rejected from colleges he wished to attend. Maher noted the jab came after, naturally, Hogg shared the news on social media.

Maher said Hogg and his cohorts have entered the public arena and therefore they are fair game. Maher, however, did note he wishes them success in their push for gun control but said people now have the "right" to argue back if they are going to make themselves the champions of the cause, even if they are in high school.

"Maybe you shouldn't stay that about a 17-year-old, but again, he is in the arena. And then he calls for a boycott of her sponsors. Now, really, is that American?" Maher asked.



"Effectively, it is the modern way of cutting off free speech," Maher said.

The HBO host said while Ingraham is a "deliberately terrible person" who has a history of saying "horrible things," she shouldn't be a victim of a boycott. Maher faced heat from his panel, notably disgraced former New York governor Eliot Spitzer, who said it is free speech for the Parkland teens to call for a boycott. Maher, who has been a victim of boycotts himself, called it a "chilling atmosphere."

Spitzer said the boycott is about the "right to speak back." Maher argued speaking back is different than a boycott.

read more on the page

as for what I think...I'm still sifting through the debris but I thought this vid would make an interesting point seeing the source
 
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I personally don't watch any of the network news stations but am interested in what y'all think about Laura Ingraham saying that the Liberals are "cutting off free speech".

Laura Ingraham returns following boycott, says liberals 'cutting off free speech' - ABC News
What have you seen lately about how conservatives take what happened in that school? What have you ever heard of what conservatives think on that?

What have you heard about as far as what conservatives think about cops? Trump? Trade negotiations with China? North Korea? Putin and his latest election? Blacks? Family? "Women's health?" Statues being taken away?

What have you heard from conservatives on any issue about anything happening in the US?

AND, if you heard it, did it ever come from MSM?

We've been cut off for decades now. A bit surprised no one noticed. We're even being cut off in that news story. ABC is pretending to report news, but no way will they ever talk to her about it. Much more important to get interviews with porn stars and people who hate Trump.

They've been cutting us off. Now they're doing it through advertisers.
 

Enoch987

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Diamond and Silk is banned from Facebook.
Alex Jones is holding a press conference in Washington, DC to address the censoring of conservatives and will likely file a countersuit lawsuit to stop defamation and libel from the liberals. His home is in Austin, TX so this is important to him. He says it's the battle for the first amendment. He interviewed Diamond and Silk during the presidential campaign.
 

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It's worse than just the mainstream media monopoly that we have all come accustomed to. Now, EVEN communication platforms, virtually all of which are controlled by leftists, are being manipulated to stifle ANY voice that doesn't mimic the leftist, social justice (read fascist) line. Most people use google for instance. Not only do they have a record in the cloud of every one of your keystrokes and physical location, but they control search results to the extent that for all intents and purposes info disappears.

Here is another way from gigantic leftist TWITTER:
Twitter Censorship: What Is Shadow Banning? | Breitbart
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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In my country very definitely yes. Even our allegedly conservative government is full of Socialist controllers.
 

hornetguy

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I personally don't watch any of the network news stations but am interested in what y'all think about Laura Ingraham saying that the Liberals are "cutting off free speech".

Laura Ingraham returns following boycott, says liberals 'cutting off free speech' - ABC News
I agree with Lynn.. it's been going on for quite some time now, and I think they are on a roll.... trying to drive the final nail in the coffin of free conservative speech.

I'm amazed that Maher noticed that, and spoke about it. That is the first time I've ever agreed with him.
 

AdolfHipster

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Diamond and Silk is banned from Facebook.
Alex Jones is holding a press conference in Washington, DC to address the censoring of conservatives and will likely file a countersuit lawsuit to stop defamation and libel from the liberals. His home is in Austin, TX so this is important to him. He says it's the battle for the first amendment. He interviewed Diamond and Silk during the presidential campaign.
I mean, Facebook is a private company. They have the right to "censor" anything they see fit. From what I heard, they said it was a mistake and not normally their proper protocol to do what they did to Diamond and Silk... regardless, they have the right to do as they wish seeing as their product is "opt-in". Facebook isn't a "right" to anyone, liberal or conservative...

I say this and I hate social media... I never thought I'd "defend" Facebook... something I despise so much, but the libertarian in me says people are becoming way too entitled. I see it no differently than being on this site... If I do something, or even if I don't do anything wrong at all, here and I'm removed... or perhaps this very post is removed, I have the option to discontinue coming here. No one is forcing me to come to ChristianChat and post in the forums... nor is it a God-given right for me to have an account here and post.
 
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AdolfHipster

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If people feel so strongly about Facebook's bias, you're more than welcome to boycott their services. Put your money where your mouth is. If you aren't willing to leave it, I doubt it's going to be much motivation or incentive for Facebook to change their MO.
 

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Be encouraged. Remember, no matter how big and mighty the Liberal media think they are, God is bigger and His grace greater than their attempts to deceive. Nothing is hidden from God and He reveals it to us supernaturally. We walk by faith, not by sight. God is in control of everything. Everything else is dust compared to Him. Glory to His name!
 
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Did anyone actually watch the video of David Hoggs that Miss Ingraham was talking about?? I did...

If you watch it you will see that she was not making fun of him at all. She was describing exactly what he said and did in the video. He whined about not getting accepted into 4 colleges and then blamed his non-acceptance on their trying to silence him because of his views... BUT he fails to mention that he applied to all those colleges months before the Parkland shooting happened!

I dont have time to look for a video of it now... but might post it later..
 

AdolfHipster

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Did anyone actually watch the video of David Hoggs that Miss Ingraham was talking about?? I did...

If you watch it you will see that she was not making fun of him at all. She was describing exactly what he said and did in the video. He whined about not getting accepted into 4 colleges and then blamed his non-acceptance on their trying to silence him because of his views... BUT he fails to mention that he applied to all those colleges months before the Parkland shooting happened!

I dont have time to look for a video of it now... but might post it later..
Did Hoggs whine about not being accepted by 4 colleges? Yes. Did he get denied because of his political stance on guns? Heck no... if anything, they would accept him now that they know his stance and because he's a survivor of Parkland. However... did Ingraham apologize for her tweet? Yes. Clearly, she is admitting fault here.

I don't see Laura's speech being "cut off". She could still use twitter to poke fun at a 17-year old kid. No one (unless twitter steps in) will stop her if that's what she wants to do. Even if twitter stops her which is their prerogative, she can still say whatever she thinks out loud. We have to remember, there are consequences, good and/or bad, for every action we take. The consequences of Laura's "free speech" is that Hoggs used his free speech to ask everyone to boycott Laura's ad companies... as a result, 15 or so companies pulled their ads from her show. That is part of how capitalism ought to work... If the consumer is NOT pleased, they can choose to boycott/pull away and hurt them by the power of the dollar.

Perhaps it's because I lean slightly more conservative, but I'm just getting annoyed and frustrated with conservatives who are following in the liberal's entitlement mentality. Twitter, Facebook, Fox News, and commercial companies are NOT required to allow you to voice your "free speech" while simultaneously having to do business with you. Take responsibility for your actions and move on from it. Laura apologized, the kid isn't accepting it... oh well. Her speech isn't cut though... The companies that pulled out have EVERY right to do so. Boycott them if you are displeased with the companies right to not do business with her or Fox anymore... it's your right as a consumer... that's how you "fight back" effectively.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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if you look close, you can see the strings connected to Hogg

he's a puppet who obviously enjoys the spotlight

I was particularly fond of his upraised arm with fist clenched. I don't think of him as a 'survivor' either. a survivor would be someone who was actually shot and lived

but then again I have stricter standards and don't think the meanings of words should be changed to suit an agenda
 

7seasrekeyed

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If people feel so strongly about Facebook's bias, you're more than welcome to boycott their services. Put your money where your mouth is. If you aren't willing to leave it, I doubt it's going to be much motivation or incentive for Facebook to change their MO.

did you catch Mr FB's reaction when Graham (who is intensely jealous of Trump and does his very RHINO best to pretend he is not) asked him what platforms were his competition?

sad thing is, the ONLY real competition he had, he gobbled up AFTER Instagram said it would never sel
the ever-changing algorithms of fb make sure people with a page have to pay if they want anyone to see their posts

I would really like a serious challenge to fb and then tell my followers (for my page) where to find me and I would pay for that

as it is, I stopped posting regularly a long time ago...almost 8000 followers means nothing these days. people were smart to conduct their business from their personal page...they are doing ok

in fact, they are doing better than people like me who have many x's the followers
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Be encouraged. Remember, no matter how big and mighty the Liberal media think they are, God is bigger and His grace greater than their attempts to deceive. Nothing is hidden from God and He reveals it to us supernaturally. We walk by faith, not by sight. God is in control of everything. Everything else is dust compared to Him. Glory to His name!

we could call God 'the Final Solution' to the mess in the world

and things are not 'looking' good for sure, but we are supposed to look up when that goes on

I truly believe it is only the Spirit of God that keeps the devil from his plan of utter destruction of all God holds dear

I have thought more than once that there MUST be a God because if God did not exist, the world would have blown itself up a long long time ago
 
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I mean, Facebook is a private company. They have the right to "censor" anything they see fit. From what I heard, they said it was a mistake and not normally their proper protocol to do what they did to Diamond and Silk... regardless, they have the right to do as they wish seeing as their product is "opt-in". Facebook isn't a "right" to anyone, liberal or conservative...

I say this and I hate social media... I never thought I'd "defend" Facebook... something I despise so much, but the libertarian in me says people are becoming way too entitled. I see it no differently than being on this site... If I do something, or even if I don't do anything wrong at all, here and I'm removed... or perhaps this very post is removed, I have the option to discontinue coming here. No one is forcing me to come to ChristianChat and post in the forums... nor is it a God-given right for me to have an account here and post.
Let's try it this way. I have a novel I want published. It isn't a Christian novel, but I am Christian, and conservative. Two things I want to happen to sell that novel:
1. Have an agent to hawk it to the right publishing houses.
2. Market it.

238 agents represent middle-grade novels. Out of that list, I excluded all but 89 of them. Why did I exclude them? Two reasons:
1. Their morals.
2. My morals.

What's wrong with their morals? Do you think agents should try and sell children's books promoting the LBGTQXYZ agenda? Hell no! And yet, that's what they're looking for. It's selling.

That left me with 89 agents. Out of those 89 agents, roughly ten never gave hints of their political or religious beliefs. The rest are liberals. I've got nothing against liberals. (I've got everything against anarchists.) But what are the chances they'll have nothing against me either? After all, if you think liberally, will you even like a story that's obviously conservative? (And, again. Not a Christian writer, a Christian who writes. So this isn't promoting any belief system or political party, which, got to say, since it's a Children-fight-Capitol-Hill series is going to be tough to pull off, but again. I've got nothing against real liberals.)

And think about it. 238 agents representing children's books, and 228 of them are liberal. Don't you think that shows where the publishing climate is in the English speaking world? (Because that includes agents in Canada and Great Britain.)

Now about marketing. Guess which platforms are best to market on. FB and Twitter!

Along with being a writer, I'm also a human being! I'm also a loud mouth and opinionated. I'm terrified to say anything negative about the anarchists' agenda for fear of being banned. Or found out by the agents. BUT, I cannot shut up, so I do respond to some incredibly stupid Tweets and FB posts.

Guess what. Big Brother is watching. Zuckerberg just told Congress and the American public that he is deleting accounts of people who are anti-liberals. And he doesn't mean anti-liberals. He means anti-anarchists. Because he is one! We've just hit 1984! And under the guise that "no one is forcing us," too!
 
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Be encouraged. Remember, no matter how big and mighty the Liberal media think they are, God is bigger and His grace greater than their attempts to deceive. Nothing is hidden from God and He reveals it to us supernaturally. We walk by faith, not by sight. God is in control of everything. Everything else is dust compared to Him. Glory to His name!
First century Christianity, Stalin and Hitler. Be scared too, because God's work happened during the slaughtering of Christians in the 100s of 1000s range, at least three times. More if you start thinking communism in Asia. (The Lord never promised us a rose garden. Nice when he gives us one too, but only one apostle died naturally. All others were killed for their beliefs. Oh, and the one who died of natural causes was also beaten and exiled earlier.)
 

7seasrekeyed

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yeah you said a mouthful there Depleted

most of my facebook 'friends' (personal page) are liberal and one even really anti-God...but she knows I am a Christian and every once in a while will 'test' me by writing something on a post on my page that she knows might get a knee jerk response

she does not get one though

I used to do all the twitter etc things because I sell what I create, but I stopped it all because it is just not me to self promote like that (nothing against those who do...it's just not me) . my husband does the marketing and pricing, thankfully, and we mainly sell at events and such. he still works full time too...I guess we are busy haha

I have written a number of stories that feature dogs as the characters and had people clamoring for more and someone even going to help promote them (actually I still have a really good 'dog' story kicking around in my brain that someone was going to market but I don't know if I want to do it or not plus I illustrate so that's a plus)

anyway, have you thought of self publishing online? I know a number of people who have done that and done well...markets for just everything these days..you could always try I guess

not minding your business for you..just mentioning it
 

7seasrekeyed

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Let's try it this way. I have a novel I want published. It isn't a Christian novel, but I am Christian, and conservative. Two things I want to happen to sell that novel:
1. Have an agent to hawk it to the right publishing houses.
2. Market it.

238 agents represent middle-grade novels. Out of that list, I excluded all but 89 of them. Why did I exclude them? Two reasons:
1. Their morals.
2. My morals.

What's wrong with their morals? Do you think agents should try and sell children's books promoting the LBGTQXYZ agenda? Hell no! And yet, that's what they're looking for. It's selling.

That left me with 89 agents. Out of those 89 agents, roughly ten never gave hints of their political or religious beliefs. The rest are liberals. I've got nothing against liberals. (I've got everything against anarchists.) But what are the chances they'll have nothing against me either? After all, if you think liberally, will you even like a story that's obviously conservative? (And, again. Not a Christian writer, a Christian who writes. So this isn't promoting any belief system or political party, which, got to say, since it's a Children-fight-Capitol-Hill series is going to be tough to pull off, but again. I've got nothing against real liberals.)

And think about it. 238 agents representing children's books, and 228 of them are liberal. Don't you think that shows where the publishing climate is in the English speaking world? (Because that includes agents in Canada and Great Britain.)

Now about marketing. Guess which platforms are best to market on. FB and Twitter!

Along with being a writer, I'm also a human being! I'm also a loud mouth and opinionated. I'm terrified to say anything negative about the anarchists' agenda for fear of being banned. Or found out by the agents. BUT, I cannot shut up, so I do respond to some incredibly stupid Tweets and FB posts.

Guess what. Big Brother is watching. Zuckerberg just told Congress and the American public that he is deleting accounts of people who are anti-liberals. And he doesn't mean anti-liberals. He means anti-anarchists. Because he is one! We've just hit 1984! And under the guise that "no one is forcing us," too!
I don't believe at all that he was not aware of the so called 'breach'. he has been actively doing it since conception...and you prob know it was not even his conception

he's a stinker (family friendly forum) to put it mildly and you know he is lying when he starts talking :p

he has banned people for scraping personal info (without his permission) going years back. always about the $$$. I never did it, but you used to be able to purchase apps that would do it for you...all in the name of making money for whatever it was you were trying to sell on fb

I know a bit of inside stuff on how things go because I used to belong to an outfit out of the UK with regards to using WordPress so learned quite a bit about security etc, but I don't use WP anymore because it is actually impossible to have a 100% secure site and I have had a couple of sites hacked, including 'brute force' attempts from eastern block countries (which was ridiculous, but they want to piggy back off your site for their endeavors at hacking others)...had my pc hacked with a 3rd party 'using' it and had to hire a firm to get me out of that mess ...I could go on...but the thing is, everyone can just forget privacy. nothing is truly secure.

I only use platforms for my 2 sites with a company that does all the work with regards to security etc. these days, you can create beautiful sites without needing WP anyway...most beautiful sites are either using WP or a platform that provides themes in which you can do basically the same with a little html5 or hire someone

alot of blah blah blah I guess, but I would not ever put my opinions on fb or any similar platform and people keep on keeping on doing it anyway as though they were having a chat with their best friend. I have no politics there and really would like to just move on from it but I understand why business or 'public personas' use it and that's fine
 

longtrekker

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It all reminds me of the one;

Ya know what the opposite of 'diversity' is ?
University!