Becomes Trump a dictator?

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Kroogz

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Well I do not view the world that way, I refuse to be polarized by the lame stream media.
Just my view...but then I am not American so that makes it easy, lol.
Ok. That makes sense. The democrats in this country are easily manipulated by the media and big government. The republicans are the party that question things and don't give them the benefit of the doubt.

If Elon said," Take my chip." Republicans would be saying NO.

If Elon said, " I am now a democrat, take my chip." The democrats would fight each other to be the first. And the media would 24/7 run that Elon is now the messiah.
 

HeIsHere

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If Elon said," Take my chip." Republicans would be saying NO.
I do not think it is going to happen like that because so far it is has not worked.

I really doubt the science is anywhere near it working, I do not see it as something meant for mass distribution but who knows, maybe in 100 years when we are full into a Brave New World.
 

Kroogz

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The power of veto given any POTUS to veto bills passed by Congress. Any and all of the bills passed by the US Congress from it's foundation till now.
Yeah, It seems we agree. BUT......What veto from Trump are you speaking of? I have not seen any.
 

Kroogz

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I do not think it is going to happen like that because so far it is has not worked.

I really doubt the science is anywhere near it working, I do not see it as something meant for mass distribution but who knows, maybe in 100 years when we are full into a Brave New World.
I agree. But in the USA. Democrats and their mentality are more prone to deception.

The Government and media can make them do just about anything.

The republicans question them all.

If you are hearing things from democrats......It's what they are told.

If you are hearing things from republicans.......It's what they think.
 

Squigglylines

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Yeah, It seems we agree. BUT......What veto from Trump are you speaking of? I have not seen any.

Any bill passed by Congress can be vetoed. An example at the moment might be birthright citizenship in the 14'th amendment. POTUS has issued an EO, it was blocked by judges, when it reaches SCOTUS it will be either upheld or not and the only way to overturn SCOTUS is by 2/3 vote of Congress. https://www.colorado.edu/today/2024/07/30/can-congress-overturn-supreme-court-rulings
 

ZNP

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So then, why are you supporting this presidency if that is their end goal?
You don't get it do you, they are pawns, God is the one who is in charge and Jesus is the one on the throne. Nothing happens without Him allowing it. Not your vote, not my vote.

We have come to the end of the age and that I do support. During this age people have been given an opportunity to confess, repent and receive Jesus Christ as savior. But the age of grace has a time limit and we have come to the point where they will say pencils down, time is up.
 

ZNP

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Elon is not going to that.

But, who follows the government and thinks Government is the final answer?.......DEMOCRATS.

Government.......Hey, we will jab you for your safety.
80-90% of democrats~~~ That didn't hurt that much. Can I have some ice cream?

80-90% of republicans~~~~Wait. I don't know about this.

Democrats are the folks who will be deceived.
Elon Musk is the forerunner of the antichrist, he is making his paths straight.
 

ZNP

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Any bill passed by Congress can be vetoed. An example at the moment might be birthright citizenship in the 14'th amendment. POTUS has issued an EO, it was blocked by judges, when it reaches SCOTUS it will be either upheld or not and the only way to overturn SCOTUS is by 2/3 vote of Congress. https://www.colorado.edu/today/2024/07/30/can-congress-overturn-supreme-court-rulings
There is no provision at all in the constitution that a law that was signed into law by the President of the US can then later be vetoed by a later president. Such a provision would cause complete chaos.
 

Kroogz

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Elon Musk is the forerunner of the antichrist, he is making his paths straight.
Well, If I were a democrat I would be inclined to believe that. Since I am not, It's an option, but I think it is going to be closer to something the elect might even be deceived with.
 

Kroogz

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Elon Musk is the forerunner of the antichrist, he is making his paths straight.
One more note. I am more scared for you. If you think you have it all "locked and loaded" .........It would be pretty easy to sneak in and catch you off guard with something subtle.

Not saying you are wrong.......Just be careful with the "I am right."
 

ResidentAlien

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There's nothing standing in the Donald's way. Sure, judges have temporarily ordered him to stop much of what he's doing; but if he refuses to comply, it's up to the US Marshalls to take him or Leon into custody. But guess what, the US Marshall Service is part of the DOJ which answers to Trump. If anyone thinks at this point that a dictatorship isn't possible they're crazy. All I can say is pray.

"We're gonna fix it so good you'll never have to vote again."
 

ResidentAlien

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I found out there's a federal law that says the US Marshals are obligated to enforce court orders; Trump would have no say in it. I was very glad to learn this and I imagine this is where it is headed. He's already been warned by a federal judge in Rhode Island that he's in contempt of court if he doesn't comply. He could be charged civilly or criminally. If criminally, the US Marshals would take him into custody. It's not clear to me whether Donald or Leon would be charged, or both.

28 U.S. Code § 566 - Powers and duties: (a) It is the primary role and mission of the United States Marshals Service to provide for the security and to obey, execute, and enforce all orders of the United States District Courts, the United States Courts of Appeals, the Court of International Trade, and the United States Tax Court, as provided by law.​

28 U.S. Code § 566 - Powers and duties | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

 

Dude653

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What I really wanna know is, when Elon Musk wants to put a chip in your head to make you a cyborg will let him?
Notice how the same ones Who have been screaming about how AI tech is "satanic", but it suddenly becomes okay because he's working for the great orange one.
Cognitive dissonance much?
 

Tamarisk

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I found out there's a federal law that says the US Marshals are obligated to enforce court orders; Trump would have no say in it. I was very glad to learn this and I imagine this is where it is headed. He's already been warned by a federal judge in Rhode Island that he's in contempt of court if he doesn't comply. He could be charged civilly or criminally. If criminally, the US Marshals would take him into custody. It's not clear to me whether Donald or Leon would be charged, or both.

28 U.S. Code § 566 - Powers and duties: (a) It is the primary role and mission of the United States Marshals Service to provide for the security and to obey, execute, and enforce all orders of the United States District Courts, the United States Courts of Appeals, the Court of International Trade, and the United States Tax Court, as provided by law.​

28 U.S. Code § 566 - Powers and duties | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

The major concern is that this administration believes that the executive branch does not have to follow the orders of the court. Ths US marshals are under Bondi, and she will tell them to stand down. So I guess we’ll see.
 

PennEd

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So let me see if I understand this correctly. You’re telling me your position is that because Biden did something that was unconstitutional,
Yes!
Trump gets to do something that’s unconstitutional?
Very likely it’s constitutional , but TBD eventually by the Supreme Court.

Let’s see if I can splain it to ya.

The president submits the budget proposal to Congress early for the next year.

Congress votes on and either passes, rejects, or amends the budget.

Biden spent money that Congress DID NOT AUTHORIZE.

President Trump DOESNT want to spend money that has been authorized.
See the difference?

The first, Is unequivocally unconstitutional.

The second, is almost surely not.
 

ResidentAlien

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The major concern is that this administration believes that the executive branch does not have to follow the orders of the court. Ths US marshals are under Bondi, and she will tell them to stand down. So I guess we’ll see.
That's possible, but if she does she'll just be creating problems for herself. If she forbids the US Marshals from doing their legal obligation, it won't look good for her at all; it'll be like throwing gas on the fire. She's inexperienced enough she might just bow to Trumps orders; and no one ever accused Donald Trump of being that smart.

I really don't think anything will happen to the Donald anyway. If anyone gets locked up it'll be Leon.
 

Tamarisk

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Yes!

Very likely it’s constitutional , but TBD eventually by the Supreme Court.

Let’s see if I can splain it to ya.

The president submits the budget proposal to Congress early for the next year.

Congress votes on and either passes, rejects, or amends the budget.

Biden spent money that Congress DID NOT AUTHORIZE.

President Trump DOESNT want to spend money that has been authorized.
See the difference?

The first, Is unequivocally unconstitutional.

The second, is almost surely not.
The problem is is that this administration does not believe that the executive branch needs to follow court orders and is currently in violation of court orders.

Pam Bondi will most likely tell the US marshals to stand down.

We have never been here as Americans. No other administration has done this.