Becomes Trump a dictator?

[Squigglylines]

Thank you and very good to know.

I just think Leon and some computer geeks having access to private data and then Leon having a direct ear, unchallenged to Drump who does not seem to know the border between the USA and Canada is the 49th parallel is a problem.

Musk makes me uncomfortable also but if you think it through he's actually only an employee working for Trump because Trump himself could go into any of the same places himself with no problem legally. If then Musk is only an employee employed by Trump then it's similar to Trump building a skyscraper though he only actually took a pair of scissors and cut a ribbon and watched his employees do the actual work. Now if something goes bad that pertains to the skyscraper the owner/boss is held responsible for the loss/crime. If Musk does something irresponsible,criminal ect. he works for Trump and so Trump as his employer is responsible for the actions of his employees.

 

[Intersection]

Musk makes me uncomfortable also but if you think it through he's actually only an employee working for Trump because Trump himself could go into any of the same places himself with no problem legally. If then Musk is only an employee employed by Trump then it's similar to Trump building a skyscraper though he only actually took a pair of scissors and cut a ribbon and watched his employees do the actual work. Now if something goes bad that pertains to the skyscraper the owner/boss is held responsible for the loss/crime. If Musk does something irresponsible,criminal ect. he works for Trump and so Trump as his employer is responsible for the actions of his employees.

I believe Donald Trump works for Elon Musk who is the shadow President.

 

[HeIsHere]

Musk makes me uncomfortable also but if you think it through he's actually only an employee working for Trump because Trump himself could go into any of the same places himself with no problem legally. If then Musk is only an employee employed by Trump then it's similar to Trump building a skyscraper though he only actually took a pair of scissors and cut a ribbon and watched his employees do the actual work. Now if something goes bad that pertains to the skyscraper the owner/boss is held responsible for the loss/crime. If Musk does something irresponsible,criminal etc. he works for Trump and so Trump as his employer is responsible for the actions of his employees.

Yes that is a good point.

 

[HeIsHere]

I believe Donald Trump works for Elon Musk who is the shadow President.

I think this is true in the sense that Musk gave a lot of backing to help Trump win the election.
Two narcissists, they probably each view the other as subservient.

 

[PennEd]

Yes a sycophant. I keep watching the argument over USAID but not saying much about it. I was waiting for someone to point out that HR1486 was passed during the 105th congress with a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate and signed into law by Clinton in 1998. JFK first began USAID by EO in 1961 but it became law during the 105th US Congress in1998 by Congressional approval.

Not sure what point you're trying to make.

Foreign aid to destitute, hungry, needy nations is a noble cause. The stated INTENT when the law was passed.
But there's no oversight to the fraud, waste and abuse, or those supposedly in charge of oversight are corrupt criminals themselves. And therefore, it is far better to close it and let the State department delivery those services.

You actually approve of what they are spending OUR money on now?

 

[Intersection]

Here is the mentality of millions of people who support Donald Trump. Let's put an end to the fraud done because of enabling so-called money into existence out of thin air and instead enable more so-called money into existence out of thin air to combat all the fraud done by the already so-called money into existence out of thin air.

 

[Squigglylines]

Not sure what point you're trying to make.

Foreign aid to destitute, hungry, needy nations is a noble cause. The stated INTENT when the law was passed.
But there's no oversight to the fraud, waste and abuse, or those supposedly in charge of oversight are corrupt criminals themselves. And therefore, it is far better to close it and let the State department delivery those services.

You actually approve of what they are spending OUR money on now?

No I don't actually and I apologize for the time it took for me to respond but I wanted to listen to that interview again where they ask about what Rand Paul stated about Congress which is at about the twenty minute point but Trump himself states that he wasn't sure but if Congress does need to give it's approval he would be fine with that. The news stations are only playing parts of the interview but if this is the entire video(?) it would maybe help with some of the questions many are discussing. But no I don't have any problem with POTUS,Congress or whoever is responsible for keeping track of our tax money doing just that.

 

[Squigglylines]

I believe Donald Trump works for Elon Musk who is the shadow President.

At the 14:00 or so point in the video Trump states "we would not,ect." when speaking of Musk investigating things that may be a conflict of interest is why I see Musk as an employee employed by Trump.

 

[ResidentAlien]

But no I don't have any problem with POTUS,Congress or whoever is responsible for keeping track of our tax money doing just that.

Congress.

 

[ZNP]

Congress.

No, you are mistaken. Every single government agency and branch of government that is funded by tax payer dollars has a fiduciary responsibility to make sure those dollars are not wasted.

The Federal Government has a fundamental responsibility to be effective stewards of the taxpayers' money. We must be responsible with money that comes in to the government, money that is spent, and money that is used in running the government itself. Decision makers and the public must have confidence in financial management in order to make informed decisions about managing government programs and implementing policy.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/omb/financial_default

 

[Squigglylines]

Congress.

It's not that I disagree but at the 20 minute point in the video Trump answers he didn't know about congressional approval being needed or not. Seems to me both Democrats and Republicans should have formed a team to look for waste and abuse years ago and hired people from both sides to do it but then don't we already call that Congress?

 

[ZNP]

It's not that I disagree but at the 20 minute point in the video Trump answers he didn't know about congressional approval being needed or not. Seems to me both Democrats and Republicans should have formed a team to look for waste and abuse years ago and hired people from both sides to do it but then don't we already call that Congress?

It should have been congress, but that doesn't mean we don't have a contingency plan. Everyone receiving tax dollars for their job has a fiduciary responsibility to see that there is no waste or fraud. Anyone can blow the whistle and without a doubt the President has the authority to audit agencies run by the executive branch. The fact that congress should have done this years ago does not mean that only they can perform an audit.

In the Bible the nazarite vow was a contingency plan in the event the priesthood becomes corrupt as it did during Eli and his two sons.

 

[Squigglylines]

It should have been congress, but that doesn't mean we don't have a contingency plan. Everyone receiving tax dollars for their job has a fiduciary responsibility to see that there is no waste or fraud. Anyone can blow the whistle and without a doubt the President has the authority to audit agencies run by the executive branch. The fact that congress should have done this years ago does not mean that only they can perform an audit.

In the Bible the nazarite vow was a contingency plan in the event the priesthood becomes corrupt as it did during Eli and his two sons.

Digging into past and current payment schedules of a government such as the US may turn up all sorts of things requiring Q clearance. It might even be discovered that an terrorist was always never actually a terrorist and the information was left blank as a safety measure by the alphabet agencies. Sort of like the saying follow the money but where one might find it difficult to un-know things once there found out.

 

[ZNP]

Digging into past and current payment schedules of a government such as the US may turn up all sorts of things requiring Q clearance. It might even be discovered that an terrorist was always never actually a terrorist and the information was left blank as a safety measure by the alphabet agencies. Sort of like the saying follow the money but where one might find it difficult to un-know things once there found out.

When we get to the point that the things the Treasury department and USAID are paying money for are too secret for the president to know about, well then it is time to shut that down.

At this point we are trying to shut down billions of dollars in fraud and waste. We aren't talking about a 10k payment or 100k payment for a bunch of spies.

 

[ZNP]

I think they left off who the money is being paid to because it is always best to be honest with people.

By honest I mean in the sense that those payments were made in the past, the bureaucrats obviously do not want to talk about that money and they would really rather focus on things that make them look good.

Now we know that the US has funded crimes against humanity and in cases like that it is always better not to leave a paper trail.

People always want to know the details, was it a genocide? How many were killed? Was it 15,000? 20,000? But lets be realistic, the people writing checks weren't killing people, they were simply paying for that, and if you are going to judge the bureaucrats for that you should know they got a very good return for the money spent.

Personally I'm sure that those writing these checks for fraud, abuse and crimes against humanity did try at one stage to stop what was happening but then in the long term simply decided it was easier to just go along with it.

So what is "crimes against humanity"? It is a broad term. It could be murders, kidnappings, torture, massacres, extermination, human experimentation including bioweapons, unjust imprisonment, slavery and cannibalism.

So I think most of those in congress have all agreed, this will not be a problem.

[This was a complete rip off of the following comedy sketch, it was supposed to be funny]

 

[Squigglylines]

When we get to the point that the things the Treasury department and USAID are paying money for are too secret for the president to know about, well then it is time to shut that down.

At this point we are trying to shut down billions of dollars in fraud and waste. We aren't talking about a 10k payment or 100k payment for a bunch of spies.

I know. Take Musk for instance with a top secret security clearance because of Space X he can see what he can see. On the other hand it depends on who POTUS is for example Bush sr. had a much different clearance than Trump because of a certain job title prior to his political career and so he knew what to ask to see with certain things. It's not like they will refuse Trump if he ask for access to something it's that if he doesn't know what it's called because he doesn't know it exist he cant ask for it. Dumbest thing to do is to show up if invited to a SCIF because you'll figure out then that you were invited there to keep you from being able to talk about it.

 

[ZNP]

I know. Take Musk for instance with a top secret security clearance because of Space X he can see what he can see. On the other hand it depends on who POTUS is for example Bush sr. had a much different clearance than Trump because of a certain job title prior to his political career and so he knew what to ask to see with certain things. It's not like they will refuse Trump if he ask for access to something it's that if he doesn't know what it's called because he doesn't know it exist he cant ask for it. Dumbest thing to do is to show up if invited to a SCIF because you'll figure out then that you were invited there to keep you from being able to talk about it.

That is why he needs advisors he can trust to guide him through the bureaucratic maze.

 

[Squigglylines]

I think they left off who the money is being paid to because it is always best to be honest with people.

By honest I mean in the sense that those payments were made in the past, the bureaucrats obviously do not want to talk about that money and they would really rather focus on things that make them look good.

Now we know that the US has funded crimes against humanity and in cases like that it is always better not to leave a paper trail.

People always want to know the details, was it a genocide? How many were killed? Was it 15,000? 20,000? But lets be realistic, the people writing checks weren't killing people, they were simply paying for that, and if you are going to judge the bureaucrats for that you should know they got a very good return for the money spent.

Personally I'm sure that those writing these checks for fraud, abuse and crimes against humanity did try at one stage to stop what was happening but then in the long term simply decided it was easier to just go along with it.

So what is "crimes against humanity"? It is a broad term. It could be murders, kidnappings, torture, massacres, extermination, human experimentation including bioweapons, unjust imprisonment, slavery and cannibalism.

So I think most of those in congress have all agreed, this will not be a problem.

[This was a complete rip off of the following comedy sketch, it was supposed to be funny]

It reminds me of the Joe Rogan/Musk podcast where he discussed his use of Marijuana,mushrooms and a list of others which was a huge issue when he applied for his security clearance.

 

[ZNP]

It reminds me of the Joe Rogan/Musk podcast where he discussed his use of Marijuana,mushrooms and a list of others which was a huge issue when he applied for his security clearance.

Yep, it is amazing what is not a problem for Billionaires but would keep the rest of us from getting that 40k a year job.

 

[Squigglylines]

That is why he needs advisors he can trust to guide him through the bureaucratic maze.

Just an abstract sort of question but if neither Trump nor Musk were the focus of the topic how many of the other members of DOGE staff already had security clearance to view the material their looking through? Just an abstract question though because assembling an staff of members and getting them the level of security clearance to preform these task surely takes more than twenty-two or twenty-three days if you begin from January 20th. Which would mean that they had all been vetted and obtained their clearance level prior to this current point in time and that what they are looking for is not at random at all as if they were looking for just whatever they might find.