Becomes Trump a dictator?

[ZNP]

Just an abstract sort of question but if neither Trump nor Musk were the focus of the topic how many of the other members of DOGE staff already had security clearance to view the material their looking through? Just an abstract question though because assembling an staff of members and getting them the level of security clearance to preform these task surely takes more than twenty-two or twenty-three days if you begin from January 20th. Which would mean that they had all been vetted and obtained their clearance level prior to this current point in time and that what they are looking for is not at random at all as if they were looking for just whatever they might find.

If they need to see classified information they have people whose job it is to vet them.

Personally I think the people making a big stink over this are those who are afraid of having their crimes uncovered. I don't believe the allegations that there is anything unconstitutional about DOGE nor do I think it is violating Americans privacy. But I am more than happy to have a judge and court decide.

Even though I have no proof one way or the other, my feeling is when a liar and thief is about to be exposed they will often protest vehemently.

 

[Squigglylines]

If they need to see classified information they have people whose job it is to vet them.

Personally I think the people making a big stink over this are those who are afraid of having their crimes uncovered. I don't believe the allegations that there is anything unconstitutional about DOGE nor do I think it is violating Americans privacy. But I am more than happy to have a judge and court decide.

Even though I have no proof one way or the other, my feeling is when a liar and thief is about to be exposed they will often protest vehemently.

Which was my point actually that it takes from several months to a year be vetted for a security clearance in the US depending on a persons background. Without sharing too much information I no longer have my security clearance but have been vetted mine own self which is why I thought it odd for the members of DOGE to be vetted in such a short period of time. I just noticed no one was mentioning the other members of DOGE because they also would need clearance. It's a little funny if you think about it when the Democratic Congress persons went to the same offices as DOGE they were denied access and spoke out because they could not enter yet DOGE members were allowed.

 

[ZNP]

Which was my point actually that it takes from several months to a year be vetted for a security clearance in the US depending on a persons background. Without sharing too much information I no longer have my security clearance but have been vetted mine own self which is why I thought it odd for the members of DOGE to be vetted in such a short period of time. I just noticed no one was mentioning the other members of DOGE because they also would need clearance. It's a little funny if you think about it when the Democratic Congress persons went to the same offices as DOGE they were denied access and spoke out because they could not enter yet DOGE members were allowed.

Musk operates Starlink, they probably have security clearance there and ever since September they have been talking about this so it is very likely if these guys needed further vetting it began in November.

 

[Squigglylines]

Musk operates Starlink, they probably have security clearance there and ever since September they have been talking about this so it is very likely if these guys needed further vetting it began in November.

Well I would imagine people like Brad Smith,Amanda Scales,Thomas Shedd,Christopher Stanley,Rachel Riley,Nikhil Rajpil,Justin Monroe,Katie miller,Tom Krause,Cole Killian,Stephanie Holmes,Luke Farritor,Marko Elez,Gavin Kliger, Steve Davis,Edward Coristine,Akash Bobba,Brian BJelde,Nate Cavanaugh,Anthony Armstrong and the many other staff members of DOGE did not gain their clearance last November. Michael Russo himself is an 67 year old man whose security clearance would be from years back.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I believe Donald Trump works for Elon Musk who is the shadow President.

Theoretically and on paper Musk works for Trump; however, in reality I agree: Musk is running the show and the Donald is just along for the ride. An unelected private citizen controls the federal government. Now who's the deep state?

 

[Intersection]

Theoretically and on paper Musk works for Trump; however, in reality I agree: Musk is running the show and the Donald is just along for the ride. An unelected private citizen controls the federal government. Now who's the deep state?

I don't think it will take long for those who disagree to figure it out. The real question is, will they still support the Elon Musk Donald Trump?

 

[HeIsHere]

I believe Donald Trump works for Elon Musk who is the shadow President.

I heard someone make the analogy of Darth Vader (Musk) and the Emperor (DT) in terms of the power structure, seems fitting.

 

[HeIsHere]

No I don't actually and I apologize for the time it took for me to respond but I wanted to listen to that interview again where they ask about what Rand Paul stated about Congress which is at about the twenty minute point but Trump himself states that he wasn't sure but if Congress does need to give it's approval he would be fine with that. The news stations are only playing parts of the interview but if this is the entire video(?) it would maybe help with some of the questions many are discussing. But no I don't have any problem with POTUS,Congress or whoever is responsible for keeping track of our tax money doing just that.

I just want to say Musk with his son on his shoulders, who I learned is called X ... was all very strange.

 

[Squigglylines]

I just want to say Musk with his son on his shoulders, who I learned is called X ... was all very strange.

Children make people who are being demonized look just like one of the guy's so are great for PR. It makes you wonder if it was just the way things all worked out or was planned right? Children don't do things as planned at times though. If you notice at around the 18:50 point in the video he gets instructions from someone off camera and backs up,stops picking his nose and gives them a look like what and wrinkles his forehead then moves back over to daddy.

 

[Tamarisk]

Just an abstract sort of question but if neither Trump nor Musk were the focus of the topic how many of the other members of DOGE staff already had security clearance to view the material their looking through? Just an abstract question though because assembling an staff of members and getting them the level of security clearance to preform these task surely takes more than twenty-two or twenty-three days if you begin from January 20th. Which would mean that they had all been vetted and obtained their clearance level prior to this current point in time and that what they are looking for is not at random at all as if they were looking for just whatever they might find.

It seems like that’s part of the issue. At this point it’s unknown if musk or his staffers have proper security clearance to be doing what they’re doing.

 

[HeIsHere]

Children make people who are being demonized look just like one of the guy's so are great for PR.

Ahh yes, great point.
Now why did I not think of that, lol, makes so much sense.

 

[Tamarisk]

Children make people who are being demonized look just like one of the guy's so are great for PR. It makes you wonder if it was just the way things all worked out or was planned right? Children don't do things as planned at times though. If you notice at around the 18:50 point in the video he gets instructions from someone off camera and backs up,stops picking his nose and gives them a look like what and wrinkles his forehead then moves back over to daddy.

Lil X also said “ ‘You are not the president, you need to go away’ and “ shut your mouth”
Directly to Trump.

Kids just don’t say those things to people unless they have seen other people also say those things to people. Chances are he saw someone close to him say that to Trump and is just copying them.

 

[ZNP]

It seems like that’s part of the issue. At this point it’s unknown if musk or his staffers have proper security clearance to be doing what they’re doing.

What seems weird to me is that no one seemed to ever worry about people in the government having proper security clearance before. I remember a few years ago seeing some very weird trans people and woke people in the Whitehouse working as staffers, no one expressed any concern that they might not have the proper security clearance. Hunter Biden was known to be on drugs and to fly with the President to China and other places and no one seemed to worry if he had the proper security clearance.

FTX laundered a hundred billion dollars that was tax dollars sent to Ukraine back to political campaigns in the US. We are learning that a hundred billion dollars of Social Security is being paid to people who aren't citizens or who are dead. We are learning we have a similar scale of fraud in Medicare. We are learning about all kinds of fraud and abuse in USAID. And now the response is "do the people in DOGE have the proper security clearance" to expose these crimes?

Just seems weird to me that this is the response.

 

[Tamarisk]

What seems weird to me is that no one seemed to ever worry about people in the government having proper security clearance before. I remember a few years ago seeing some very weird trans people and woke people in the Whitehouse working as staffers, no one expressed any concern that they might not have the proper security clearance. Hunter Biden was known to be on drugs and to fly with the President to China and other places and no one seemed to worry if he had the proper security clearance.

FTX laundered a hundred billion dollars that was tax dollars sent to Ukraine back to political campaigns in the US. We are learning that a hundred billion dollars of Social Security is being paid to people who aren't citizens or who are dead. We are learning we have a similar scale of fraud in Medicare. We are learning about all kinds of fraud and abuse in USAID. And now the response is "do the people in DOGE have the proper security clearance" to expose these crimes?

Just seems weird to me that this is the response.

Did you know the names of the people that you were suspicious of?

Just because someone is different from us, doesn’t make them suspicious. It’s the activity and what they do.

The richest man in the world that wants to put computer chips in all our heads and turn us into cyborgs, going into government agencies with coders in their teens and early 20s hooking their computers up to government computers. Shutting down agencies that are investigating his companies.

Is way more suspicious than a nameless trans or woke person. That has given you no reason of suspicion other than the fact that you just don’t particularly like those type of people.

 

[Squigglylines]

It seems like that’s part of the issue. At this point it’s unknown if musk or his staffers have proper security clearance to be doing what they’re doing.

Two other names I did not mention as members of DOGE are Keenam Kmiec a member of the EO of the POTUS,clerk on the US Supreme Court for chief justice John Roberts and James Burnham the general counsel at DOGE who worked for the supreme court justice Neil Gorsuch. It would be odd if these people did not have a security clearance if we consider who they actually are.

 

[Squigglylines]

I think we will find that they all do have security clearance at a level high enough to access the information they are seeking along with additional legal counsel who also have high levels of clearance. My point in bringing it up was not to question it but rather to point out that they actually do have it and were vetted longer than many have realized,

 

[ResidentAlien]

Now Tesla is getting a $400 million dollar contract with the State Dept. for armored Tesla vehicles. What an absolute joke.

 

[ZNP]

Did you know the names of the people that you were suspicious of?

Just because someone is different from us, doesn’t make them suspicious. It’s the activity and what they do.

The richest man in the world that wants to put computer chips in all our heads and turn us into cyborgs, going into government agencies with coders in their teens and early 20s hooking their computers up to government computers. Shutting down agencies that are investigating his companies.

Is way more suspicious than a nameless trans or woke person. That has given you no reason of suspicion other than the fact that you just don’t particularly like those type of people.

Anyone who has vetted people for security clearance knows that their personal relationships are critical. Do they do things that open them up to blackmail? Do they visit bars and pick up people they then sleep with? If either is true they are a security risk.

So yes, anyone who is telegraphing that this might be their case has given me reason to be suspicious.

Likewise Hunter Biden using drugs, that is a major red flag. He is dealing with criminals, he is opening himself up to blackmail. People who do drugs do foolish things. They lie on applications to buy a gun. They get paranoid, put all the incriminating evidence on a computer and then forget they gave it to a repair man.

Likewise, the CEO of FTX is a convicted felon, convicted for money laundering and giving money to political campaigns. That makes all those who took the money from him suspect.

So, sorry Tamarisk you have no clue about vetting people for security and yet you are making a whole lot of noise about it.

 

[Kroogz]

Now Tesla is getting a $400 million dollar contract with the State Dept. for armored Tesla vehicles. What an absolute joke.

Link to this? That's pretty bold if this is true and not done before the Trump admin.

But imagine if the Dems were still in control! It would cost us 44 trillion just for the research for the contract and another 144 trillion for 2 vehicles.

 

[ZNP]

I think we will find that they all do have security clearance at a level high enough to access the information they are seeking along with additional legal counsel who also have high levels of clearance. My point in bringing it up was not to question it but rather to point out that they actually do have it and were vetted longer than many have realized,

I agree. If people at very high positions in the government are now taking issue with DOGE and questioning security clearances they definitely would be pointing out anyone who did not have the security clearance to do the job they were doing.