Becomes Trump a dictator?

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ZNP

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A den of thieves

Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

DOGE is revealing that the US government has become a den of thieves
 

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No one is turning to Jesus, the judgement that is coming on the US is from Jesus. Yes, they are casting out demons, but if you don't replace that with the Holy Spirit you have created a vacuum and it will be filled with a seven fold worse demonic possession.

They are creating vacuums by casting out incompetent and criminal practices like theft and lack of basic accounting methods, and replacing them with just the opposite so there can be audits and reconciliations?

You think mitigating and stopping theft is not holy?
 

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They are creating vacuums by casting out incompetent and criminal practices like theft and lack of basic accounting methods, and replacing them with just the opposite so there can be audits and reconciliations?

You think mitigating and stopping theft is not holy?
What I think is that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Jesus Christ, the incarnated word of God.

What I think is if you remove evil people who are involved in bribery, corruption and treason you can't replace them with better laws, that is foolish. They are going to come back with seven more evil spirits. The reason for all this corruption is because the globalists have money and for every American they have 20 people.

What I think is that man has been making the same mistake over and over again since Cain slew Able. You cannot have a righteous government when it is composed of unrepentant sinners who are not listening to the word of God.

What I think is that casting out criminals is treating the symptoms, not the disease. There is nothing wrong with treating symptoms, but if you don't treat the disease you don't solve the problem.
 

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What I think is that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Jesus Christ, the incarnated word of God.

What I think is if you remove evil people who are involved in bribery, corruption and treason you can't replace them with better laws, that is foolish. They are going to come back with seven more evil spirits. The reason for all this corruption is because the globalists have money and for every American they have 20 people.

What I think is that man has been making the same mistake over and over again since Cain slew Able. You cannot have a righteous government when it is composed of unrepentant sinners who are not listening to the word of God.

What I think is that casting out criminals is treating the symptoms, not the disease. There is nothing wrong with treating symptoms, but if you don't treat the disease you don't solve the problem.

So, you're opposed to the US gov't being run with some quality practices and oversight because it will just get bad again? Do you think that some of the people including Christians that are being placed in important positions is a bad thing and that they will not do their best to serve with integrity the living King of the universe in the positions they have found themselves in?

Of course we're looking forward to His return and righteous rule. And I don't typically look back but I'd prefer that the changes for good being pursued now had happened many decades ago so we could have lived through some lesser amount of theft and corruption than where this has progressed to.

I also get your eschatological views and resultant reasoning about what you and others think you see. Even if it ends next week, I'd still have enjoyed the one week of men and women including Christians working in their positions doing what they knew to be right and taking the criminals out of their positions suited for easy theft.
 

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So, you're opposed to the US gov't being run with some quality practices and oversight because it will just get bad again? Do you think that some of the people including Christians that are being placed in important positions is a bad thing and that they will not do their best to serve with integrity the living King of the universe in the positions they have found themselves in?

Of course we're looking forward to His return and righteous rule. And I don't typically look back but I'd prefer that the changes for good being pursued now had happened many decades ago so we could have lived through some lesser amount of theft and corruption than where this has progressed to.

I also get your eschatological views and resultant reasoning about what you and others think you see. Even if it ends next week, I'd still have enjoyed the one week of men and women including Christians working in their positions doing what they knew to be right and taking the criminals out of their positions suited for easy theft.
The Globalists who are restructuring the economy are not Christians.
 

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So, you're opposed to the US gov't being run with some quality practices and oversight because it will just get bad again? Do you think that some of the people including Christians that are being placed in important positions is a bad thing and that they will not do their best to serve with integrity the living King of the universe in the positions they have found themselves in?

Of course we're looking forward to His return and righteous rule. And I don't typically look back but I'd prefer that the changes for good being pursued now had happened many decades ago so we could have lived through some lesser amount of theft and corruption than where this has progressed to.

I also get your eschatological views and resultant reasoning about what you and others think you see. Even if it ends next week, I'd still have enjoyed the one week of men and women including Christians working in their positions doing what they knew to be right and taking the criminals out of their positions suited for easy theft.
Why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth. A fatal flaw doesn't mean I am against casting demons out of the US government, it means if you don't fill the void with Christ the effort is doomed to fail. Nor am I telling anyone not to enjoy it while it lasts, all I'm saying is this will not last.
 

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In America there are checks and balances. Congress ( The House of Representatives, and the Senate), and the Supreme court have a say about whether "Executive orders" are legal and Constitutional.

America HAS NEVER BEEN, and has no desire to be a "Democracy". In a Democracy, the MINORITY has no voice.

We are a "Constitutional Republic".
Thank you, i got it.
 

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Why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth. A fatal flaw doesn't mean I am against casting demons out of the US government, it means if you don't fill the void with Christ the effort is doomed to fail. Nor am I telling anyone not to enjoy it while it lasts, all I'm saying is this will not last.
I'm simply responding to you as I read you. I don't view this as you do or describe it as you do. Removing demons and filling the void with Christ. What does that mean? Remove unbelievers and insert Christians? Remove immoral unbelievers and insert moral unbelievers or moral Christians? And all Christians are sharp and have integrity that cannot be broken?

Are there no competent unbelievers who have integrity and can do a good job without stealing?

What is it you're getting at - it's all pointless until Christ returns? You do know you read through an eschatological lens that not everyone shares, correct? If you're close or right, so be it. But many would say they've read you many times in history and here we are still.
 

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The Globalists who are restructuring the economy are not Christians.

Who are those globalists now. Are they the same ones who have been working for some time? Are there new ones in the ranks? Getting rid of thieves in the US gov't is restructuring the economy to what? Waste and theft to substantially reduced waste and theft? Crypto or ? to replace the dollar now worth about 3% of its original? New tech that will alter things like new tech did in the last structural revolution albeit this new one will probably be the old one on steroids to say the least? What....?
 

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I'm simply responding to you as I read you. I don't view this as you do or describe it as you do. Removing demons and filling the void with Christ. What does that mean? Remove unbelievers and insert Christians? Remove immoral unbelievers and insert moral unbelievers or moral Christians? And all Christians are sharp and have integrity that cannot be broken?

Are there no competent unbelievers who have integrity and can do a good job without stealing?

What is it you're getting at - it's all pointless until Christ returns? You do know you read through an eschatological lens that not everyone shares, correct? If you're close or right, so be it. But many would say they've read you many times in history and here we are still.
It means the problem is our relationship with Jesus.

Treason is simply a symptom of the fact that we have left Jesus.

The judgement on the US is from the Lord Jesus, if we are not reconciled to Him we have not dealt with the true problem.
 

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Discernment does not mean you can discern between right and wrong, it means you can discern between right and almost right.
 

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Who are those globalists now. Are they the same ones who have been working for some time? Are there new ones in the ranks? Getting rid of thieves in the US gov't is restructuring the economy to what? Waste and theft to substantially reduced waste and theft? Crypto or ? to replace the dollar now worth about 3% of its original? New tech that will alter things like new tech did in the last structural revolution albeit this new one will probably be the old one on steroids to say the least? What....?
 

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Who are those globalists now. Are they the same ones who have been working for some time? Are there new ones in the ranks? Getting rid of thieves in the US gov't is restructuring the economy to what? Waste and theft to substantially reduced waste and theft? Crypto or ? to replace the dollar now worth about 3% of its original? New tech that will alter things like new tech did in the last structural revolution albeit this new one will probably be the old one on steroids to say the least? What....?
 

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Thank you, i got it.
We are a constitutional republic however we function as a representative democracy.

Meaning our politicians are elected by the people in Democratic elections, to represent us as they make decisions for us within the constitutional republic.
 

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I am kinda wondering if this is true anymore. The oligarchs are in charge, isn't that what the constitution is supposed to guard against?
It’s important to remember that the founders of our country were the wealthiest people in the colonies at that time. And we’re in politics to serve their own best interest, however, the best interest of the people, and the best interest of the wealthy were aligned at time.

Our country was under developed and the wealthy developed industries and paved the way for all citizens to follow in their footsteps and develop new industries to help build the foundation of our country.

What’s different now is that these aren’t the richest people in the country. These are the richest people in the world that have conflicting interest with the citizens. As it is in their best interest to see this country fail to make way for BRICS.

Currently our trade policies under Trump are not, allowing us to trade with other countries and those countries are now trading with BRICS

We basically surrendered to Russia. We agreed to their terms without getting anything in return.

It’s beginning to look like this is a hot war between the oligarchs of America and the oligarchs of Russia and other BRICS nations remember that Elon Musk is from South Africa and has strong financial ties to China.

All BRICS nations


Brazil
Russia
India
China
South Africa
New Members (Effective January 1, 2024):
Iran
Egypt
Ethiopia
United Arab Emirates
Saudi Arabia (pending confirmation)


America is under attack.
 

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It means the problem is our relationship with Jesus.

Treason is simply a symptom of the fact that we have left Jesus.

The judgement on the US is from the Lord Jesus, if we are not reconciled to Him we have not dealt with the true problem.

Who is "our" and "we" - the Church - unbelievers - all Americans???

Some say the US is in a reprieve from the Lord Jesus and we have a President the Lord Jesus saved from being assassinated to serve in this reprieve.

Treason is a symptom that the US has left the rule of law and has been less and less willing to exercise capital punishment, so the criminality has taken over. Hopefully this is ending to a fair degree. The nice blond lady with the cross around her neck who heads the DOJ now is reviewing our capital punishment regs and my current understanding is that she is making some changes. The criminals like to tell us the death penalty really isn't a deterrent. I think we should test that again.
 

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Yes and why?
Maybe the "chickens are coming home to roost," so to speak.
Because everyone wants our land.

My theory:

It looks like they’re starting with mass deportation of illegals.

They’re going to be building more facilities in Guantánamo Bay.

https://apnews.com/article/-----51028988d65c451bbf4275924288e953

Once they are done with one group of people, I believe, they will move to another group of people.

The economy is crashing because of their actions. When people get hungry, they will revolt and be labeled as criminals.

They are currently considering sending criminals to other countries to serve their sentences in their facilities.

https://apnews.com/article/rubio-trump-deportations-usaid-f7a62a10b9a5d81582d05a33ff2281a4