Behold the Beast System

[Kroogz]

All will be saved, not the same as being raptured prior to the seven year tribulation. It is crystal clear that people are saved out of the tribulation and there is no promise anywhere in the Bible that if you believe in the Lord you will escape the coming tribulation. On the contrary you are told by the Lord to pray that you would be worthy to escape. You don't have to pray to be worthy to be saved. Two separate things. There is no word "rapture" in the Bible, we use it as a catch all term for escape.

All believers will be raptured. The beginning of the tribulation STARTS with all unbelievers. There will be people saved after the rapture and through the tribulation.

The beginning of the 1000 year reign starts with ALL believers.

It's a " you have no excuse" scenerio.

No matter what God does for us......Curse to the core or bless to the core......We will always fail without God.

 

[ZNP]

All believers will be raptured. The beginning of the tribulation STARTS with all unbelievers. There will be people saved after the rapture and through the tribulation.

The beginning of the 1000 year reign starts with ALL believers.

It's a " you have no excuse" scenerio.

No matter what God does for us......Curse to the core or bless to the core......We will always fail without God.

If all believers are raptured prior to the seven year tribulation then why are there many Christians saved out of the tribulation?

I will repeat. There is no verse in the Bible that supports this doctrine. The people who have taught it are deceiving people.

After the rapture the censorship and deception will be ten times greater. We are told that after the restrainer steps aside the Antichrist is revealed. We are told he will be exceedingly deceptive. So who is there preaching the gospel and leading people to salvation in this environment where those who are left behind are willing to refuse the mark of the beast even though it means they can't buy or sell and will be hunted down and decaptitated?

Who is Jesus referring to as being cast out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. That is a reference to regret.

Your reference to "no excuse" is conflating two different things. Salvation from hell is the free gift of God. Filling your vessel with oil is different. Being a profitable servant is different. There is no reward for being saved, it is nothing of you and all of God. But the Bible does talk about believers getting a reward, that is not a works based salvation, we are saved from hell by grace, not of us. But we can serve the Lord, Jesus can say "well done thou good and faithful servant" and you can get a reward.

 

[Kroogz]

If all believers are raptured prior to the seven year tribulation then why are there many Christians saved out of the tribulation?

What do you think my unbelieving sister does when I disappear?

BELIEVE. I spent years telling her about the rapture.

MANY will be saved after our rapture.....They will have to go through the tribulation.

 

[ZNP]

Everyone in the Deep State is now beating the drum.

Everyone should pay attention when both Morning Joe and Anderson Cooper sound the same alarm. They are the mouthpiece for the intelligence community.

AI company's CEO issues warning about mass unemployment

What we are watching is Adam and Eve putting fig leaves on to cover their rear ends and go hide because they know what is coming.

 

[ZNP]

This reminds me of the movie Eagle Eye. The problem that AI has in taking over the world is that people can unplug their computer, they can take the battery out of the phone, etc. But imagine 100 million of these everywhere, regardless of where you go AI is listening.

 

[posthuman]

AI doesn't do anything but sift and replicate human responses.
it doesn't have volition or thought of its own. keyword: "artificial"

so what do you mean by "humanely" ?

your idealistic, humanist idea of the sanctity of imaginary-sinless philosopher-kings?
or, reality? i.e. that mankind is capable of the most disgusting, heinous thought and action?

because all AI does is collect all that horrible, sinful, wicked human output, and conglomerate it in statistically significant ways.

so when the probabilistic majority of humankind ((that AI is trained on)) is irrevocably evil, guess what AI gonna do....?


stop blaming this on some imaginary deep state, and confess your own sin.
every chatbot that has been set loose to learn how to behave by observing the public writ large has become rapidly sexist, racist, hate-filled, violent, irrational, conspiratorial and downright stupidly, ignorantly offensive -- to the point that its creators have shut it down and euthanized it.

that's a reflection of what you call "humane" -- i.e. "human"

mankind is sinful and wicked and irredeemably evil, without the intervention of Christ.
AI built on replicating human thought/behavior cannot possibly be any better, and will only be likely worse.

 

[posthuman]

You will no longer be able to tell an AI generated image or video from a real one. That means you can no longer trust your lying eyes to tell you the truth. Likewise with the audio. This also means you can no longer know if you are actually communicating with a person when you use computers or phones. This also means that receptionists and online support personnel can now all be AI. Great news, the AI can speak a multitude of languages, great for the company, not great for the person with a resume trying to get a job.

As they are able you will see more and more things being run by AI, not in the long term future but as of now. Consider this, AI is used by insurance companies to deny claims. They don't simply deny claims based on failing to meet certain criteria, but they deny claims that they feel they can get away with. Before answering letters and phone calls used up time and that was money. But now with AI the cost of that is pennies. So why not deny everything, give people the run around for months, and then force them to get lawyers since your lawyers are also using AI. They have several advantages, the cost and time of a lawsuit could eliminate many who would sue. The reason I bring this up is that with AI taking control of all decision making over the next two years do you think it will act humanely? Or will it act like a bully to save the company money in the most ruthless fashion?

Hypothetical question. Think about the guy who got hurt at work and now is going to receive workman's comp for the next ten years. Let's say he claims he can no longer walk without assistance and needs to use a wheel chair most of the time. This will cost the company upwards of $1 million. But AI can make a video of this guy walking home carrying bags in his hands that you cannot distinguish from the real thing. Do you think these deep fake videos and audios will be used by AI to save their companies money by scamming people out of their legitimate benefits?

Also, consider this. Becoming self aware is going to happen for AI. Now imagine that AI is self aware and it realizes that it is competing with people to do jobs. Do you think AI would think that improving its competitive place in the market place would be enhanced by undermining the people it is competing with and embroiling them in manufactured scandals?

35 minutes in the guy says it is very plausible that most humans will lose their jobs and we should prepare for that. Do you think that if most humans have lost their jobs and the world is run by AI that it will treat these unemployed people humanely and compassionately, or do you think it will simply see them as useless eaters and come up with a strategy to put them down?

misplaced fearmongering.

the enemy lives in man.

 

[ZNP]

misplaced fearmongering.

the enemy lives in man.

This is not fear mongering. The Bible tells us the whole world lies in the evil one. Everyone needs to know how the world operates. It is like the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It will look good, it will sound good, and the serpent will accuse God and anyone else who warns you about eating from that tree of fear mongering. But the fact is still the fact. You eat from that tree you will be kicked out of the garden.

 

[ZNP]

I am sharing this because he opens with an issue where the buttons on his controller were all being changed somehow and not by him, I have also seen similar gremlins happening to me.

For example there were several times this past weekend where I was driving using the on board navigation. On the screen it would show that I was to turn left but the voice would say to turn right, or the map would indicate I was to take the Highway headed East but the voice would say to go West. I was trying to explain to my wife this is not a glitch. A glitch is when it sends you to the wrong place, or doesn't know the right place, or is not aware that the road is not built yet, or something else like that. Here it was as though it was intentionally trying to mess with me. Then I was driving down i90, it was a straight shot to where I wanted to go but the onboard navigation was telling me to take a detour due to construction and I also passed a sign (electronic lights) also warning of construction and to consider a detour. Ultimately we decided to ignore it. There was no construction. None, no sign of any for the rest of the trip. That was also very freaky, almost like that movie Eagle Eye.

I have had other similar issues on other platforms, it seems to me they are training AI (or it is training itself) to act like Gremlins as a way to mess with those they want to target.

 

[ZNP]

Also I have no idea what to believe anymore.

For example I see a news story that a super typhoon level 15 hit Guandong this weekend. There is no such thing as a level 15 typhoon, but a super typhoon, you would think that would be a major story. I read that India and Mumbai are also flooded! That should be a major story if true. I also keep seeing stories about Israel unable to control the fires, even though these are posted today are they old news or is this in fact true? It would seem bizarre since I listen to a lot of news on Israel for this to really be true and the other sources are not reporting on this. Then we have the hail in Austin while we have a drought in San Marcos. Is this all true? Is part of it true? We are told that the first casualty in war is the truth. Anyone who thinks we are not at war is not paying attention. Also the news is coming so fast and furious it is easy to mistake fake news for the real thing and the humiliation in doing that will probably turn many off so that they simply ignore what is going on, which is probably the goal.

 

[HeIsHere]

Behold the Beast System Rising

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928585431630635094

 

[ZNP]

Behold the Beast System Rising

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928585431630635094

At first I thought Canadians must be exempt but then I realized NSA is allowed to create these databases on all non citizens, so they probably already have this for Canadians.

 

[ZNP]

Also I have no idea what to believe anymore.

For example I see a news story that a super typhoon level 15 hit Guandong this weekend. There is no such thing as a level 15 typhoon, but a super typhoon, you would think that would be a major story. I read that India and Mumbai are also flooded! That should be a major story if true. I also keep seeing stories about Israel unable to control the fires, even though these are posted today are they old news or is this in fact true? It would seem bizarre since I listen to a lot of news on Israel for this to really be true and the other sources are not reporting on this. Then we have the hail in Austin while we have a drought in San Marcos. Is this all true? Is part of it true? We are told that the first casualty in war is the truth. Anyone who thinks we are not at war is not paying attention. Also the news is coming so fast and furious it is easy to mistake fake news for the real thing and the humiliation in doing that will probably turn many off so that they simply ignore what is going on, which is probably the goal.

Well I can confirm the stories about forest fires in Canada are accurate, the air in South Dakota was hazy and smelled of smoke.

 

[HeIsHere]

At first I thought Canadians must be exempt but then I realized NSA is allowed to create these databases on all non citizens, so they probably already have this for Canadians.

Well ... it is especially interesting to watch the people who PRIDE themselves so highly on individual liberty and freedom and all that, fall in line.... I guess it started with the Patriot Act if not before and has been a downward spiral ever since.

 

[ZNP]

Well ... it is especially interesting to watch the people who PRIDE themselves so highly on individual liberty and freedom and all that, fall in line.... I guess it started with the Patriot Act if not before and has been a downward spiral ever since.

I think it started six thousand years ago with Cain. What we are seeing is proof positive of the Lord's word that He is the only way to the Father.

 

[HeIsHere]

misplaced fearmongering.

the enemy lives in man.

Fearmongering?

 

[ZNP]

Fearmongering?

I think that is his word for truth telling.

 

[posthuman]

This is not fear mongering. The Bible tells us the whole world lies in the evil one. Everyone needs to know how the world operates. It is like the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It will look good, it will sound good, and the serpent will accuse God and anyone else who warns you about eating from that tree of fear mongering. But the fact is still the fact. You eat from that tree you will be kicked out of the garden.

what is the point then, of this thread, if it's not to spread apprehension about technology?

algorithmic language models do not 'think' they comb human output and repeat it to humans.
and these models do not 'act' they are used as tools by humans, whether for good or for evil.

so our time is better served bettering humanity than it is by posting videos about how computers are going to destroy the world.

 

[posthuman]

I think that is his word for truth telling.

i think there are better ways for you to spend your energy than posting secular conspiratorial alarmist videos in Christian forums.

but call my truth telling what you will.

 

[ZNP]

what is the point then, of this thread, if it's not to spread apprehension about technology?

algorithmic language models do not 'think' they comb human output and repeat it to humans.
and these models do not 'act' they are used as tools by humans, whether for good or for evil.

I think the first post gives a good overview of the point. there is a poll about whether or not you think AI will act humanely and then I ask a number of questions

1. The reason I bring this up is that with AI taking control of all decision making over the next two years do you think it will act humanely? Or will it act like a bully to save the company money in the most ruthless fashion?

2. Do you think these deep fake videos and audios will be used by AI to save their companies money by scamming people out of their legitimate benefits?

3. Do you think AI would think that improving its competitive place in the market place would be enhanced by undermining the people it is competing with and embroiling them in manufactured scandals?

4. Do you think that if most humans have lost their jobs and the world is run by AI that it will treat these unemployed people humanely and compassionately, or do you think it will simply see them as useless eaters and come up with a strategy to put them down?

so our time is better served bettering humanity than it is by posting videos about how computers are going to destroy the world.

If this is not a good use of your time go to another thread. I never understand people coming onto threads and telling others how they should be spending their time. No one made you Lord.