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When AI takes control of decision making do you think it will act humanely?

  • No, it will be just like the AI that denies claims for the health insurance companies

    Votes: 9 90.0%
  • Yes, it will be a compassionate and loving AI that brings in a Utopia.

    Votes: 1 10.0%

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ZNP

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i think there are better ways for you to spend your energy than posting secular conspiratorial alarmist videos in Christian forums.

but call my truth telling what you will.
YOu have a strange vocabulary, you call "opinion" truth telling.
 

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what is the point then, of this thread, if it's not to spread apprehension about technology?

algorithmic language models do not 'think' they comb human output and repeat it to humans.
and these models do not 'act' they are used as tools by humans, whether for good or for evil.

so our time is better served bettering humanity than it is by posting videos about how computers are going to destroy the world.
There were at 3 news stories last week that that different AIs disobeyed the directive, coded instructions from their human creators. One of which went in and rewrote code to prevent itself from being shut down.

I find this to be an important thread for Christians to stay on top of, as the AC will certainly use ai for satanic means.

If a demon can be cast into a pig, why couldn’t it inhabit an AI?
 
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In the military we use AI to double down, triple down and so forth what we want to establish as one would classify as propaganda. Pretty much like everybody else is doing.

You don’t even have to be a nerd to realize that AI is no more than algorithms acting like you are coding them. As of now the Russian authorities are quite good at coding this in a way that causes disruption and polarization in the west. Like some of the crazy pro Russian posts on here. I guess those posts are either troll bots or idiots buying into the what the Russian AI is saying.
 
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There were at 3 news stories last week that that different AIs disobeyed the directive, coded instructions from their human creators. One of which went in and rewrote code to prevent itself from being shut down.

I find this to be an important thread for Christians to stay on top of, as the AC will certainly use ai for satanic means.

If a demon can be cast into a pig, why couldn’t it inhabit an AI?
are you really so ignorant to think a pig - which is a living soul created by almighty, omniscient God - is equivalent to a set of if-then-while loops written by a 20yr old human CS college student?

if so - and also if not - do you really think threads like this and their corresponding rubbish RNC sponsored talk radio shows are sufficiently educating you to deal with the topic in an intelligent, informed way?
 
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There were at 3 news stories last week that that different AIs disobeyed the directive, coded instructions from their human creators. One of which went in and rewrote code to prevent itself from being shut down.
This smells strongly like a mix of complete BS and totally falsely represented facts.

Please post links to exactly what 3 things your worldly, alarmist newsfeed deceived you with last week, so they can be properly evaluated.

Your brief recap isn't sufficiently trustworthy IMO.
 
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There were at 3 news stories last week that that different AIs disobeyed the directive, coded instructions from their human creators. One of which went in and rewrote code to prevent itself from being shut down.
and here's why knowledge and wisdom will become increasingly important for us:

people like PennEd will receive garbage emails and hear garbage on their radio and watch garbage YouTube videos from people who received garbage emails and watched garbage YouTube videos, and they will go around repeating them and reposting their garbage videos.

they won't know any better.

Computational algorithms are insanely good and sorting out what kind of lies people like PennEd will swallow, and are able to generate thousands of them per minute. algorithms don't care if something is true. They only care if people like PennEd respond to them, and especially, if people like PennEd and ZNP repost them.

and people like PennEd and ZNP will spread those lies. Ignorantly thinking they are sharing super special secret true info, and many people will believe the lies.

and people will get elected to government based on the lies people like PennEd and ZNP spreads, that algorithms generated specifically for them to be deceived by.

and those people, will do great evil.


the problem here is people, not AI.
naive people, and evil people who take advantage of them with extraordinarily clever tools.

screwdrivers and flashlights are not taking over the world. It's the people who abuse them and are abused by them, that are at issue.
 
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and here's why knowledge and wisdom will become increasingly important for us:

people like PennEd will receive garbage emails and hear garbage on their radio and watch garbage YouTube videos from people who received garbage emails and watched garbage YouTube videos, and they will go around repeating them and reposting their garbage videos.

they won't know any better.

Computational algorithms are insanely good and sorting out what kind of lies people like PennEd will swallow, and are able to generate thousands of them per minute. algorithms don't care if something is true. They only care if people like PennEd respond to them, and especially, if people like PennEd and ZNP repost them.

and people like PennEd and ZNP will spread those lies. Ignorantly thinking they are sharing super special secret true info, and many people will believe the lies.

and people will get elected to government based on the lies people like PennEd and ZNP spreads, that algorithms generated specifically for them to be deceived by.

and those people, will do great evil.


the problem here is people, not AI.
naive people, and evil people who take advantage of them with extraordinarily clever tools.

screwdrivers and flashlights are not taking over the world. It's the people who abuse them and are abused by them, that are at issue.

so what do we do?

my advice is that we ignore all of this worldly political garbage, ignore all of this luddite alarmist garbage, ignore all of this conspiracy garbage, and concentrate ourselves on our daily lives, caring for our families, and on searching scripture and seeking out knowledge of God.

everything else is a distraction designed more and more intelligently to turn us into pawns of the evil one and slaves of money and power.

this is what i meant when i said "misplaced fearmongering"

algorithmic optimization isn't the enemy of the cross. liars and people deceived into spreading lies are.
 

ZNP

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will computer algorithms steal your salvation, yes or no?
Interesting question.

Since I was saved in 1972 before the PC, before the internet, and since I have the promise that no one can snatch me from the Lord's hand, including AI the answer is simple, no.

However, the question is too narrow. Will AI be able to steal anyone's salvation? Right now it is so simple to speak the word of God, I post on this forum every day, and in the last year I have been involved in my ministry witnessing on the street to over 250,000 people. It was easy. However, I suspect things will get much more difficult with AI.

1. I anticipate that Quantum computers will be able to exercise complete control over the internet.

2. I suspect deep fakes will imitate online preachers with false gospels.

3. I know that the mark of the beast will put intense pressure on anyone who is a believer to renounce their faith, and tremendous pressure on those on the fence to stay away from the gospel.

4. I also know that if it is possible all these things will be used to deceive believers, and certainly deceive gospel contacts.

I was impressed with Matthew 12:20, particularly the word "until".

20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

There is a deadline. Right now we can preach freely, we can teach freely, we can shepherd, we can minister. But the day will come when the age of grace comes to an end. We can serve the Lord and witness concerning Him right up until He sends forth judgment unto victory. When the restrainer steps aside then you can be sure the world will be breaking all the bruised reeds and quenching all the smoking flax.
 

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IBM Fires 15,000 Employees as Job Market GETS WORSE


I realized that I did not understand what they meant when these CEOs warned that all entry level white collar jobs will be gone in 1-5 years. They don't mean that it might take five years. Because any CEO in these companies can tell you precisely what the rollout is this year, and what they anticipate for next year, etc. It is like a five day forecast in the weather. They are pretty darn accurate.

No what he is saying is they have categorized white collar jobs, you have lawyers, accountants, doctors, marketing and sales, journalists and writers, computer programmers, computer graphics and CGI, engineers, and scientists. What they are saying is in the first year you will see at least 20% of entry level white collar jobs gone. They have a proposed rollout of these features and they know it begins this year and at most it will take five years.

Also if all entry level jobs for computer programmers are gone this year it doesn't mean that is where it ends. No, they'll offer incentives for early retirement and they will have layoffs. They will use DOGE like auditing to determine which programmers to keep and which to let go each year, so five years from now it will be much more than simply entry level jobs that are gone.
 

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20% Unemployment Is Coming — AI CEO Reveals the Brutal Truth

This video talks about how to navigate the shift.

Young people have to do away with the idea of the traditional career path. If you are in high school forget about going to college and then getting a job, that is virtually a pipe dream at this point.
 

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so what do we do?

my advice is that we ignore all of this worldly political garbage, ignore all of this luddite alarmist garbage, ignore all of this conspiracy garbage, and concentrate ourselves on our daily lives, caring for our families, and on searching scripture and seeking out knowledge of God.

everything else is a distraction designed more and more intelligently to turn us into pawns of the evil one and slaves of money and power.

this is what i meant when i said "misplaced fearmongering"

algorithmic optimization isn't the enemy of the cross. liars and people deceived into spreading lies are.
A lot of ignoring is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Machine learning/deep learning is a real thing whether you want to believe it or not.
 

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20% Unemployment Is Coming — AI CEO Reveals the Brutal Truth

This video talks about how to navigate the shift.

Young people have to do away with the idea of the traditional career path. If you are in high school forget about going to college and then getting a job, that is virtually a pipe dream at this point.
Good video, thanks!

IMO and I'm not geared up yet, he's hitting some very good points; AI is not a search engine so get geared up and realize what it really is and how to really use it; learn about creating value - which is a very Biblical concept that's not as clear as it should be due to translations:

NKJ Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

CJB Romans 1:28 In other words, since they have not considered God worth knowing, God has given them up to worthless ways of thinking; so that they do improper things.

Most literally this is saying they saw no value in having God in knowledge that is to be used, so God handed them over to a mind of no value (a worthless mind).

What we value is a big deal in the Word. It's interesting we're going into an age where people may have to begin considering the concept of what's truly valuable. God is always at work in interesting ways.
 

ZNP

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55% of college graduates are unemployed


China’s Unemployment Hit 50 Tens of thousands of people compete for one job Street stall economy?
 
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so what do we do?

my advice is that we ignore all of this worldly political garbage, ignore all of this luddite alarmist garbage, ignore all of this conspiracy garbage, and concentrate ourselves on our daily lives, caring for our families, and on searching scripture and seeking out knowledge of God.

everything else is a distraction designed more and more intelligently to turn us into pawns of the evil one and slaves of money and power.

this is what i meant when i said "misplaced fearmongering"

algorithmic optimization isn't the enemy of the cross. liars and people deceived into spreading lies are.
Thought about a much more lengthy reply, but honestly what’s the point.

You say to ignore as you don’t ignore. Think about just that one hypocrisy.

You vote democrat. How utterly deceived a confessing Christian is to vote for the satanic agenda of democrats, just how much less discernment must a person have to not see the exponential danger ai poses, and how the AC will use that technology.

So yeah, you should probably just ignite and remain ignorant.
 

ZNP

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Matthew 24:43 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

This word for goodman of the house is a single greek word and it is used almost exclusively in Matthew to refer to God or to Jesus (Matthew 10:25, Matthew 13:27, Matthew 20:1, Matthew 21:33). However, there is one exception:

Matthew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, G3617 which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

The point is that Jesus is the Goodman of the house who can keep the thief from breaking into His house, but He needs the believers to pray, to bring the issues to His attention. Those who are instructed in the kingdom of heaven, in spiritual warfare, that know the word of God, these are in the image and likeness of Jesus Christ. They will alert the Lord.

Meanwhile Satan will act like a spider whose venom paralyzes those that are bitten into inaction. He will act like a parasite whose venom is like a lullabye singing the immune system to sleep and just ignore the thief. And he is like a serpent whose venom will cause death.

Luke 13:25 When once the master of the house G3617 is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

This is a rapture reference. The rapture is how Jesus prevents His house from being broken into. This is a two edged sword. Jesus protects His house this way and each believer protects his house by being in the word of God, instructed in the word of God, listening to the Lord's voice and being faithful to that word, just as the Scribe instructed in the word is "like the goodman of the house". They are transformed into the image and likeness of the Lord.
 

ZNP

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A lot of ignoring is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Machine learning/deep learning is a real thing whether you want to believe it or not.
Proverbs 27:12 A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are punished.