Beware of the latest, greatest dangerous drugs in your neighborhood

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kennethcadwell

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Or buy them at a convenience store. They're sold as "potpourri" and "bath salts" in most states. They're still deadly drugs. I had a vet client not long ago that had complete loss of touch with reality using K2. Thought he was living in 1996, that it was Christmas (in July), and that he was a lawyer -- he hasn't had a job since he got out of the Army. Those drugs are bad stuff.

Yes they could purchase these over the counter and K2 is responsible for causing seizures and deaths in a number of people, but with that being said yes they are behind the times and can't keep up because we have already out in the streets K4 and K5.
By the time our system gets caught up to the drugs that came out 5 or more years ago, they have already made a new version of the drug/s.

I do have one question though for you as I am not a marijuana condoner, but how can you classify a natural seed producing herb (cannabis) to a tobacco product such as cigarettes that are laced with all kinds of chemicals ???

I can understand if the cannabis plant has been tampered with and laced itself, but the standard natural growing herb itself nicknamed "ditch-weed" I can not see. From what I have seen we have way more harmful legal prescription drugs on the market, then what cannabis is.
 
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I do have one question though for you as I am not a marijuana condoner, but how can you classify a natural seed producing herb (cannabis) to a tobacco product such as cigarettes that are laced with all kinds of chemicals ???
Marijuana doesn't need contaminants to be dangerous. Just to give you an overview, I'll post some facts from a paper I wrote -- The Medical and Pyschological Reasons Marijuana Must Remain Illegal in Missouri (© 2014) --for presentation to the Missouri Certification Board's Drug and Alcohol Information Committee.

  1. The genotoxic effects – that is, the harm done to the genetic coding of an individual – of partially oxidized hydrocarbons created by burning either cannabis or tobacco have been widely examined as the likely source of genetic changes that lead to the carcinogenic state (Godschalk,2002). et al in a study examining various DNA abnormalities in lung tissue, 2002). As a result, any medical potential of cannabis is negated by the potential health impacts of using a smoked medicine (Watson, 2000).
  2. Marijuana smoke contains fifty to seventy percent more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke. One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Smokers who engage in long-term moderate use of one to two joints per day, to heavy use of three or more joints per day, suffer from bronchitis, an inflammation of the respiratory tract (Hii, 2008).
  3. Conflicting reports of cell structure effects of cannabinoids are partially explained by the different experimental protocols, cell types, and animals used by investigators. Cannabinoids also suppress normal macromolecular synthesis (that is, replication of DNA, RNA, and protein) as well as reduce the level of histone gene expression. That is the gene that produces the baseline protein of DNA. In general these studies show that cannabinoids are detrimental to the health of an individual (Zimmerman, 1991).
  4. A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby. Over the last ten years, many children of marijuana users have been born with reduced initiative and lessened abilities to concentrate and pursue life goals. Studies also suggest that prenatal use of the drug may result in birth defects, mental abnormalities and increased risk of leukemia in children. Autopsy results on moderate to heavy users of cannabinoids confirm the more drastic changes in cell structure found in non-human studies, and birth defects among children parented by moderate to heavy marijuana users are nearly three times more prevalent than in the general population. (Van Dam, 2008).
  5. Marijuana changes the structure of sperm cells, deforming them. Thus even small amounts of marijuana can cause temporary sterility in men. Marijuana use can upset a woman’s menstrual cycle (Pletcher, 2012)). Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities. This is backed up by earlier research on the long-term effects of marijuana, which indicate changes in the brain similar to those caused by long-term abuse of other major drugs. And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis (Novotny, 2010).
  6. Marijuana and its most active ingredients – tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabinol (CBN), and cannabidiol (CBD) – markedly affect cellular health. Cytogenetic studies have revealed that cannabinoids induce chromosome aberrations, confirmed in both laboratory and animal studies. These aberrations include chromosomal breaks, deletions, translocations, errors in chromosomal segregation, and outright loss of chromosomal material in cellular division. These changes are due to the mutative action of cannabinoids or to cannabinoid-induced disruption of cell-division events or both (Reese, 2008).
I could go on and on, but this information is enough -- or should be -- to convince people of the dangers of marijuana. These are far worse than the side effects of marketed commercial pharmaceuticals, yet advocates and legilsators have given approval to sell this stuff as medicine!

It's insane. No responsible pharmaceutical company would put poison like this int heir bottles and on pharmacy shelves, but they let this stuff get sold out of storefronts by people totally unqualified to make a diagnosis, much less sell a "medication."
 
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I don't condone marijuana use but uhhh..comparing dabs to LSD? NO COMPARISON other than the fact that your brain is under the influence of a drug. The effects of each (even with repeated dosing of dabs) do not cross into each others territories.

Bath salts? They've been around for almost a century. If you are interested in learning more look up Research Chems (there are tons of them).

Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid used for pain (80-100x more potent than morphine). In the ER we dose patients who have pain and are allergic to other opioids with Fentanyl in MICROGRAMS. People usually tend to overdose when using drugs cut with Fentanyl due to its extremely high potency. There was a big scare up in Chicago/Detroit etc in '06 when people started dropping like flies due to heroin/cocaine being cut with it.

As far as synthetic marijuana (Cannabicyclohexanol) goes, it was developed by Pfizer (yes the big pharm company) in the 70's. Now its sprayed on plant substances (potpourri as some packages call it) and smoked. I have seen plenty of people come in to the ER because they are freaking out while high on "spice". Appeals to kids and young adults due to the fact you can pretty much obtain it from various head shops and it won't come out in a urinalysis test. IMHO this stuff is really BAD and I agree it is a product of the marijuana prohibition.

Thanks for the info, OP. I think it's best to stay away from any drugs (unless they are Rx drugs you need to survive). Other than that I'm not a fan of big pharma at all.
 
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I don't condone marijuana use but uhhh..comparing dabs to LSD? NO COMPARISON other than the fact that your brain is under the influence of a drug.
An 80% or 90% THC content gives the marijuana product a psychedelic level very near that of LSD, and we all know what a dangerous drug is LSD.

The effects of each (even with repeated dosing of dabs) do not cross into each others territories.
The evidence I'm seeing in providing treatment, and the research linked in my OP, proves otherwise.

Bath salts? They've been around for almost a century. If you are interested in learning more look up Research Chems (there are tons of them).
The "new" bath salts are unlike anything that has ever been available before. It used to be users desperate for a high would inhale, smoke, or even ingest legitimate bath salts -- the stuff their mothers bought. Now, drugs are being marketed under the label of bath salts when they're primary purpose is to be used as a drug.

Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid used for pain (80-100x more potent than morphine). In the ER we dose patients who have pain and are allergic to other opioids with Fentanyl in MICROGRAMS. People usually tend to overdose when using drugs cut with Fentanyl due to its extremely high potency. There was a big scare up in Chicago/Detroit etc in '06 when people started dropping like flies due to heroin/cocaine being cut with it.
Yep, and that doesn't even consider the crap the cartels across the border are using to cutt the fentanyl they're making. Makes it even worse.

As far as synthetic marijuana (Cannabicyclohexanol) goes. It was developed by Pfizer in the 70's. Now its sprayed on plant substances (potpourri as some packages call it) and smoked. I have seen plenty of people come in to the ER because they are freaking out while high on "spice". Appeals to kids and young adults due to the fact you can pretty much obtain it from various head shops and it won't come out in a urinalysis test. IMHO this stuff is really BAD and I agree it is a product of the marijuana prohibition.
Agreed, and it is a good argument to keep marijuana illegal. Imagine how big the problem is going to get in states where marijuana is legal.

Thanks for the info, OP. I think it's best to stay away from any drugs (unless they are Rx drugs you need to survive). Other than that I'm not a fan of big pharma at all.
You're welcome, and yes, I'm not a fan of the pharmaceutical companies either. They shouldn't be allowed to peddle drugs in prime time, and the fact they can is just another sign they're way too rich. Still, they are more trustworthy for drug purity than an basement or garage drug cook ever will be.
 
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Marijuana doesn't need contaminants to be dangerous. Just to give you an overview, I'll post some facts from a paper I wrote -- The Medical and Pyschological Reasons Marijuana Must Remain Illegal in Missouri (© 2014) --for presentation to the Missouri Certification Board's Drug and Alcohol Information Committee.

  1. The genotoxic effects – that is, the harm done to the genetic coding of an individual – of partially oxidized hydrocarbons created by burning either cannabis or tobacco have been widely examined as the likely source of genetic changes that lead to the carcinogenic state (Godschalk,2002). et al in a study examining various DNA abnormalities in lung tissue, 2002). As a result, any medical potential of cannabis is negated by the potential health impacts of using a smoked medicine (Watson, 2000).
  2. Marijuana smoke contains fifty to seventy percent more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke. One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Smokers who engage in long-term moderate use of one to two joints per day, to heavy use of three or more joints per day, suffer from bronchitis, an inflammation of the respiratory tract (Hii, 2008).
  3. Conflicting reports of cell structure effects of cannabinoids are partially explained by the different experimental protocols, cell types, and animals used by investigators. Cannabinoids also suppress normal macromolecular synthesis (that is, replication of DNA, RNA, and protein) as well as reduce the level of histone gene expression. That is the gene that produces the baseline protein of DNA. In general these studies show that cannabinoids are detrimental to the health of an individual (Zimmerman, 1991).
  4. A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby. Over the last ten years, many children of marijuana users have been born with reduced initiative and lessened abilities to concentrate and pursue life goals. Studies also suggest that prenatal use of the drug may result in birth defects, mental abnormalities and increased risk of leukemia in children. Autopsy results on moderate to heavy users of cannabinoids confirm the more drastic changes in cell structure found in non-human studies, and birth defects among children parented by moderate to heavy marijuana users are nearly three times more prevalent than in the general population. (Van Dam, 2008).
  5. Marijuana changes the structure of sperm cells, deforming them. Thus even small amounts of marijuana can cause temporary sterility in men. Marijuana use can upset a woman’s menstrual cycle (Pletcher, 2012)). Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities. This is backed up by earlier research on the long-term effects of marijuana, which indicate changes in the brain similar to those caused by long-term abuse of other major drugs. And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis (Novotny, 2010).
  6. Marijuana and its most active ingredients – tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabinol (CBN), and cannabidiol (CBD) – markedly affect cellular health. Cytogenetic studies have revealed that cannabinoids induce chromosome aberrations, confirmed in both laboratory and animal studies. These aberrations include chromosomal breaks, deletions, translocations, errors in chromosomal segregation, and outright loss of chromosomal material in cellular division. These changes are due to the mutative action of cannabinoids or to cannabinoid-induced disruption of cell-division events or both (Reese, 2008).
I could go on and on, but this information is enough -- or should be -- to convince people of the dangers of marijuana. These are far worse than the side effects of marketed commercial pharmaceuticals, yet advocates and legilsators have given approval to sell this stuff as medicine!

It's insane. No responsible pharmaceutical company would put poison like this int heir bottles and on pharmacy shelves, but they let this stuff get sold out of storefronts by people totally unqualified to make a diagnosis, much less sell a "medication."

Well I just did a quick research on your subject number 2 that marijuana smoke has 50-70% more cancer causing substances than tobacco smoke. Only 1 out of 20 sides with you that said that marijuana causes cancer, as the others said a resounding "NO" and the few others were undecided do to lack of study evidence over the years on the issue.

Then like I said since you are using the term marijuana which is the drug produced from the cannabis plant, then I would like to say again that in a research or study that you look into for your info make sure they are not combining the natural version of the plant with a laced version of it.

Like I said there is a big difference and I also stated I am not a marijuana condoner yet I am for one to use true untainted studies. For I have known many marijuana smokers in my life and not one of them has cancer from it, so if marijuana is that much harmful then a cigarette like you and that study you mentioned says. Where is the medical proof ???
If it is that much more harmful as you say, then pretty much every person who smokes marijuana should have cancer or at least 6 out of every 10 should. Which would give well enough data for polls to prove this point, however they don't as most studies say and show a lack of evidence.

You say far worse then the side effects of marketed commercial pharmaceuticals, yet you have more deaths each year form those legal drugs then you do from marijuana. Which is very slim in comparison as there is lawsuits on a number of legal drugs every year do to deaths and serious side effects.

I seen a couple of studies that said over 100,000 people die of prescription drugs every year !!!


If this many people were dying of marijuana then you can bet we would hear about it, but studies have shown the number for deaths do to marijuana per year is only in the 100's. And deaths by tobacco/cigarettes are above 400,000 per year.
 
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Ken ---

Don't know why you're going out of your way to attempt to discredit the very few properly conducted studies on the effects of marijuana, but Dr. S.W. Hii of Penn State is one of the foremost researchers on the effects of marijuana on the respiratory system, and has been the subject of many attacks by marijuana advocates who don't like to hear or read the truth.

True, more study needs to be done. Marijuana is hard to study, given its Schedule I status, so researchers are forced to turn to willing users. That's difficult, because many fear they will be investigated as distributors if they are identified by authorities. It is nearly impossible to assure them of their confidentiality.

Also, the 100,000 prescription drug deaths you mention in your post are a gross exaggeration. Deaths by drug ingestion or use in 2013 totaled 46,471 -- and that was both legal and illegal drug use.
 
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Ken ---

Don't know why you're going out of your way to attempt to discredit the very few properly conducted studies on the effects of marijuana, but Dr. S.W. Hii of Penn State is one of the foremost researchers on the effects of marijuana on the respiratory system, and has been the subject of many attacks by marijuana advocates who don't like to hear or read the truth.

True, more study needs to be done. Marijuana is hard to study, given its Schedule I status, so researchers are forced to turn to willing users. That's difficult, because many fear they will be investigated as distributors if they are identified by authorities. It is nearly impossible to assure them of their confidentiality.

Also, the 100,000 prescription drug deaths you mention in your post are a gross exaggeration. Deaths by drug ingestion or use in 2013 totaled 46,471 -- and that was both legal and illegal drug use.

I am not going out of my way on this because the studies I have mentioned is from medial studies as well.
Just because one person with a medical background says something does not make it so if many others with medical backgrounds disprove of what the other said.

My whole point is rather the studies done is on the standard cannabis plant that grows naturally in the wild, or if those studies include or mostly on the tainted laced version of the cannabis plant.

One must make a distinction between the two to get true credible results, as the cannabis plant for years has been laced, tampered with, and chemically enhanced to produce stronger results as people in the drug trade have done with all forms of drugs to make them have stronger results. The other thing I have noticed from those around who have smoked it do not get anger as I seen mentioned, it made them more mellow and relaxed.

As for your statement that 100,000 prescription drug deaths per year is grossly exaggerated is the one who is in the wrong as your source says in 2013 only 46,471 deaths occured from both illegal and legal drug use.

Prescription Drugs Kill Over 100,000 People Each Year, Are You Being Medicated Incorrectly? | Collective-Evolution

Prescription Drugs Now Kill More People than Illegal Drugs

Statistics prove prescription drugs are 16,400% more deadly than terrorists - NaturalNews.com

100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs, While Pharma Companies Get Rich | Alternet

Government Medical Care Is Not Healthcare, Prescription Drugs Cause Disease, Death and Disability; Vaccinations, Autism
 
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I am not going out of my way on this because the studies I have mentioned is from medial studies as well.
Just because one person with a medical background says something does not make it so if many others with medical backgrounds disprove of what the other said.
This is absolutely true, but none of the researchers on "my side of the issue" who have examined the "other side's" views have been able to reach any conclusion other than their data and research are inconclusive. The marijuana researchers who blatantly come out and state the drug is safe are just as culpable as the tobacco industries' researchers and doctors from 60 years ago who were ignoring the truth they knew in order to promote their own agenda.

"My side" is generally saying, "We need more study," not blatantly condemning marijuana. I myself favor moving marijuana to a Schedule II drug so such study can be undertaken. But there is no doubt in my mind of the dangers of smoke, vapor and ingestion. These are not safe delivery systems. If marijuana is, in fact, of medicinal value, it will not be delivered by those methods.

"Ditch weed" is actually more dangerous in that respect, because it likely has been sprayed by pesticides, herbicides and other chemicals from the overspray that occurs near farm fields. If people are growing it in their basements, it's no longer "ditch weed" but a cultivated product that is being developed for more potency, and THC simply isn't safely delivered the way they are going to deliver it.

Also, I believe it is an abuse of biblical passages to attempt to justify the use of marijuana simply because it occurs "naturally." Once it is found in the "ditch" it is usually dug up and becomes a human-precipitated drug of abuse, and no abuse is good in the eyes of God.
 
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This is absolutely true, but none of the researchers on "my side of the issue" who have examined the "other side's" views have been able to reach any conclusion other than their data and research are inconclusive. The marijuana researchers who blatantly come out and state the drug is safe are just as culpable as the tobacco industries' researchers and doctors from 60 years ago who were ignoring the truth they knew in order to promote their own agenda.

"My side" is generally saying, "We need more study," not blatantly condemning marijuana. I myself favor moving marijuana to a Schedule II drug so such study can be undertaken. But there is no doubt in my mind of the dangers of smoke, vapor and ingestion. These are not safe delivery systems. If marijuana is, in fact, of medicinal value, it will not be delivered by those methods.

"Ditch weed" is actually more dangerous in that respect, because it likely has been sprayed by pesticides, herbicides and other chemicals from the overspray that occurs near farm fields. If people are growing it in their basements, it's no longer "ditch weed" but a cultivated product that is being developed for more potency, and THC simply isn't safely delivered the way they are going to deliver it.

Also, I believe it is an abuse of biblical passages to attempt to justify the use of marijuana simply because it occurs "naturally." Once it is found in the "ditch" it is usually dug up and becomes a human-precipitated drug of abuse, and no abuse is good in the eyes of God.

Like I said I am not justifying the use of it as in using it to get high and lacing it with chemicals to make the effect more stronger. What I have said all along was proper studies need to be done to separate the natural grown cannabis from the laced in house grown variety. To place both in the same category would come up with false results all the time.
The cannabis plant has already been shown in multiple studies to have medical uses to it, so to say this is not proven would be false as well as they have done a couple studies to show it.

Everything that God placed here on this earth has a purpose, we as His creation need to know and find out the proper uses for each thing without just writing if off completely because of a few bad sides to it done through misuse.
Like I said I do not condone the smoking of marijuana for the purpose of getting high, but the medical use of it I can understand. Now this next part you may not agree with but this is by the word of God (bible);

Cannabis is a nature plant on the earth, it is not man made.
Cannabis is classified as a herb that does produce seeds.....................

What does God say about seed producing herbs ???


Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Genesis 1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
 
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Everything that God placed here on this earth has a purpose, we as His creation need to know and find out the proper uses for each thing without just writing if off completely because of a few bad sides to it done through misuse.
Since Adam's sin, the world has been fallen alongside man. There are countless millions of plants and animals that have no legitimate use for existing. The deterioration of the world through man's sin has brought forth many such "naturally occurring" living things that are useless, and in fact cause great harm or are highly dangerous when put to, or exercising, their "natural" prupose.

Tobacco has no legitimate use, yet it is legal. That's no reason to make marijuana legal, or investigate it's "God-given purpose" since it is entirely possible it does not have one.
 
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Since Adam's sin, the world has been fallen alongside man. There are countless millions of plants and animals that have no legitimate use for existing. The deterioration of the world through man's sin has brought forth many such "naturally occurring" living things that are useless, and in fact cause great harm or are highly dangerous when put to, or exercising, their "natural" prupose.

Tobacco has no legitimate use, yet it is legal. That's no reason to make marijuana legal, or investigate it's "God-given purpose" since it is entirely possible it does not have one.
This is exactly what I said as I knew you would focus solely on what man has found in the bad uses of such things, yet we need to get around that and search out the proper and main uses for these things. For one main thing plant and tree life was put on Earth by God to produce the oxygen we breath.
Second Genesis 9:3 is after the sin of Adam and Eve, as it is even after the flood as well. Yet God tells Noah the same that He told Adam that every herb is for food. To take away from that would be to take away from God's word in which He clearly commands not to do. Now day churches are trying to conform His word to now day living, instead of teaching properly that we are to confirm our lives to His ways.

There are even other uses for the cannabis plant besides food as the bible classifies herbs are to be used for, and that is clothing and rope has also been made from the plant.
 
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Tobacco has no legitimate use, yet it is legal. That's no reason to make marijuana legal, or investigate it's "God-given purpose" since it is entirely possible it does not have one.

I'm sorry V_W, but significant headway has been made in medical application of cannabis, namely the cannabinoid CBD (cannabidiol) and most notably applying to the oncology field. This is an abstract compiled by The National Cancer Institute at NIH: Laboratory/Animal/Preclinical Studies division. Shows promising results.

(Although this shows clinical studies in mice/rats, human application has been conducted by numerous people and shown similar results)

Again, not condoning the use of cannabis, but if these results hold true (seeing the first-hand effects of chemotherapy) I would choose CBD treatment any day.

Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) - National Cancer Institute
 
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I think a lot of people look at cannabis the wrong way. The pills that the doctor gives out and THC are all chains of chemicals which have internal effects in the human body (albeit pharmaceuticals are tested/trialed/approved by the FDA even though most of them cause more problems than they fix :/ ). If someone would have isolated the cannabinoid CBD and sold it in pill form as an effective alternative cancer treatment to toxic chemotherapy, no one would think twice about it. It comes down to the same principal. Just like if some will only eat their meat if they don't see the animal get killed and butchered, they are perfectly happy downing prescription meds which have been put together in a lab because its in a nice and neat little package.

We are talking about major ground breaking advances in oncology here though. I think that is a sufficient enough reason to pursue the pharmacokinetcs and applications.
 
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On the other hand, if we pursue and find out that CBD cancer treatment surpasses chemotherapy in efficacy and decreased negative/increased positive side effects, then a HUGE portion of big pharma's profits would be in hot water, no?
 
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I'm sorry V_W, but significant headway has been made in medical application of cannabis, namely the cannabinoid CBD (cannabidiol) and most notably applying to the oncology field. This is an abstract compiled by The National Cancer Institute at NIH: Laboratory/Animal/Preclinical Studies division. Shows promising results.

(Although this shows clinical studies in mice/rats, human application has been conducted by numerous people and shown similar results)

Again, not condoning the use of cannabis, but if these results hold true (seeing the first-hand effects of chemotherapy) I would choose CBD treatment any day.

Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) - National Cancer Institute
Again, S_M, I've no problem with proper research that may or may not prove out the medicinal value of marijuana. But before it can be adequately studied, they're going to have to move it to Schedule II, because Schedule I drugs can't be researched. They are considered useless, drugs only for abuse.

My problem is with smoking, "vape," and liquid delivery. There's too much evidence it isn't safe, doing more long-term harm than the potential medicinal good, be that good short- or long-term.
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Allow me to introduce myself: V_W, licensed drug and alcohol addictions treatment provider in Missouri and Kansas. Yes, I do know what happens if an overdose of LSD is taken. I also know from the preliminary study of dabs, shatter, whatever it is called in the various parts of the country, it has thoseexact same effects in concentrated doses.
What preliminary studies are you talking about? Link?



One, few people other than the elderly who grew up when "Reefer Madness" was the only information they had on pot, say that marijuana will "make you mad."
I'm sorry, how long have you been on this site? There are TONS of people on here who believe that. They STILL make anti-drug school videos that claim the old (proven false) theories that marijuana is a gateway drug and it makes you crazy.




Bush, the evidence is overwhelming in proving the health and safety hazards of using all drugs, and that includes marijuana. You and those others who promote it willfully blind yourselves to the facts, claiming they are biased, slanted, or just outright lies, and you have absolutely nothing to base those claims on.
Let me make something clear about my stance. I'm not promoting the use of marijuana by stating the facts that it's not deadly. More carcinogens are released into the body through burnt food than Marijuana when ingested/vaporized.

My stance is this. Marijuana should not be illegal to people over 21. It is a health issue and not a crime issue. By making it illegal, you are placing billions of dollars into the hands of gangs, terrorists, Mexican drug cartels, and the CIA.

What I'm saying is that I don't think possessing a plant that God Himself placed on this earth should be punishable by years of forced sodomy, assault, and possibly murder in a prison. That doesn't make sense me.