Charles Manson Dead.......Finally!

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Huckleberry

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Why not just put those who kill others in a 4X4X4 dark cell for the rest of their life and feed them bread and water.
Would conserve space and man power.
Should not take long for them to die a "natural" death.
Except that cruel and unusual punishment is illegal in the United States.
The death penalty, if executed properly, is neither cruel nor unusual.
And it should not be just for murderers.
Rapists and other egregiously violent offenders should be put down.
 
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Except that cruel and unusual punishment is illegal in the United States.
The death penalty, if executed properly, is neither cruel nor unusual.
And it should not be just for murderers.
Rapists and other egregiously violent offenders should be put down.
The trouble with a lot of that is this one question. Would you bet your Eternal Salvation that you would not mistakenly kill a totally innocent person? Would you bet that?
 

maxwel

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The death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. But ending poverty and education may be.

The death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. But ending poverty and education may be.




I agree...

we should end both poverty and education.
 

Prov910

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The trouble with a lot of that is this one question. Would you bet your Eternal Salvation that you would not mistakenly kill a totally innocent person? Would you bet that?
You mean by releasing a convicted murderer to kill again after he serves a few years of his sentence?
 
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You mean by releasing a convicted murderer to kill again after he serves a few years of his sentence?
Was that supposed to be an answer to the question? It really only required a "Yes" or a "No."
 

hornetguy

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It's so surreal that he's actually dead to me. Before someone gets the wrong idea, I in no way held him in high regard, but in some weird way, he seemed like someone who would never die.
You mean, like Castro?
 

hornetguy

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I'll pray for him, and anyone gleeful about it--they'll need just as many prayers.
Gleeful? How about just glad?

I am sorry he was an un-repentant monster, but I will shed no tears that he has gone to his reward.

Pray for me if you wish.
 

hornetguy

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The death penalty is not a deterrent to crime. But ending poverty and education may be.
Sorry, but that is obviously not the answer.... some people are simply monsters....whether through life experiences, or chemical changes...

The Menendez brothers were well educated, fairly rich boys, who calmly murdered their own parents so they could get their inheritance..... and they showed little remorse over it.

I know a whole lot of un-educated, poor people who never entertain the thought of brutally murdering someone for "sport"....
 

tanakh

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All this really means is that for the next few days we are going to get bombarded with charles manson's life story on every channel, every major website and every radio station...
We have already had it on BBC's Red Button News and Information service. It made interesting reading and in part explained how he came to become the person he was. For us the News of his death has come shortly after that of Ian Brady who with Mira Hindley murdered several children here in the early sixties.
 

17Bees

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The way I see it, Manson paid his debt to society. You could argue a capital punishment, but that's an argument with the State of California, not Manson. The wages paid to us were paid in full. The wages of his sins were paid in full. That's about as far as we can go.
 

Huckleberry

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The trouble with a lot of that is this one question. Would you bet your Eternal Salvation that you would not mistakenly kill a totally innocent person? Would you bet that?
I wouldn't have to, so it's a moot point.
Salvation isn't something that's wagered, won, lost, or revoked.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
It doesn't matter how, where, or why one dies, it only matters when.
If an innocent person is legally put to death,
hopefully they made peace with God first.
 

notuptome

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The trouble with a lot of that is this one question. Would you bet your Eternal Salvation that you would not mistakenly kill a totally innocent person? Would you bet that?
Man that is just wrong. God has appointed the government to fulfill capitol punishment. No man is at risk of losing their salvation because of capitol punishment.

Whosoever shed mans blood by man shall his blood be shed.

Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Musicus

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I think enough time has been wasted on this animal already. I'm going to bed.
 

tourist

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The way I see it, Manson paid his debt to society. You could argue a capital punishment, but that's an argument with the State of California, not Manson. The wages paid to us were paid in full. The wages of his sins were paid in full. That's about as far as we can go.
He's square with the house.
 
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Galatea

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people need to understand that the God of the new testament is the same as God of the old testament

the only difference is the blood of Christ

if you do not accept Jesus, you will suffer the wrath of God

there is no third choice

I'm not sure why some seem to think Manson should go to heaven; perhaps the 7 people murdered, an 8 month old baby ripped out of the womb of Sharon Tate...blood smeared everywhere...should be considered

perhaps, if God would only use scales instead of the sacrifice of His Son, He would weigh the one person and the 7 hideously and ritualistically murdered against each other and Manson would be rejected

you know, I personally think that would make more sense (that is if we actually could decide better than the solution God already has) than gushing over someone who never repented of what he did even though he did have the gospel presented

we have a picture in the book of Revelation of saints who had been martyred asking how long they have to wait until their deaths had been avenged

if everyone who had a bad childhood committed murders, rape and various other morally devastating crimes, you could possibly create an argument for causative behavior

but since that is not so, it seems beyond silly to me to make such a case for someone who was so obviously influenced by satanic beings

that could be a discussion for another thread since some may believe the devil is now helpless
I don’t think ANYONE deserves to go to Heaven (I take that back, I think babies, little children and mentally retarded people are worthy if Heaven). That’s the great paradox- NONE of us deserve Heaven, yet we ALL can go if we accept Christ’s gift.

Grace is a funny thing, people rage against it. It upsets their sensibilities of what is right and what is fair and what is just.

Who knows what gruesome heinous things the thief on the cross committed? We know he was not JUST a thief. The Roman government would not have crucified a petty thief. Yet, Jesus told him “THIS day you shall be in Paradise with me.”

I know that God loves Charles Manson just as much as He loves Sharon Tate. I know that God died for Charles Manson just as much as He died for Sharon Tate. I know that if Sharon Tate called to Jesus in her last minutes, Jesus came and got her. I know that if Charles Manson called out for Jesus in his last minutes, Jesus came and got him. I know that if they are both in Heaven, she will forgive him and praise God for being loving enough to save all who call on His name.

I am glad that God operates by grace and not by justice. If He operated on a justice basis, not one of us would make Heaven. Not one of us is without sin.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I don’t think ANYONE deserves to go to Heaven (I take that back, I think babies, little children and mentally retarded people are worthy if Heaven). That’s the great paradox- NONE of us deserve Heaven, yet we ALL can go if we accept Christ’s gift.

Grace is a funny thing, people rage against it. It upsets their sensibilities of what is right and what is fair and what is just.

Who knows what gruesome heinous things the thief on the cross committed? We know he was not JUST a thief. The Roman government would not have crucified a petty thief. Yet, Jesus told him “THIS day you shall be in Paradise with me.”

I know that God loves Charles Manson just as much as He loves Sharon Tate. I know that God died for Charles Manson just as much as He died for Sharon Tate. I know that if Sharon Tate called to Jesus in her last minutes, Jesus came and got her. I know that if Charles Manson called out for Jesus in his last minutes, Jesus came and got him. I know that if they are both in Heaven, she will forgive him and praise God for being loving enough to save all who call on His name.

I am glad that God operates by grace and not by justice. If He operated on a justice basis, not one of us would make Heaven. Not one of us is without sin.
well actually God does not love everyone

please provide scripture that indicates God loves everyone

yes, He does offer salvation to everyone but He knows all will not accept

you have the wrong idea of God's love. His love is holy and His justice is holy

ALL that God does is holy and His thoughts are above our thoughts and His ways are ABOVE our ways Isaiah 55

it seems you also may not know too much about the Manson murders

in Sharon's last minutes, she was begging for the life of her unborn baby according to one of the women who was there

Miss Atkins, Miss Graham said, claimed that she killed Sharon Tate as the pregnant blonde actress cried: “Please, please, don’t kill me. I just want to have my baby.”
article

Who knows what gruesome heinous things the thief on the cross committed?
right. we are told he was a thief. that seems to be a misdemeanor nowdays, but it was often punishable by death back in the day

is there a reason you seem to use conjecture on your part as though it were fact? it's not working
 
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Man that is just wrong. God has appointed the government to fulfill capitol punishment. No man is at risk of losing their salvation because of capitol punishment.

Whosoever shed mans blood by man shall his blood be shed.

Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Oh, don't be dense, Roger. I never even intimated someone could lose their Salvation for killing an innocent man. I asked if he was so cock-sure of himself "knowing" a person he was going to kill was guilty, that he would be willing to go to Hell, himself, if he was wrong, and killed an innocent person.

It's easy to bluster and boast like a blow-hard about what you would do..... UNTIL it comes down to you, yourself, having to pay the ultimate price if your vindictiveness put an innocent person to death.