Chick-fil-A and Homosexuality

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Ugly

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IF you are denying equal rights to gays, then you are being hateful and disrespectful.

Now, if you're okay being labeled a bigot, then you go right ahead and continue fighting against marriage rights for gays. You just need to realize where that puts you.

What a load of crap. People should be allowed to have opinions without having negative labels pushed on them. Period. This is just part of the gay agenda. Sure, it happens more and more in other areas as people segregate on beliefs, but its never as obvious and frequent as it is with gays. You can't as much as say 'i disagree with homosexuality'. Just an opinion. But you say that and get labeled a homophobe, bigot, hatemonger and all other sorts of ridiculous names. People in this country are no longer free to think for themselves. We are now told by the government and outspoken minorities what our opinions should be, and if we dare think for ourselves and have our own opinions we're treated as lesser than. How is it providing equal rights to me when i can't have an opinion without being ostricized for it?
 

Nautilus

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What a load of crap. People should be allowed to have opinions without having negative labels pushed on them. Period. This is just part of the gay agenda. Sure, it happens more and more in other areas as people segregate on beliefs, but its never as obvious and frequent as it is with gays. You can't as much as say 'i disagree with homosexuality'. Just an opinion. But you say that and get labeled a homophobe, bigot, hatemonger and all other sorts of ridiculous names. People in this country are no longer free to think for themselves. We are now told by the government and outspoken minorities what our opinions should be, and if we dare think for ourselves and have our own opinions we're treated as lesser than. How is it providing equal rights to me when i can't have an opinion without being ostricized for it?
I dont see anyone stopping you from having your own opinion. Just as you are free to have an opinion on the topic people are free to look down on you based on your opinion. No one is stopping either side. One problem with Chrisitians is that some like to state their opinion regardless of what it is, then act shocked when people disagree and they call it persecution. When its just people doing the same thing they are doing.
 
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#83
it is impure immoral sex sin hated and cursed and condemmed by THE BLESSED HOLY TRINITY IN THE HOLY SACRED SCRIPTURE AND THATS THAT AMEN....
 
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JCTALKS

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#84
I love gay people even though I know it's wrong we all need jesus just the same for none of us is righteous no not 1
 
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psychomom

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*sigh* Of course we love gay people! This doesn't mean we approve of their actions, and it saddens me to see an entire nation in an uproar over ONE individual's expressed opinion. I believe this was the intent of the interviewer, and the purpose of the question asked.

I wish people would read the book "After the Ball". It's an amazing insight into the purposeful agenda begun by homosexuals in the late 1980s. They hired the best PR guys in the business, and if you read the book, you can see their plans have come to fruition, mostly by using the government schools to indoctrinate the young. I believe it was all done under the auspices of the enemy.
There truly is a difference between knowing the Word on this subject and "hating gays". I know a little about this, as my oldest daughter is a lesbian. Of course we still love her!! We do not approve of her lifestyle, but she's our child, for crying out loud. Love has never left the equation, not for one moment. But she, like so many, is tolerant only of those of like mind. She can't accept our love until we "approve" and agree. :(
So we are left with pleasing her, or pleasing the Lord. Rock, meet hard place. (except the Rock is what we stand on.)
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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I know a little about this, as my oldest daughter is a lesbian.
Bless you! And thank you for sharing that personal story.

I'm so glad to hear that you love and accept her (though not her "lifestyle" as you say), even though she doesn't accept you. It is a tough situation, and I hope you don't mind if I pray for both of you.

I hope you also realize that not all families are as loving as you. Many gays and lesbians, when they come out to their parents, are not told "I love you but hate your lifestyle." They're told, "Get out of my house, you're dead to me." I don't have any actual statistics at hand, so I can't tell you if it's 1% or 10% of 50% of 99%, but I know it happens, as many of my friends are gay, and it HAS happened.

Among my gay friends, I'd have to say it's about equal thirds: About 1/3, when they come out, are disowned by their families. Another 1/3 have families like yours, who say, "I love you but cannot accept your choices." The final third say, "Of course you're gay, honey. We knew it all along." And have no problem with homosexuality. (Most of the families in this last category are non-Christian.)

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So before Pentecost and the birth of the Christian Church, there was no marriage?

I guess not only was it not Adam and Steve, it wasn't even Adam and Eve.

Sorry, but the word "marriage" is not copy-written by Christians. The English language isn't even half as old as Christianity ... let alone any word therein. What an asinine position to take, that your religion has absolute control or ownership over a certain word.

And don't try to dig yourself out of this hole by saying you meant the concept of marriage rather than the word. The concept of marriage is not uniquely Christian. Non-Christians get married all the time, and have been doing so since long before Gabriel visited Mary, let alone before the Christian Church even started.

For THOUSANDS of years of human history, marriage -- the uniting of two people into a family unit -- has had nothing to do with religion. It was purely political. Until the middle ages, those of lower classes weren't even allowed to get married. After all, if there was no property, so what point was there to get married? And no one cared about adultery unless there was offspring. Men were not expected to remain faithful, it's just that any offspring conceived outside a properly blessed marriage "didn't count" because then the two families had not agreed on the exchange of property. It had nothing to do with purity or holiness, let alone with God.

It wasn't until recently in human history that Western Civilization has started to frame marriage in anything other than an exchange of property. The reason gays could not get married is because there would be no natural offspring from a homosexual pairing, and therefore no need for the relationship to be codified. There were gays. Heavens, yes, many famous figures throughout history were known for their homosexual and/or heterosexual philandering. It wasn't even a scandal. That's just the way it was. Sex wasn't reserved for marriage, and marriage wasn't necessarily reserved for sex. The couple was expected to have at least one male offspring, and that was it. The running assumption is that they wouldn't want to have sex (with each other) except to produce that one male offspring. Why would anyone want to spend intimate time with his or her spouse, when there are so many more exciting people out there to have sex with, just for fun?

THAT is what marriage was, originally.

We have most certainly redefined marriage in the last few decades. Interested in going back to the way it was? I didn't think so.

Interested in continuing to redefine it? Fine. Join us in the discussion of how we should define it, and we can talk.

But trying to claim some sort of "ownership" of the concept of marriage, as if it's always been some holy institution is either ignorant or an outright lie. Take your pick.
So you decide to ignore the correction I posted after that post? I'm not surprised actually.

Let me fix that
Marriage has always been and will be of God. :)
The point still stands, marriage has always been a covenant before God. If people want to continue to misinterpret the constitution (nowhere does it say separation of church and state) where it says in the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Then by that logic, having the the "religious" covenant of marriage as part of US law should also be changed. Civil unions should be redefined by the US and marriage should be left as a covenant before God.
 
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wolfywolfs

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so 3 things and the first one goes to ugly no one is saying you don't have your right to your opinion but with anything you are always going to get some negative feedback some very hurtful others respectable but honestly just let it go that's just there opinion and there right to it you can't have it both ways i mean hey you lot label me as an atheist just because i don't believe in your god or think you god is just mean (nicest way i can put it ) and i get name called and labeled no one actually asks me or trying to understand its just hate upon hate of what people think before investigating and i used to retaliate and cause problems on the forum but since then ive grown and just gone fine whatever, i hope this helps.

2nd with this chick a lic business i always ask the question when they use the phrase im just following the word of god. i ask "do you follow all of it or just pick the things you like" now i know alot of you will get offended by this but most of the time in my experiences people do pick the bits they like from the bible and ignore the rest so many times ive talked to people on here the response i get is "i didnt know that" , "its not true" "its different now" or everyone's favorite "that's the old testament" (which always makes me laugh because people say the bibles perfect yet yet you have 2 different testaments clearly one wasn't perfect and someone messed up) anyway back to the point of chick a lic am i right that the serve pig meat in some of there products which in the bible states its a forbidden food "In the book of Leviticus, chapter 11, v. 7, it is recorded that God declares the pig to be unclean for believers. Then, in verse 8, God says: “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you”. This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14:7-8. Then, in Isaiah 65:2-4, and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork."

now number 3 every one when talking about homosexuals always use the line in the bible man must not lie with another man as he does with a woman, obviously in your eyes that is stating being gay is wrong but where does its say a woman can not lie with another woman as she does with a man are lesbians a ok and gays are not. bit weird don't you think.

i apologies for the long post and i hope it made sense and would love hearing from you and as always i don't mean to cause any offense im just asking whats on my mind
 
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I dont see anyone stopping you from having your own opinion. Just as you are free to have an opinion on the topic people are free to look down on you based on your opinion. No one is stopping either side. One problem with Chrisitians is that some like to state their opinion regardless of what it is, then act shocked when people disagree and they call it persecution. When its just people doing the same thing they are doing.
Well, first you didn't describe me at all. Nor really hit on what i said. I stated that, just on the simple fact of stating 'i disagree with homosexuality', for example, that i am automatically label all sorts of hateful things. And that that kind of treatment is becoming more and more common. Why can't people just state their opinions without being told they're hateful? I"m not hateful for thinking somethings wrong, but that is exactly the label you get for disagreeing. Even to the degree the gov't would back the concept, thats not freedom to me.
Also, if i express an opinion on anything, i expect there will be disagreements. I have no problem with people having their own opinions. And i've yet to see any Christians claim persecution over someone stating a simple disagreement.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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So you decide to ignore the correction I posted after that post? I'm not surprised actually.
You hadn't posted the correction yet when I made my post. And I'm not surprised, either.
 
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wolfywolfs

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Well, first you didn't describe me at all. Nor really hit on what i said. I stated that, just on the simple fact of stating 'i disagree with homosexuality', for example, that i am automatically label all sorts of hateful things. And that that kind of treatment is becoming more and more common. Why can't people just state their opinions without being told they're hateful? I"m not hateful for thinking somethings wrong, but that is exactly the label you get for disagreeing. Even to the degree the gov't would back the concept, thats not freedom to me.
Also, if i express an opinion on anything, i expect there will be disagreements. I have no problem with people having their own opinions. And i've yet to see any Christians claim persecution over someone stating a simple disagreement.
if you read my post above i explain the consequences of having an opinion