Chinese scientists clone monkeys. Are we next?
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The whole thing is ethically disastrous. How many babies will die to get one cloned baby to live?
As far as babies born from parents of the same gender, I wouldn't call it homosexuality. However, it will enable the same-sex movement by letting two women or two men raise a family that they can actually say is their own genetically.
As far as babies born from parents of the same gender, I wouldn't call it homosexuality. However, it will enable the same-sex movement by letting two women or two men raise a family that they can actually say is their own genetically.
I find the idea of human cloning in movies quite a disturbing concept. Humans being grown artificially.The most disturbing was a movie, where clones were grown to serve human kind as slaves without thinking they were slaves, but were given that identity of serving others, to the overruling population. And to keep them believing in their existence, they were assured of some religious ascension when they were 'chosen', but in actual fact when taken away they were bolted like animals, in an abattoir, and recycled into food for the clones who were alive, without their knowledge, as a self sufficient slave force.
If you clone any part of a human, especially an organ, at what point is it considered to be alive rather than synthetic? And if it is regarded as synthetic, then can it be respected as human? And if not then is it responsible for how it is treated when it was not created by itself? What would a clone think, when it realises that, unlike the rest of mankind, it was created without any parents and that it has no parents?
In cloning animals and monkeys, what exactly happened to the failed experiments, or was every experiment a success? I am sure that part of it is too horrific to share, with the wonderful success of the 'successful' experiments, as if only those experiments exist. All while animals are experimented on. I would hate to be an animal in this world ruled by humans.
I'm not a vegan or anything, but when I think deeply about the ways humans imprison and treat animals, for science, or for testing products on, and I empathise from their position, I think it just makes the most horrifying story. Does an animal have to be able to speak words and write, for us to think that maybe it is immoral?
I love cats and dogs as pets, but in China they make a nice delicacy. While they might see this as normal, as we see eating chicken as normal, what is the difference except perspective? Chickens are also highly intelligent creatures. Any living creature can become a loving pet, no matter how small it's neural network is. Saying that, I do love my chicken nuggets, but deep down I know that in order to enjoy it so much, I have to completely deny the suffering and isolation of that animal, to become my chicken nugget. Yes we are told, they don't suffer, of course we are told that, why would we be told the opposite. I don't recall a label saying, no animals were harmed in making this chicken nugget.
Imagine this, someone offers you some food, a nice looking burger. It has all your favourite trimmings with it, looks absolutely tasty and smells good too. You say 'wow that tasted delicious, what was it?' And they answer, 'that was golden retriever', does it still taste and smell as good in your imagination now? I love animals and it would be nice to be a vegan, but I think generally humans are simply carnivores more than they are herbivores. Apex predators rather than docile herbivores. Well I love my meat anyway, but I still have the thought in the back of my head that it would be nice not to.
If you clone any part of a human, especially an organ, at what point is it considered to be alive rather than synthetic? And if it is regarded as synthetic, then can it be respected as human? And if not then is it responsible for how it is treated when it was not created by itself? What would a clone think, when it realises that, unlike the rest of mankind, it was created without any parents and that it has no parents?
In cloning animals and monkeys, what exactly happened to the failed experiments, or was every experiment a success? I am sure that part of it is too horrific to share, with the wonderful success of the 'successful' experiments, as if only those experiments exist. All while animals are experimented on. I would hate to be an animal in this world ruled by humans.
I'm not a vegan or anything, but when I think deeply about the ways humans imprison and treat animals, for science, or for testing products on, and I empathise from their position, I think it just makes the most horrifying story. Does an animal have to be able to speak words and write, for us to think that maybe it is immoral?
I love cats and dogs as pets, but in China they make a nice delicacy. While they might see this as normal, as we see eating chicken as normal, what is the difference except perspective? Chickens are also highly intelligent creatures. Any living creature can become a loving pet, no matter how small it's neural network is. Saying that, I do love my chicken nuggets, but deep down I know that in order to enjoy it so much, I have to completely deny the suffering and isolation of that animal, to become my chicken nugget. Yes we are told, they don't suffer, of course we are told that, why would we be told the opposite. I don't recall a label saying, no animals were harmed in making this chicken nugget.
Imagine this, someone offers you some food, a nice looking burger. It has all your favourite trimmings with it, looks absolutely tasty and smells good too. You say 'wow that tasted delicious, what was it?' And they answer, 'that was golden retriever', does it still taste and smell as good in your imagination now? I love animals and it would be nice to be a vegan, but I think generally humans are simply carnivores more than they are herbivores. Apex predators rather than docile herbivores. Well I love my meat anyway, but I still have the thought in the back of my head that it would be nice not to.
I'm sure I saw this one also, but cannot really remember it. How about Blade Runner? My daughter and I recently watched those two movies. She had never seen the original before (there are multiple versions of it 
) and much preferred the modern one. We laughed at the old one because the future in it was 2019
What about Vanilla Sky? Or A.I.?
) and much preferred the modern one. We laughed at the old one because the future in it was 2019 What about Vanilla Sky? Or A.I.?
Here is a listing of cloning-type movies
Clone Movies! - IMDb
Clone Movies! - IMDb
The Island was a good movie, although more of a mainstream action movie than having any depth to it, while still having some depth. Still a good movie though. The movie I'm on about could have been a really great and epic movie, because it had so much depth to it, but it was sadly one of those movies where in order to try and gather a bigger audience it was mixed with a lot of profanity. But I think doing that to a movie which could have been brilliant in the sense of respect for it and moral story, this destroyed it. It would be like taking Jesus of Nazareth and mixing Game of Thrones with it, to make it 'more realistic'. Luckily I'm an expert in video editing, and managed to make it a seemless 'mild violence, zero profanity' movie, which passed my dad test because he is someone who really only likes really old movies, when they were 'pure' (I happen to agree with him on this, because really, it is true).
I do agree this whole concept of "cloning" is immoral, regardless whether it is a animal or a person.
Now for those who are against cloning, are they going to be labeled as clone-phobic? There seems to be some kind of new "phobia" always popping up, if someone doesn't agree with some ideology that is not logical.
Now for those who are against cloning, are they going to be labeled as clone-phobic? There seems to be some kind of new "phobia" always popping up, if someone doesn't agree with some ideology that is not logical.
First about Animal abuse - “A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast:
but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel” (Proverbs 12:10).
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Somatic cell nuclear transfer involves extracting the nucleus of a cell from an
adult animal and injecting it into a fertilized egg whose nucleus has been removed.
This genetically modified egg is then implanted into a surrogate mother, who
carries the baby until it is ready to be delivered (usually by cesarean section).
The clone has a genetic makeup that is at least theoretically identical to its nucleus
donor. Since Dolly the sheep was cloned over 20 years ago, around 23 other species
have been cloned using this method—including cats, cows, horses and pigs.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3k5mjb/first-monkey-clone-scnt-china-macaque
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Even though the process sounds straightforward, it never results in a healthy animal.
Less than 4 percent of clones survive beyond six months. Even those that survive
longer often end up suffering from oversized heads, twisted limbs, malformed kidneys
and other deformities.
The reasons for these deformities are not well understood, but Ian Wilmut, a scientist
at the Roslin Institute, believes the cloning process switches off certain genes needed
to create a healthy animal.
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The team at the Chinese Academy of Sciences admits they tried 79 times before they
found a way to clone a monkey that survived more than a few days. Despite the trem-
endous amount of animal suffering involved in these experiments, scientists are de-
bating whether or not this technology could be used to clone humans.
“Humans are primates. So (for) the cloning of primate species, including humans, the
technical barrier is now broken,” Dr. Mu-Ming Poo told reporters. “The reason …
we broke this barrier is to produce animal models that are useful for medicine, for
human health. There is no intention to apply this method to humans.”
Don’t be fooled by the cute photos of the cloned monkeys – they will live a life of pain | The Independent
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While only evolutionists believe that humans are primates, many scientists believe
using monkeys to test new drugs will allow them to more effectively treat human
patients in the future. They believe that testing these drugs on clone monkeys will
reduce complicating factors caused by genetic variability in non-cloned animals.
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but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel” (Proverbs 12:10).
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Somatic cell nuclear transfer involves extracting the nucleus of a cell from an
adult animal and injecting it into a fertilized egg whose nucleus has been removed.
This genetically modified egg is then implanted into a surrogate mother, who
carries the baby until it is ready to be delivered (usually by cesarean section).
The clone has a genetic makeup that is at least theoretically identical to its nucleus
donor. Since Dolly the sheep was cloned over 20 years ago, around 23 other species
have been cloned using this method—including cats, cows, horses and pigs.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3k5mjb/first-monkey-clone-scnt-china-macaque
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Even though the process sounds straightforward, it never results in a healthy animal.
Less than 4 percent of clones survive beyond six months. Even those that survive
longer often end up suffering from oversized heads, twisted limbs, malformed kidneys
and other deformities.
The reasons for these deformities are not well understood, but Ian Wilmut, a scientist
at the Roslin Institute, believes the cloning process switches off certain genes needed
to create a healthy animal.
-
The team at the Chinese Academy of Sciences admits they tried 79 times before they
found a way to clone a monkey that survived more than a few days. Despite the trem-
endous amount of animal suffering involved in these experiments, scientists are de-
bating whether or not this technology could be used to clone humans.
“Humans are primates. So (for) the cloning of primate species, including humans, the
technical barrier is now broken,” Dr. Mu-Ming Poo told reporters. “The reason …
we broke this barrier is to produce animal models that are useful for medicine, for
human health. There is no intention to apply this method to humans.”
Don’t be fooled by the cute photos of the cloned monkeys – they will live a life of pain | The Independent
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While only evolutionists believe that humans are primates, many scientists believe
using monkeys to test new drugs will allow them to more effectively treat human
patients in the future. They believe that testing these drugs on clone monkeys will
reduce complicating factors caused by genetic variability in non-cloned animals.
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