Chinese scientists clone monkeys. Are we next?

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The team at the Chinese Academy of Sciences wants to use cloned monkeys
to study treatments for [Alzheimer’s disease].
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...e-monkeys-break-barrier-human-cloning-n840736
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[The main cause of Alzheimer’s] may be societies’ absence of respect for elderly people.
According to the study,by the Yale School of Public Health.

The study says that individuals who are conditioned by society to believe that they will lose
their mental sharpness when they grow old likely will. People who succumb to negative
thinking and feeling obsolete, it says, will sometimes mentally “retire.”And this withdrawal
can actually change their brains in a way that leads to Alzheimer’s and other kinds of dementia.

The study, titled “A Culture–Brain Link: Negative Age Stereotypes Predict Alzheimer’s
Disease Biomarkers,” was published on Dec. 7, 2015, in the journal Psychology and Aging.
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The logic of the conclusion is easy to understand: When those who are negative about aging
begin growing old, they will put forth less effort. They will give up more easily in the face of
difficulty and try to avoid challenging situations. And since the brain is a “use it or lose it”
organ, avoiding challenges and reducing effort leads to physical deterioration.
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God says younger people should “rise up before the hoary head”
and “honor the face of the old man” (Leviticus 19:32).

God sees gray hair on a person as a “crown of glory” (Proverbs 16:31).
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But our society today wants to send them off to the old folks home. Other cultures
that still treat the eldest as head of there household, still involved in discisions as
God designed, do not have this problem, but we here just love youth, or to stay young.
 

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To clone a human?

Attempting to clone a human being is illegal in many countries, although China has taken a
lax position on this type of research. Chinese scientists at Xiangya School of Medicine claim
that they have cloned at least 30 human embryos for stem cell research. The scientists say
they harvested stem cells from these embryos in an attempt to grow organs for transplant.

The human embryos used in these experiments were torn apart three to five days
after fertilization. Since these embryos were not transferred to a surrogate mother,
they would not have survived much longer than that.
Chinese 'have cloned 30 human embryos' | Daily Mail Online

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Both atheism and Confucianism (China’s main ideologies) claim that an embryo is nothing more
than a clump of cells before it is born, thus negating any guilt involved in this type of research.

But the Bible condemns cloning on both animal and human embryos. “A righteous man
regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel” (Proverbs 12:10).

God gave mankind dominion over animals, to take care or be stewards.
He also gave special instructions on which animals we should and should not eat.

But God’s Word condemns scientists who torture baby monkeys with kidneys that do
not function simply because they want to grow them in a petri dish instead of allowing
them to be naturally conceived the way God designed.

Researchers are in a quest to avert the consequences of diseases,
without addressing the underlying causes of those diseases.

The Bible reveals not only spiritual laws but also health laws. It is wrong to justify
animal cruelty in a quest for good health and prosperity.God’s Health Laws

Because God designed and crafted the human body, He is the real authority in the
fields of nutrition, sanitation, hygiene and treating disease.

But the majority of people who think that a poor diet, insufficient sleep and exercise or
even substance abuse is nothing to worry about , even there [spiritual health] is ignored.

Instead of living the way of life outlined in the Bible and taking care of the human body
in accordance with God’s health laws, mankind desires to get around that natural law
by redesigning God’s creation! (Gen. 1:27).

Man sees a human body prone to sickness and disease, yet cannot bring himself
to seek the real answer to the question, What is its cause? (Deut. 28:58-61).
How can you maintain a happy, peaceful, hope-filled mind? Philippians 4:4, 8.

The Apostle John wished health and prosperity for God’s people “above all things”
The Bible emphasizes that God wants you to enjoy vibrant, healthful life!
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Concerning human embryos, God instructed the ancient Israelites to treat some-
one who caused an unborn child to die prematurely the same as any other murderer.

“If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet
no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will
lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow,
then thou shalt give life for life” (Exodus 21:22-23).

God considers the life of an unborn child equal to that of an adult. Every time a
scientist extracts the nucleus of a human embryo during an experiment, it results
in the death of a human being.
 

prove-all

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Now the question is - let's say scientists do clone a child - can that child be a living soul?
Can a clone live if God does not give of his Spirit to such a cloned being?
Is a human being more than just biology?
In gen. God says [both man and animals] are called souls

The spirit in man

The other thing that most scientists do not understand about human beings is that,
unlike monkeys, they are more than a collection of living cells. There is a spiritual
component in humans that elevates them above animals. “But there is a spirit in man:
and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding” (Job 32:8).

Even if a scientist could clone a human body, they cannot clone the human spirit.
Only God can put this spirit into a human being. It is what gives humans free will and
intellectual reasoning capacity. It is what gives humans the ability to choose moral
and spiritual values, to develop character.

This invisible spirit is in every person, and interacts with the physical brain.
This spirit makes us so much more then just another breathing soul.

It also is what allows humans to have a special relationship with God. If given
Gods Holy spirit, combined with our spirit, makes us so much more complete.

If they do happen to clone a human person, if would be after mass murder just
trying, and in the end just more suffering and death, never to copy the real thing.


The brain, one of the most wonderful and mysterious things God created.
 

notuptome

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They should clone politicians because they do not have a soul. Just kidding of course?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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You know...I am of the view that humanity was as advanced as we are before the flood destroyed it all and has possibly reached the zenith of technology numerous times through out history....there is world wide proof if one is willing to be honest....such as cities in Pakistan and India that show signs of vitrification, Egyptian Hieroglyphics that show experimentation and the attempt to combine human and animal hybrids, both Australia and Egypt have Aboriginal art and Egyptian Hieroglyphics, cities with stone cut in a manner that we cannot even begin to reproduce with modern technology and even the Pyramid of Giza....most will say that we have no clue how it was built and that we could not repeat today....one characteristic of Noah's day that stands out at me is the fact that ALL FLESH had CORRUPTED ITSELF and that NOAH was UPRIGHT which carries the idea of genetically pure.......what I have learned from a study of history and the bible is the truth that SATAN's attack upon God's plan for man is multi-pronged.....It is stated that he is the SUM of all WISDOM when he was created and from the lineage of JESUS, to the kingdom of Israel, the attempted destruction of Moses, Jesus, disciples, the corrupting of the Lord's churches etc....SATAN has been attempting by any and all means to thwart the plan of GOD......genetic manipulation is just another attempt in my view to corrupt humanity, creation etc.........
 

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Whilst you raise some good points of interest above, dcontroversal,
that Satan does indeed intervene in human affairs to thwart the plan
and purpose of God.
Nevertheless Satan's greatest achievements lie in the realms of
false religions, false revelations, false miracles, false apparitions;
anything but the truth.

Pride is Lucifer's fall. And there are certainly plenty of scriptures
warning us about the pitfalls of pride.
Human cloning along with other medical research and now the new
quantum super computers are expressions of pride.
"We have become like gods" - we can chart our own destiny and
replace the superstition of religion with science and technology.

It will all end in tears.
 
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Whilst you raise some good points of interest above, dcontroversal,
that Satan does indeed intervene in human affairs to thwart the plan
and purpose of God.
Nevertheless Satan's greatest achievements lie in the realms of
false religions, false revelations, false miracles, false apparitions;
anything but the truth.

Pride is Lucifer's fall. And there are certainly plenty of scriptures
warning us about the pitfalls of pride.
Human cloning along with other medical research and now the new
quantum super computers are expressions of pride.
"We have become like gods" - we can chart our own destiny and
replace the superstition of religion with science and technology.

It will all end in tears.
Fully agree....dethrone God, enthrone man...the same lie in the garden...ye shall be as GOD knowing good and evil.....
 

Waggles

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