Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

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Nehemiah6

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Actually, at this point, it should be clear the 3 letter agencies of the USA are subverting their own population with anything that is negative and promotes degeneracy.
They all have become a part of the lawless Deep State, and the goal if the Deep State is to destroy the rule of law and the Constitution. But the real issue is that those who were trained to, and paid to, and took an oath to defend the country against domestic enemies have done absolutely nothing about this.
 

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To me a more rational and realistic approach would be to try and figure out the best way forward, not backward.
Nobody really wants to talk about the best way forward (according to the Bible) since that would lead to mass executions in order to purge the system -- For he [the exceutioner] is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. (Romans 13:4) The "sword" stands for any instrument of execution, and those are the warning words of God through Paul.

Have evildoers hijacked the USA? That should be obvious to anyone who wants the truth. Is treason being committed every day AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS, and is lawlessness being deliberately promoted by so-called "law enforcement" agencies? Were crimes against humanity perpetrated by the governments for several years during the COVID "pandemic"? Should there have been a Nuremberg 2.0 where Anthony Fauci would be tried and punished, along with all the others who forced lethal bioweapons upon the general population? Today there is no deterrent to evildoers, so we see anarchy and chaos on a daily basis.
 
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Gojira

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I’m sorry to step on your toes. “Once and for all” solutions has a certain ring to it in the military.
But this is the problem I've been having with you. You tend to interpret anything that's outside what you believe to be prudent (e.g., "moderate Republicans") as being on the edge of anarchy. There are multiple ways the word "warrior" or "fight" can be applied. Sports teams fight their way back from scoring deficits. People fight by protesting, marching, civil disobedience, hounding their representatives, or by just digging in and not giving up.

I am not 100% opposed to violence, but is truly the near-clichéd "last resort". Unfortunately, that is getting harder and harder to avoid with unjust FBI raids, antifa / BLM mob riots and shakedowns, etc.
 
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How was Hitler on the left and how was he reactionary?
His ideology about racial supremacy and Jew-hatred was not new. His spirituality was pagan. He was on the Left because his whole movement was a socialist one. The red in the Nazi flag was intended to signify that.

(But, just to show you how screwed up he was, he was also against communism AND capitalism, because these, you see, were plots by the Jews to run the world.)
 

ResidentAlien

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Hitler and the Nazis were about as far right as you could get. The Jews, Americans, and Communists were a bunch of degenerates who were leading the world to Hell, in their opinion.
 
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Hitler and the Nazis were about as far right as you could get. The Jews, Americans, and Communists were a bunch of degenerates who were leading the world to Hell, in their opinion.
Hitler and the Germans were fighting against communists. Generally right wing movements want to restore boundaries and order. I suppose the most mild form of right wing is wanting to maintain things as they are. Left wing movements want to remove boundaries and generally produce chaos and degeneracy. Both of these come with strong, heavy-handed governments.
 

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But this is the problem I've been having with you. You tend to interpret anything that's outside what you believe to be prudent (e.g., "moderate Republicans") as being on the edge of anarchy. There are multiple ways the word "warrior" or "fight" can be applied. Sports teams fight their way back from scoring deficits. People fight by protesting, marching, civil disobedience, hounding their representatives, or by just digging in and not giving up.

I am not 100% opposed to violence, but is truly the near-clichéd "last resort". Unfortunately, that is getting harder and harder to avoid with unjust FBI raids, antifa / BLM mob riots and shakedowns, etc.
I think you should elaborate on what you deem to be unjust FBI raids. It’s not in the interest of the nation to be undermining its institutions.
 
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His ideology about racial supremacy and Jew-hatred was not new. His spirituality was pagan. He was on the Left because his whole movement was a socialist one. The red in the Nazi flag was intended to signify that.

(But, just to show you how screwed up he was, he was also against communism AND capitalism, because these, you see, were plots by the Jews to run the world.)
I have seen a picture of Hitler receiving the Catholic sacrament they call communion. This was the adult, uniformed Hitler and not some youth version. He was not intensely into Catholicism or any other Christian denomination nor was he intensely opposed to Christians since most Germans were either Catholic or protestant. He was definitely a German nationalist, and Christianity's promotion of good morals and opposition to degeneracy would have aligned with his own values. I have heard stuff about him dabbling in occult practices. He did pay a visit to a psychic lady. I think her name was Baba Vanga and she lived in Bulgaria or one of the small countries in that area. He was reportedly not happy about what he heard.

Jews are given a free pass by ignorant Americans, but they were doing some vile things in Germany most people aren't aware of. Did anyone ever tell you about the communist revolution in Germany that happened at the end of WWI when Germany was weak? When you look at that list of names of the leaders it's Jew after Jew after Jew. Usually, the non-Jewish communists were foreigners (from another European country), homosexuals, atheists, or degenerates. Jews were less than 1% of the German population but over 50% of the communist leadership. Karl Marx was Jewish, the son of a rabbi. Did you even know that?

Meanwhile there was another communist revolution in Russia. This one actually succeeded, so the Germans got to sit by and observe what kind of stuff happens when a Jewish-led, communist revolution takes place in your country. I'm not sure how much they were aware of, but there was a lot of awful stuff going on such as millions being starved to death in Ukraine, one of the most fertile farm areas of the world.

The Germans had a Rothschilds bank (Jewish banking family). Jews were the historical bankers of Europe, because the Catholic church did not permit usury. Jews were not allowed to charge interests on loans to other Jews, but doing so to Christians was okay by them. Generally nations ended up in wars with each other, and if you didn't take out a loan from Jewish money lenders, the other side would. This made Jewish bankers excessively wealthy.

Prior to Hitler taking power, Germany was run by the Weimar Republic. You might have heard they experienced hyper inflation to the point where an old lady brought a wheelbarrow full of money to the bakery to buy a loaf of bread. When she was inside the bakery, someone actually dumped all her money on the ground and stole the wheelbarrow.

In the 1920s Berlin was sin city in Europe. It was the place to go to participate in all kinds of sexual perversions (keep in mind that Europe was much more Christian in culture back then) such as homosexuality, transgenderism, bestiality, pedophilia, and whatever other sick stuff. Jews were often times found at the head of these movements pushing them on the Germans to the utter most. They were involved with putting out books and films promoting or glorifying such things and this includes fictional entertainment,

Hitler noticed that Jews were buying up as much media (generally newspapers) as they could to spread lies and demoralize the German public. I'm not sure to what extent they controlled the news, but they had a huge stake in it.

I don't know if Hitler found out about the Jewish Talmud, but Martin Luther sure did. You might think Jews are following the ten commandments universally, but that's not what they are taught. Most Jews you will meet in America now are not religious and are what I would call "dissolved." They are generally marrying non-Jews and not into religion much at all like most people these days. Actually, a lot of them are atheists and only claim to be Jewish by birth. What the religious Jews of historical Europe were taught is that it is okay to steal, kill, and harm non-Jews as much as they can get away with. In fact they are encouraged to harm non-Jews as much as they can by their Talmud that they exalt even above the teachings of the Torah and what Christians call the old testament.

1933 comes by, and Hitler is elected to power. There's a publication, most likely a Jewish one, that printed on its front page:

JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY

If Jews did not have any power in the world, this would be a big joke, like Estonia declaring war on the United States. They could throw every member of their population at us, and we would just laugh. The Jews didn't hold a nation of their own, but they had huge control mainly coming from banking but also owned a lot of media in a lot of places.

Germany was not a nation that produced a lot of raw materials. They generally would import raw materials from other places, make good stuff out of it. Then they'd export that high-quality stuff to other places. Preventing them from doing this would be very harmful to them. Apparently, it wasn't successful enough to stop them. The German economy started booming under Hitler. He removed the Rothschild bank and established a currency based on German labor. Germany started thriving while the rest of the world was in the Great Depression. This resulted in Hitler becoming Time's person of the year (I believe 1934), and this also made Austria vote over 99% to be annexed by Germany.

Jews were removed from banking, news and entertainment media, and possibly other professions where they could do great harm to the German people. I believe Jewish doctors were required to have a warning on their practices. If a Jew were of the Talmudic mindset of intentionally harming non-Jews, I'd hate to even know what such Jewish doctors were pushing on non-Jewish patients.

I believe it was 1939 when Germany invaded the Czech territory. I'm not sure what the nations were called at the time. This is presented as unreasonable, but the Czech's held a former German territory full of German-speaking Germans. They were reportedly severely abusing and mistreating these Germans, so Hitler invaded them to get their territory back and stop the abuse of Germans. Ultimately, the war against the Soviet Union was inevitable, and the Germans decided to strike first.

Nobody was thrown into camps until the war started. It's funny but the United States did the same thing to the Japanese in America and possibly others who could harm their war efforts or the citizenry in general. All of the camps in and to the west of Germany were inspected by the Americans and British. None of them were determined to have execution programs. Meanwhile, the 6 camps east of Germany were held by the Soviet Union for 10 years without anybody else getting to inspect them. These are the alleged death camps where 6 million Jews were executed. We see pictures of emaciated bodies from when the Americans/British got to the camps. This is what we should expect to see in rural camps of a war decimated country where allies were bombing every train that might get food to these camps if food were even still available to send. The train bombing even resulted in bombing a train with American POWs.

Generally people are so sensitive about this topic and reject it outright without doing any real investigation into the matter. A real investigation into these claims reveals how ridiculous they are. Jews have been touting this 6 million Jews number in publications since before 1900. I have seen one in a video where the paper was from 1897. They continue year after year with 6 million Jews this and 6 million Jews that. There was never any mass graves or giant piles of bodies found anywhere. Even 1 million people would be about 14 Super Domes full of people. Multiply that number with decimals by 6, and you get 85. You're telling me that the Germans made 85 Super Domes full of bodies in Poland disappear all while fighting a war against the USA, UK, and USSR? They must have been super humans to do that. By the way using a supposed holocaust to justify the war is using evidence after the fact to justify something before it was known. It's like if I murdered someone, and then now I'm saying it's okay because we found out he had a dungeon full of kids he was having fun with. At the time of the act, it was just murder.

Hitler and the Germans tried time and time again to establish peace to the west of them. This is just a practical necessity of not wanting to fight a war on both sides. The USSR was a big enough opponent as it is. They even parachuted someone into London to go there and establish peace. He was thrown in prison and left to rot. The miracle of Dunkirk was actually an act of mercy extended to the British in order to establish peace with them.

When you start finding out about real history instead of war-propaganda, victor's narrative history, you start coming to the same conclusion as the great General Patton, that we were most certainly fighting the wrong enemy in World War II. The United States was allied with the communist Soviet Union that they would later fight two proxy wars against (Korea and Vietnam). As Yuri Bezmenov revealed, they were the cold war enemy that subverted and destroyed the USA. We're just waiting for the totality of the destruction at this point. As George Carlin essentially said, we're just waiting to see if there's a big crash and explosion or if everything just kind of grinds to a halt.
 

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I have seen a picture of Hitler receiving the Catholic sacrament they call communion. This was the adult, uniformed Hitler and not some youth version. He was not intensely into Catholicism or any other Christian denomination nor was he intensely opposed to Christians since most Germans were either Catholic or protestant. He was definitely a German nationalist, and Christianity's promotion of good morals and opposition to degeneracy would have aligned with his own values. I have heard stuff about him dabbling in occult practices. He did pay a visit to a psychic lady. I think her name was Baba Vanga and she lived in Bulgaria or one of the small countries in that area. He was reportedly not happy about what he heard.

Jews are given a free pass by ignorant Americans, but they were doing some vile things in Germany most people aren't aware of. Did anyone ever tell you about the communist revolution in Germany that happened at the end of WWI when Germany was weak? When you look at that list of names of the leaders it's Jew after Jew after Jew. Usually, the non-Jewish communists were foreigners (from another European country), homosexuals, atheists, or degenerates. Jews were less than 1% of the German population but over 50% of the communist leadership. Karl Marx was Jewish, the son of a rabbi. Did you even know that?

Meanwhile there was another communist revolution in Russia. This one actually succeeded, so the Germans got to sit by and observe what kind of stuff happens when a Jewish-led, communist revolution takes place in your country. I'm not sure how much they were aware of, but there was a lot of awful stuff going on such as millions being starved to death in Ukraine, one of the most fertile farm areas of the world.

The Germans had a Rothschilds bank (Jewish banking family). Jews were the historical bankers of Europe, because the Catholic church did not permit usury. Jews were not allowed to charge interests on loans to other Jews, but doing so to Christians was okay by them. Generally nations ended up in wars with each other, and if you didn't take out a loan from Jewish money lenders, the other side would. This made Jewish bankers excessively wealthy.

Prior to Hitler taking power, Germany was run by the Weimar Republic. You might have heard they experienced hyper inflation to the point where an old lady brought a wheelbarrow full of money to the bakery to buy a loaf of bread. When she was inside the bakery, someone actually dumped all her money on the ground and stole the wheelbarrow.

In the 1920s Berlin was sin city in Europe. It was the place to go to participate in all kinds of sexual perversions (keep in mind that Europe was much more Christian in culture back then) such as homosexuality, transgenderism, bestiality, pedophilia, and whatever other sick stuff. Jews were often times found at the head of these movements pushing them on the Germans to the utter most. They were involved with putting out books and films promoting or glorifying such things and this includes fictional entertainment,

Hitler noticed that Jews were buying up as much media (generally newspapers) as they could to spread lies and demoralize the German public. I'm not sure to what extent they controlled the news, but they had a huge stake in it.

I don't know if Hitler found out about the Jewish Talmud, but Martin Luther sure did. You might think Jews are following the ten commandments universally, but that's not what they are taught. Most Jews you will meet in America now are not religious and are what I would call "dissolved." They are generally marrying non-Jews and not into religion much at all like most people these days. Actually, a lot of them are atheists and only claim to be Jewish by birth. What the religious Jews of historical Europe were taught is that it is okay to steal, kill, and harm non-Jews as much as they can get away with. In fact they are encouraged to harm non-Jews as much as they can by their Talmud that they exalt even above the teachings of the Torah and what Christians call the old testament.

1933 comes by, and Hitler is elected to power. There's a publication, most likely a Jewish one, that printed on its front page:

JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY

If Jews did not have any power in the world, this would be a big joke, like Estonia declaring war on the United States. They could throw every member of their population at us, and we would just laugh. The Jews didn't hold a nation of their own, but they had huge control mainly coming from banking but also owned a lot of media in a lot of places.

Germany was not a nation that produced a lot of raw materials. They generally would import raw materials from other places, make good stuff out of it. Then they'd export that high-quality stuff to other places. Preventing them from doing this would be very harmful to them. Apparently, it wasn't successful enough to stop them. The German economy started booming under Hitler. He removed the Rothschild bank and established a currency based on German labor. Germany started thriving while the rest of the world was in the Great Depression. This resulted in Hitler becoming Time's person of the year (I believe 1934), and this also made Austria vote over 99% to be annexed by Germany.

Jews were removed from banking, news and entertainment media, and possibly other professions where they could do great harm to the German people. I believe Jewish doctors were required to have a warning on their practices. If a Jew were of the Talmudic mindset of intentionally harming non-Jews, I'd hate to even know what such Jewish doctors were pushing on non-Jewish patients.

I believe it was 1939 when Germany invaded the Czech territory. I'm not sure what the nations were called at the time. This is presented as unreasonable, but the Czech's held a former German territory full of German-speaking Germans. They were reportedly severely abusing and mistreating these Germans, so Hitler invaded them to get their territory back and stop the abuse of Germans. Ultimately, the war against the Soviet Union was inevitable, and the Germans decided to strike first.

Nobody was thrown into camps until the war started. It's funny but the United States did the same thing to the Japanese in America and possibly others who could harm their war efforts or the citizenry in general. All of the camps in and to the west of Germany were inspected by the Americans and British. None of them were determined to have execution programs. Meanwhile, the 6 camps east of Germany were held by the Soviet Union for 10 years without anybody else getting to inspect them. These are the alleged death camps where 6 million Jews were executed. We see pictures of emaciated bodies from when the Americans/British got to the camps. This is what we should expect to see in rural camps of a war decimated country where allies were bombing every train that might get food to these camps if food were even still available to send. The train bombing even resulted in bombing a train with American POWs.

Generally people are so sensitive about this topic and reject it outright without doing any real investigation into the matter. A real investigation into these claims reveals how ridiculous they are. Jews have been touting this 6 million Jews number in publications since before 1900. I have seen one in a video where the paper was from 1897. They continue year after year with 6 million Jews this and 6 million Jews that. There was never any mass graves or giant piles of bodies found anywhere. Even 1 million people would be about 14 Super Domes full of people. Multiply that number with decimals by 6, and you get 85. You're telling me that the Germans made 85 Super Domes full of bodies in Poland disappear all while fighting a war against the USA, UK, and USSR? They must have been super humans to do that. By the way using a supposed holocaust to justify the war is using evidence after the fact to justify something before it was known. It's like if I murdered someone, and then now I'm saying it's okay because we found out he had a dungeon full of kids he was having fun with. At the time of the act, it was just murder.

Hitler and the Germans tried time and time again to establish peace to the west of them. This is just a practical necessity of not wanting to fight a war on both sides. The USSR was a big enough opponent as it is. They even parachuted someone into London to go there and establish peace. He was thrown in prison and left to rot. The miracle of Dunkirk was actually an act of mercy extended to the British in order to establish peace with them.

When you start finding out about real history instead of war-propaganda, victor's narrative history, you start coming to the same conclusion as the great General Patton, that we were most certainly fighting the wrong enemy in World War II. The United States was allied with the communist Soviet Union that they would later fight two proxy wars against (Korea and Vietnam). As Yuri Bezmenov revealed, they were the cold war enemy that subverted and destroyed the USA. We're just waiting for the totality of the destruction at this point. As George Carlin essentially said, we're just waiting to see if there's a big crash and explosion or if everything just kind of grinds to a halt.

Your analysis is left wanting .....
 

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I think you should elaborate on what you deem to be unjust FBI raids. It’s not in the interest of the nation to be undermining its institutions.

You are awfully naive, especially when one just has to pay a smidgen of attention to current events.

Empires fall because leaders undermine its institutions, a basic concept.
 

HeIsHere

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His ideology about racial supremacy and Jew-hatred was not new. His spirituality was pagan. He was on the Left because his whole movement was a socialist one. The red in the Nazi flag was intended to signify that.

(But, just to show you how screwed up he was, he was also against communism AND capitalism, because these, you see, were plots by the Jews to run the world.)
So you are telling me when they Nazi's seized power in Germany they socialized all their industry and did not receive any money from big business?

The piece you are missing Mr. Gojira is that political theorists, those who create the ideologies use these terms to mean different things.

It is nearly impossible to understand the Communist Manifesto unless one untangles the terminology and understands the underlying meanings of the words.

So the political spectrum line that was posted was correct for its time.

That is what the political spectrum looked like as different political theories were emerging and being developed at the turn of the last century, however the political spectrum does not reflect what actually occurs in practice since most systems have a mix and ideas/terms have evolved.
 

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You are awfully naive, especially when one just has to pay a smidgen of attention to current events.

Empires fall because leaders undermine its institutions, a basic concept.
You’re entitled to your opinion of me. Probably you’re right about that.
 

HeIsHere

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You’re entitled to your opinion of me. Probably you’re right about that.
Being naive is a nice place to be, I cannot dispute that to be true in the short run, however not sure if it really serves one well in the long run.

Test all things...
 
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Those who think that America is a Christian theocracy are pathetic.
That's just wishful thinking.
The fact is that many things done by the United States are just the opposite of what the Bible teaches.
If this can be called a Christian country,Then all man can be easily saved.
I think it is wrong to believe that America is a Christian country.
And this idea has led many people to have a very wrong understanding of Christianity.
 
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Hitler and the Germans were fighting against communists. Generally right wing movements want to restore boundaries and order. I suppose the most mild form of right wing is wanting to maintain things as they are. Left wing movements want to remove boundaries and generally produce chaos and degeneracy. Both of these come with strong, heavy-handed governments.
There are differences between fascism and communism, but they're not significant. Both use chaos and fear to seize power. Both want to run our lives and treat us like a group rather than protect individual rights. Both are police states. How is one Right and the other Left? They both look an awful lot like each other.

I see moving to the right as being increasingly chaotic and government-free, and moving left as increasingly authoritarian. Moving to the Right should not produce the exact same results as moving to the Left. Makes no sense.

Re: German boy... Adolf was reactionary in a certain sense, and perhaps you are correct in that this was a right-wing aspect of his movement. But, his economic and governmental models, and his tactics or getting there, were Leftist.
 
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Gojira

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Those who think that America is a Christian theocracy are pathetic.
That's just wishful thinking.
The fact is that many things done by the United States are just the opposite of what the Bible teaches.
If this can be called a Christian country,Then all man can be easily saved.
I think it is wrong to believe that America is a Christian country.
And this idea has led many people to have a very wrong understanding of Christianity.
We were founded by Christians and our government reflects Christian thinking. We were seen as a Christian nation back then, but not as a theocracy. You don't need to be a theocracy to be a Christian country.

That being said, we've drifted terribly from the founders' vision of a "moral and religious people". It is for that reason that we are seeing the communo-fascists rise in influence. One god must replace Another, since we are designed to need something bigger than ourselves.
 
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Gojira

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I think you should elaborate on what you deem to be unjust FBI raids. It’s not in the interest of the nation to be undermining its institutions.
Trump's home was raided for something that they refuse to go after Biden for. But, you knew that.

Giuliani's home was raided.

James O'Keefe's home was raided.

These are all people who oppose the Leftists. Meanwhile, Joe Biden also has classified docs, but he's not under any charges or indictment. James O'Keefe opposes the Leftists, questions the integrity of the 2020 election, and his home gets raided. Giuliani has a laptop with a journal or diary or something on it by someone attached to a Democrat (forget the details), and for this his home is raided.

In other news, Douglass Mackey writes a meme that gets him thrown into prison for 7 months. Kristina Wong, who did precisely the same thing as Mackey, but towards Republicans, is not even questioned.

People who were invited into, and later broke into the Capitol building (and evidence is mounting that there were at least 200 FBI agents in the crowd instigating them to do so), are STILL being held, three years later. But, people who burned our cities, killing 35 people and causing $2,000,000,000 in property damage are called peaceful protesters and facing nothing.

That this imbalance escapes you speaks volumes to the perspectives you've expressed here. You are obviously listening to your enemies in the media and trusting them. You obviously have liberal-ish leanings (I've seen your posts defending Black History Month). Your perspective is wrong and misguided, and this is truly troubling since you identify as a Christian.
 
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Gojira

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Your analysis is left wanting .....
Majorly.

I cannot possibly address this treatise, but I will start with the first point: Hitler was no Christian. He put up the face to gain the trust of the German people. But, he hated Christianity. Why? Because he saw it as a religion of the weak. It protects the poor and sick and those who cannot help themselves, people who degrade the genetic stock of Germans -- according to ol' Adolf.

To further illustrate this -- and I do not recall the bishop's name -- he was faced by a German bishop who had praise for Hitler's socialistic aims, but not his desire to replace his own image for Christ's in schools and churches. Hitler reportedly blew up at him and said, "Germans were around long before Christianity, and will be around long after it's gone!"

Sorry, he was not only not a Christian, but anti-Christian.
 
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So you are telling me when they Nazi's seized power in Germany they socialized all their industry and did not receive any money from big business?

The piece you are missing Mr. Gojira is that political theorists, those who create the ideologies use these terms to mean different things.

It is nearly impossible to understand the Communist Manifesto unless one untangles the terminology and understands the underlying meanings of the words.

So the political spectrum line that was posted was correct for its time.

That is what the political spectrum looked like as different political theories were emerging and being developed at the turn of the last century, however the political spectrum does not reflect what actually occurs in practice since most systems have a mix and ideas/terms have evolved.
No, it's true that there's no such thing as an "ideal" communism, e.g., because there cannot be one. People aren't wired that way for such a system to exist for any length of time. Hitler's regime did allow private businesses to exist because socialism wasn't generating wealth (it's not a wealth-generation system, as he soon learned). But, you can rest assured that Volkswagen and others were not the ones barking orders to the regime, but instead had to follow the orders of it. Otherwise, they would have ceased to exist.

I refuse to label fascism as RW because I as a conservative have nothing in common with it. Nothing. Even in my nationalism I am not fascistic, because for the fascist, even nationalism is interpreted differently.
 
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Gojira

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It’s not in the interest of the nation to be undermining its institutions.
It is in the best interests of the people, however, to always be skeptical of authority. It is "we the people", not "you the State".

Jefferson even went so far as to suggest that a revolution should happen every 20 years or so. (Someone got a more precise quote on that?) Now, I'd never go that far and I disagree with that extreme statement. However, his overall thought should be taken to heart, that people are corrupt, and therefore our institutions are open to morally falling apart as well.