Christian Singer Comes Out

[Yeraza_Bats]

The only reason you have to ha against homosexuality is that it's unbiblical. Divorce is also unbibclical. If anyone is to take you seriously, you must also campaign for divorce to be illegal. but to do so would be stupendously pointless. removed , and you'd see an inevitable backlash. If you won't campaign for divorce to be illegal, you are a hypocrite and a person who pick a and chooses what parts of the good book they want to follow.

That adds your credibilty up to zero.

You know, these kinda people go on and on about how its wrong to generalize people, but they do FAR MORE generalizing than anyone else : p Everyone of this persons posts here were "you believe because the bible says, you dont understand the real word and you have never questioned anything, and you have always just done whatever the bible says", even when you tell him you were not a follower of Christ at first but lived as the earth does, he just ignores you and continues to categorize you like this : p

They have no actual arguments, they just throw you into some offensive generalization and keep telling themselves this in order to reassure themselves they know everything : p

 

[kaylagrl]

Oddly enough when Jesus walked the earth He never condemned homosexual behavior. Now I know many will say that since Jesus is God and the bible does call it a sin that He did indeed condemn it but doesn't it seem reasonable that if He thought it as important as many here seem to deem it He would have said something about it? I am not an expert on homosexuality nor do I know many homosexuals but it seems to me that the people who this bothers so much must be projecting some inner feelings about the issue. Perhaps like the orlando shooter (apparently) those who beat the drum the loudest are actually doing so to mask something they are battling in themselves. Either way, bashing anyone who is not a Christian is surely no way to convert anyone.

Quote " if He thought it as important as many here seem to deem it He would have said something about it? "

Ummm OT calls it an abomination, dont think there was much He could say to top that. Also,that was a different day in age. They didn't have a gay agenda that was trying to make the church accept them as they are and say God is ok with homosexuality. I think Jesus would have had a thing or two to say about it.


Quote " it seems to me that the people who this bothers so much must be projecting some inner feelings about the issue."

Thats really a judgement call. If someone wants to be gay,go be gay. But if you want me to accept your lifestyle,we have a problem. {I dont mean you of course} Marriage is sacred, its the foundation of the family. When we accept gay marriage as ok we are going against Gods plan for the family which is the fabric of society. And they will expect the church to accept the lifestyle and not preach against it. It will be next on the agenda. So there are no inner feelings. We need to be light and salt.

Quote "Perhaps like the orlando shooter (apparently) those who beat the drum the loudest are actually doing so to mask something they are battling in themselves"

Once again that is a judgement call on your part and simply not true. And comparing anyone here to the shooter is rather offensive.


Quote "Either way, bashing anyone who is not a Christian is surely no way to convert anyone."

And there is that word again,bashing. Since when is telling someone the truth about sin "bashing"? How can one be saved if they don't know the truth, that their sin is separating them from God. Why is this considered bashing? If thats true every evangelist out there, not to mention missionaries, need to hang up their Bibles and go home.

A missionary came to our church from Venezuela. That country is in a terrible state right now. He met a young man walking the streets and selling his body, he was gay. This pastor told him about the Lord and that what he was doing was sin and it would separate him from God and send him to hell. He got saved. Hi sold friends would come by and taunt him and say that he would be back to selling his body,but he never did. He contracted AIDS and his funeral was packed when he passed. He had testified to many of his friends over the years and at his funeral,they became saved. The truth sets you free. PC doesn't free anyone.

 

[notuptome]

Oddly enough when Jesus walked the earth He never condemned homosexual behavior. Now I know many will say that since Jesus is God and the bible does call it a sin that He did indeed condemn it but doesn't it seem reasonable that if He thought it as important as many here seem to deem it He would have said something about it? I am not an expert on homosexuality nor do I know many homosexuals but it seems to me that the people who this bothers so much must be projecting some inner feelings about the issue. Perhaps like the orlando shooter (apparently) those who beat the drum the loudest are actually doing so to mask something they are battling in themselves. Either way, bashing anyone who is not a Christian is surely no way to convert anyone.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Mitspa]

Oddly enough when Jesus walked the earth He never condemned homosexual behavior. Now I know many will say that since Jesus is God and the bible does call it a sin that He did indeed condemn it but doesn't it seem reasonable that if He thought it as important as many here seem to deem it He would have said something about it? I am not an expert on homosexuality nor do I know many homosexuals but it seems to me that the people who this bothers so much must be projecting some inner feelings about the issue. Perhaps like the orlando shooter (apparently) those who beat the drum the loudest are actually doing so to mask something they are battling in themselves. Either way, bashing anyone who is not a Christian is surely no way to convert anyone.

This is just so silly... Of course Jesus confronted gays and all other sexual deviants ..its called the bible! And if someone rejects the gay agenda and upholds the biblical standards written in evident words..they must be a closet queer? How insane!

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Oddly enough when Jesus walked the earth He never condemned homosexual behavior. Now I know many will say that since Jesus is God and the bible does call it a sin that He did indeed condemn it but doesn't it seem reasonable that if He thought it as important as many here seem to deem it He would have said something about it? I am not an expert on homosexuality nor do I know many homosexuals but it seems to me that the people who this bothers so much must be projecting some inner feelings about the issue. Perhaps like the orlando shooter (apparently) those who beat the drum the loudest are actually doing so to mask something they are battling in themselves. Either way, bashing anyone who is not a Christian is surely no way to convert anyone.

I love how when a Christian stands up for truth it is called bashing? But when another religion has issues with something we need to be tolerant? No one worries about being tolerant toward Christians; I wonder why that is? Maybe because Satan hates the truth and his followers hate it just as much?

Everyone on this forum sins and has their own issues. But as a true believer in Christ we don't make excuses for our sins. We make attempts, with the help of God, to make sure we stay focused on Him and keep away from our sins. That is the huge difference between a true Christian and someone who claims they are Christians. There is a homosexual agenda to claim homosexuality is ok and that it isn't a sin. There is no agenda like this for murderers, adulterers, pedophiles etc...

Also, Christians don't convert anyone, that is the Holy Spirits job. We are here to preach the Word of God and that is what most of us are doing here. If it hurts your ears then many there is something wrong with your walk with the Lord? The bible specifically states "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires," 2 Tim 4:3. I can guarantee you that there are a lot of ears tickling with false preaching and beliefs about homosexuality.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Well, let's see, so far im silly, insane,PC and an ear tickler.....WOOT WOOT ruffle those feathers!!! Always better to attack then defend. ok 1 by 1. Ummm OT calls it an abomination, dont think there was much He could say to top that. Also,that was a different day in age. They didn't have a gay agenda that was trying to make the church accept them as they are and say God is ok with homosexuality. I think Jesus would have had a thing or two to say about it....So you've never heard of going greek?? Homosexuality was if anything much more common before and in Jesus time than it is now.All i'm saying is if Jesus considered it to be as important as many here seem to think it is isn't it likely He would have addressed it when He was walking the earth? 2 This is just so silly... Of course Jesus confronted gays and all other sexual deviants ..its called the bible! And if someone rejects the gay agenda and upholds the biblical standards written in evident words..they must be a closet queer? How insane! The orlando shooter was apparently gay. What I am saying is that which we see and hate the most inside of ourselves is often what we will hate the most. This is a common human reaction. 3 I can guarantee you that there are a lot of ears tickling with false preaching and beliefs about homosexuality. You can't guarantee anything, you may post verses you cherry pick to try and justify your position, but that isn't proof. Also what about the great commission? I think uplifting one another is in there as well. The false preaching you speak of is anyone who instead of preaching the gospel uses hate or fear to keep followers.
As to being PC thats too funny. PC here would be to remain quiet while allowing the biggest lie the devil ever told to be taught here as truth. "You'll be worthy if......you attack the unpopular, you don't sin, you do your best" None of those make us worthy,we are made worthy by Jesus Christ. Any preaching and teaching that doesn't say that is simply wrong. Gotta go, I look forward to your responses.

 

[jennymae]

Well, let's see, so far im silly, insane,PC and an ear tickler.....WOOT WOOT ruffle those feathers!!! Always better to attack then defend. ok 1 by 1. Ummm OT calls it an abomination, dont think there was much He could say to top that. Also,that was a different day in age. They didn't have a gay agenda that was trying to make the church accept them as they are and say God is ok with homosexuality. I think Jesus would have had a thing or two to say about it....So you've never heard of going greek?? Homosexuality was if anything much more common before and in Jesus time than it is now.All i'm saying is if Jesus considered it to be as important as many here seem to think it is isn't it likely He would have addressed it when He was walking the earth? 2 This is just so silly... Of course Jesus confronted gays and all other sexual deviants ..its called the bible! And if someone rejects the gay agenda and upholds the biblical standards written in evident words..they must be a closet queer? How insane! The orlando shooter was apparently gay. What I am saying is that which we see and hate the most inside of ourselves is often what we will hate the most. This is a common human reaction. 3 I can guarantee you that there are a lot of ears tickling with false preaching and beliefs about homosexuality. You can't guarantee anything, you may post verses you cherry pick to try and justify your position, but that isn't proof. Also what about the great commission? I think uplifting one another is in there as well. The false preaching you speak of is anyone who instead of preaching the gospel uses hate or fear to keep followers.
As to being PC thats too funny. PC here would be to remain quiet while allowing the biggest lie the devil ever told to be taught here as truth. "You'll be worthy if......you attack the unpopular, you don't sin, you do your best" None of those make us worthy,we are made worthy by Jesus Christ. Any preaching and teaching that doesn't say that is simply wrong. Gotta go, I look forward to your responses.

After reading this I'm not sure whether you are endorsing homosexuality or if you're against it...maybe some paragraphs would make reading this easier?

 

[FlSnookman7]

Well, let's see, so far im silly, insane,PC and an ear tickler.....WOOT WOOT ruffle those feathers!!! Always better to attack then defend. ok 1 by 1. "Ummm OT calls it an abomination, dont think there was much He could say to top that. Also,that was a different day in age. They didn't have a gay agenda that was trying to make the church accept them as they are and say God is ok with homosexuality." I think Jesus would have had a thing or two to say about it....So you've never heard of going greek?? Homosexuality was if anything much more common before and in Jesus time than it is now.All i'm saying is if Jesus considered it to be as important as many here seem to think it is isn't it likely He would have addressed it when He was walking the earth? 2 "This is just so silly... Of course Jesus confronted gays and all other sexual deviants ..its called the bible! And if someone rejects the gay agenda and upholds the biblical standards written in evident words..they must be a closet queer? How insane!" The orlando shooter was apparently gay. What I am saying is that which we see and hate the most inside of ourselves is often what we will hate the most. This is a common human reaction. 3 "I can guarantee you that there are a lot of ears tickling with false preaching and beliefs about homosexuality." You can't guarantee anything, you may post verses you cherry pick to try and justify your position, but that isn't proof. Also what about the great commission? I think uplifting one another is in there as well. The false preaching you speak of is anyone who instead of preaching the gospel uses hate or fear to keep followers.
As to being PC thats too funny. PC here would be to remain quiet while allowing the biggest lie the devil ever told to be taught here as truth. "You'll be worthy if......you attack the unpopular, you don't sin, you do your best" None of those make us worthy,we are made worthy by Jesus Christ. Any preaching and teaching that doesn't say that is simply wrong. Gotta go, I look forward to your responses.


Sorry jennymae, hope this hopes, though I do not endorse homosexuality I also do not endorse any faith that is based on fear and hate.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Well, let's see, so far im silly, insane,PC and an ear tickler.....WOOT WOOT ruffle those feathers!!! Always better to attack then defend. ok 1 by 1. "Ummm OT calls it an abomination, dont think there was much He could say to top that. Also,that was a different day in age. They didn't have a gay agenda that was trying to make the church accept them as they are and say God is ok with homosexuality." I think Jesus would have had a thing or two to say about it....So you've never heard of going greek?? Homosexuality was if anything much more common before and in Jesus time than it is now.All i'm saying is if Jesus considered it to be as important as many here seem to think it is isn't it likely He would have addressed it when He was walking the earth? 2 "This is just so silly... Of course Jesus confronted gays and all other sexual deviants ..its called the bible! And if someone rejects the gay agenda and upholds the biblical standards written in evident words..they must be a closet queer? How insane!" The orlando shooter was apparently gay. What I am saying is that which we see and hate the most inside of ourselves is often what we will hate the most. This is a common human reaction. 3 "I can guarantee you that there are a lot of ears tickling with false preaching and beliefs about homosexuality." You can't guarantee anything, you may post verses you cherry pick to try and justify your position, but that isn't proof. Also what about the great commission? I think uplifting one another is in there as well. The false preaching you speak of is anyone who instead of preaching the gospel uses hate or fear to keep followers.
As to being PC thats too funny. PC here would be to remain quiet while allowing the biggest lie the devil ever told to be taught here as truth. "You'll be worthy if......you attack the unpopular, you don't sin, you do your best" None of those make us worthy,we are made worthy by Jesus Christ. Any preaching and teaching that doesn't say that is simply wrong. Gotta go, I look forward to your responses.


Sorry jennymae, hope this hopes, though I do not endorse homosexuality I also do not endorse any faith that is based on fear and hate.

Well then this pretty much explains where you are at. The bible tells us to fear God and only God. God Hates sin so therefore we hate sin as well, to include our own sin.

 

[FlSnookman7]

"Well then this pretty much explains where you are at. The bible tells us to fear God and only God. God Hates sin so therefore we hate sin as well, to include our own sin."

When the Word says to "fear" the Lord, it isn't saying to be afraid of God. The word that is in those verses translates to awe, and anyone who knows God will be in awe of Him. I do understand that many churches teach from the fear or your a sinner and not worthy side, but this is to maintain control and not the gospel of Jesus Christ. The gospel of Jesus Christ says we are the righteousness of God in Christ right here and now.See 1 John 4:17 or Phillipians 3:20. You can't earn the love of God through fear,works or "good" behavior. These things are results of salvation not pathways to it. There is only one who saves and His name is Jesus Christ. Also the gospel of Jesus Christ tells me to NOT be afraid many many times.
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[WarriorForChrist]

Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge"

 

[Mitspa]

Well, let's see, so far im silly, insane,PC and an ear tickler.....WOOT WOOT ruffle those feathers!!! Always better to attack then defend. ok 1 by 1. Ummm OT calls it an abomination, dont think there was much He could say to top that. Also,that was a different day in age. They didn't have a gay agenda that was trying to make the church accept them as they are and say God is ok with homosexuality. I think Jesus would have had a thing or two to say about it....So you've never heard of going greek?? Homosexuality was if anything much more common before and in Jesus time than it is now.All i'm saying is if Jesus considered it to be as important as many here seem to think it is isn't it likely He would have addressed it when He was walking the earth? 2 This is just so silly... Of course Jesus confronted gays and all other sexual deviants ..its called the bible! And if someone rejects the gay agenda and upholds the biblical standards written in evident words..they must be a closet queer? How insane! The orlando shooter was apparently gay. What I am saying is that which we see and hate the most inside of ourselves is often what we will hate the most. This is a common human reaction. 3 I can guarantee you that there are a lot of ears tickling with false preaching and beliefs about homosexuality. You can't guarantee anything, you may post verses you cherry pick to try and justify your position, but that isn't proof. Also what about the great commission? I think uplifting one another is in there as well. The false preaching you speak of is anyone who instead of preaching the gospel uses hate or fear to keep followers.
As to being PC thats too funny. PC here would be to remain quiet while allowing the biggest lie the devil ever told to be taught here as truth. "You'll be worthy if......you attack the unpopular, you don't sin, you do your best" None of those make us worthy,we are made worthy by Jesus Christ. Any preaching and teaching that doesn't say that is simply wrong. Gotta go, I look forward to your responses.

You seem ignorant of the fact that the bible ..old and new testament are the very words of Jesus ...in fact Jesus is the Word ... So the New Testament (Jesus) is very clear and evident that this behavior is unacceptable under any standard at any time.

To call sound and evident biblical doctrine "fear or hate" proves that you don't understand the bible ..the true love of God or the fear of God and His righteous judgment through Jesus Christ.

 

[zeroturbulence]

So did it improve his singing??

 

[kaylagrl]

So did it improve his singing??

I doubt it...

 

[DoubtingSam]

Obviously he's not a true christian and has been living an absolute lie. YOU CANNOT be gay AND a christian at the same time.

I don't agree with this at all. Matt Chandler's church in Dallas has a small group for people that struggle with same sex attraction. If you struggle with this, you are gay. I have never been tempted in the least by this, it repulses me just like it repulses every other straight person. But I think that making blanket statements like this is neither Christlike nor helpful. I think it actually just causes people to feel more hopeless. I think we need to extend grace and be very careful about commenting about things we know little or nothing about.

I was wounded in a major way by a pastor that did just that. It caused me to completely run away from the Church or anything Christian at all. It was just too painful. When you attribute people's words as an extension of God's words, it can really damage you emotionally. My struggle is with OCD. It's a very real struggle that affects every aspect of my life, and is a personal hell. For a long time, I kept this part of myself private. But as I started to open up to people I trusted, I was accepted and loved. I was on my way to accepting myself. Then I told my pastor. He knew nothing at all and don't think he had ever even heard of OCD, but he told me that it was a sin, and I needed to repent. It hurts even now, 15 years later. I'm sure his intentions were good, but he caused a lot of hurt, and it was completely wrong for him to do that.

I don't know why the Church demonizes homosexuality like it's an unredeemable sin. We go to porn conventions and tell porn stars that Jesus loves them, and some get saved. But all we ever do is judge homosexuals. I don't know about you, but I have plenty of sin, including sexual sin, in my past and present. And no doubt, my future also. Making war against sin is a daily choice, but we will always have failures. It's rumored that Rich Mullins struggled with homosexuality and I think it's been confirmed that he had major struggles with alcohol. I also think that he loved God and influenced the world with his music. Was he not a Christian because he struggled with sin? Homosexuality is a difficult issue that we need to be very careful about. If someone is gay, they are going to struggle with it for the rest of their lives, no matter their intentions. It is wrong, no doubt. We shouldn't encourage someone to just live out a gay lifestyle like it sounds like Rob Bell did. But the call to salvation goes out to all, and Jesus looked at the multitudes and was moved with compassion for them. We need to love them and offer them the Gospel. Let God deal with their homosexual issues over the course of their lives, just like he deals with our heterosexual issues and the multitude of other sins that we are each prone to in our uniqueness.

 

[Mitspa]

I don't agree with this at all. Matt Chandler's church in Dallas has a small group for people that struggle with same sex attraction. If you struggle with this, you are gay. I have never been tempted in the least by this, it repulses me just like it repulses every other straight person. But I think that making blanket statements like this is neither Christlike nor helpful. I think it actually just causes people to feel more hopeless. I think we need to extend grace and be very careful about commenting about things we know little or nothing about.

I was wounded in a major way by a pastor that did just that. It caused me to completely run away from the Church or anything Christian at all. It was just too painful. When you attribute people's words as an extension of God's words, it can really damage you emotionally. My struggle is with OCD. It's a very real struggle that affects every aspect of my life, and is a personal hell. For a long time, I kept this part of myself private. But as I started to open up to people I trusted, I was accepted and loved. I was on my way to accepting myself. Then I told my pastor. He knew nothing at all and don't think he had ever even heard of OCD, but he told me that it was a sin, and I needed to repent. It hurts even now, 15 years later. I'm sure his intentions were good, but he caused a lot of hurt, and it was completely wrong for him to do that.

I don't know why the Church demonizes homosexuality like it's an unredeemable sin. We go to porn conventions and tell porn stars that Jesus loves them, and some get saved. But all we ever do is judge homosexuals. I don't know about you, but I have plenty of sin, including sexual sin, in my past and present. And no doubt, my future also. Making war against sin is a daily choice, but we will always have failures. It's rumored that Rich Mullins struggled with homosexuality and I think it's been confirmed that he had major struggles with alcohol. I also think that he loved God and influenced the world with his music. Was he not a Christian because he struggled with sin? Homosexuality is a difficult issue that we need to be very careful about. If someone is gay, they are going to struggle with it for the rest of their lives, no matter their intentions. It is wrong, no doubt. We shouldn't encourage someone to just live out a gay lifestyle like it sounds like Rob Bell did. But the call to salvation goes out to all, and Jesus looked at the multitudes and was moved with compassion for them. We need to love them and offer them the Gospel. Let God deal with their homosexual issues over the course of their lives, just like he deals with our heterosexual issues and the multitude of other sins that we are each prone to in our uniqueness.

To struggle with same sex attraction as a Christian who is resisting the devil..deserves all our compassion... To deny the holiness of Christ and claim that Christ justifies sexual perversion by claiming to be a "gay" Christian ..is completely unacceptable and a person cannot be allowed to call themselves a "gay" Christian and be accepted in fellowship. There are certain spiritual laws at work here that you seem to be missing and it cannot be that a person can call themselves a gay Christian ...that's impossible and that's a lie

 

[DoubtingSam]

To struggle with same sex attraction as a Christian who is resisting the devil..deserves all our compassion... To deny the holiness of Christ and claim that Christ justifies sexual perversion by claiming to be a "gay" Christian ..is completely unacceptable and a person cannot be allowed to call themselves a "gay" Christian and be accepted in fellowship. There are certain spiritual laws at work here that you seem to be missing and it cannot be that a person can call themselves a gay Christian ...that's impossible and that's a lie

It's just a word. If a guy told me he is attracted to guys, then I would say he's gay. You would say he's either gay or "struggling with same sex attraction." You can be gay and be a Christian.

"No temptation has seized you, except what is common to man." This is a different animal. This is not common to man. I am a man, and I like women. I like them an awful lot. My desire for women will always be there. How can I relate to a man that feels that way towards men? I can't. He can't control the strange desire, but he can deal with it and war against it. And he can be a gay Christian.

 

[DoubtingSam]

To struggle with same sex attraction as a Christian who is resisting the devil..deserves all our compassion... To deny the holiness of Christ and claim that Christ justifies sexual perversion by claiming to be a "gay" Christian ..is completely unacceptable and a person cannot be allowed to call themselves a "gay" Christian and be accepted in fellowship. There are certain spiritual laws at work here that you seem to be missing and it cannot be that a person can call themselves a gay Christian ...that's impossible and that's a lie

I have no idea if this singer is a Christian or not. If he is, he will not be able to indulge in his desires without conviction. But I know that I didn't lose my salvation when I was hanging out in strip clubs, so we can't judge this guy and say that he is not a Christian, just because he is caught up in a sinful lifestyle at the moment.

 

[DoubtingSam]

To struggle with same sex attraction as a Christian who is resisting the devil..deserves all our compassion... To deny the holiness of Christ and claim that Christ justifies sexual perversion by claiming to be a "gay" Christian ..is completely unacceptable and a person cannot be allowed to call themselves a "gay" Christian and be accepted in fellowship. There are certain spiritual laws at work here that you seem to be missing and it cannot be that a person can call themselves a gay Christian ...that's impossible and that's a lie

As a single person, it's incredibly difficult for me to suppress what feels natural and is indeed called natural by God. Imagine being gay, and knowing that you can't righteously act on what feels natural to you. And you get labeled and shamed into believing that you're vile, disgusting, sick.......all that does is fuel the shame that they already feel. And shame is about as painful an emotion as there is.

 

[CS1]

It's just a word. If a guy told me he is attracted to guys, then I would say he's gay. You would say he's either gay or "struggling with same sex attraction." You can be gay and be a Christian.

"No temptation has seized you, except what is common to man." This is a different animal. This is not common to man. I am a man, and I like women. I like them an awful lot. My desire for women will always be there. How can I relate to a man that feels that way towards men? I can't. He can't control the strange desire, but he can deal with it and war against it. And he can be a gay Christian.

your point is very interesting but it is not sound teaching I say that respectfully, and the reason why is because you suggest that the person who is attracted to a person of the same sex is gay. That is not true. that is no more true the a married man attracted to a women who he is not married to. The temptation is an appeal to the sinful nature of the flesh both homosexuality, adultery, and fornication . You can not be gay and a christian because God did not make gay. a person can be christian and have struggles in the flesh but that is not who they are t...hat is what they did. Gal 5:1 a willful act of sin and disobedience to GOD and HIS word. We cannot justify sin by pointing out another sin. the idea that one is gay and a christian is just not biblical the truth that Christians who practice sin including homosexuality are willfully sinning and that is not good the bible tell them we are to repent TURN away from it. there is no acceptance by God for it nor does HE endorse it, nor did HE create people that way.