Civil war coming to America?

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In the event of a coup or a takeover, would you take up arms to restore lawful authority to America?

  • Yes. I would take up arms until every last traitor was rounded up and put on trial.

    Votes: 5 17.2%
  • Yes, but in a limited manner. I would take up arms to protect my community from traitors.

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • No, I would not take up arms, unless my family was directly threatened.

    Votes: 5 17.2%
  • No, I would not take up arms. All forms of killing are sin.

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • Other. The above actions do not properly describe the action I would take.

    Votes: 15 51.7%

  • Total voters
    29

Moses_Young

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As an interested onlooker into American politics, it seems to me that every trick in the book is being tried to depose what seems to be legitimately elected leaders (primarily Donald Trump, but other leaders also).

One thing I admire about America's political system is its Second Amendment - the right and responsibility of the citizens to hold the government to account, via the use of force if necessary, if the government starts to act illegally.

However, as Christians, whose kingdom and true King are not of this world, in the event of a political coup by the popular Communist party, or an assassination, or false flag nuclear attack, or some other underhanded tactic, would it be better to let the world deal with the affairs of the world, or as citizens of America, would it be best to fulfill one's responsibilities to restore lawful government to the country?

I ask, because many of the members of the opposing party (e.g. Hillary Clinton), are clearly non-Christians, and would likely go to an eternity in hell were they to die in any coup attempt or subsequent civil war. However, the bible clearly states in Romans that the government of a country does not bear the sword in vain, so it may almost be a dereliction of one's duty and justice, in the event of a coup or takeover and in light of the Second Amendment, if the leaders of the coup were not brought to trial by those holding the ultimate authority - the American citizens.

I trust the above was not offensive, and would be interested to hear Christian responses to (what will hopefully remain) such a hypothetical situation.
 

Blade

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Hmm I know the Father will hold us accountable to every word we say. I know what our forefathers said about this nation and how they USE to pray. This nation is not going anywhere and GOD is making sure of it. Oh there is more GOOD things coming. Will help this nation but will not be good for some on both sides. See I personally believe God heard US that stood in the gap for this nation :)
 

Roughsoul1991

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As an interested onlooker into American politics, it seems to me that every trick in the book is being tried to depose what seems to be legitimately elected leaders (primarily Donald Trump, but other leaders also).

One thing I admire about America's political system is its Second Amendment - the right and responsibility of the citizens to hold the government to account, via the use of force if necessary, if the government starts to act illegally.

However, as Christians, whose kingdom and true King are not of this world, in the event of a political coup by the popular Communist party, or an assassination, or false flag nuclear attack, or some other underhanded tactic, would it be better to let the world deal with the affairs of the world, or as citizens of America, would it be best to fulfill one's responsibilities to restore lawful government to the country?

I ask, because many of the members of the opposing party (e.g. Hillary Clinton), are clearly non-Christians, and would likely go to an eternity in hell were they to die in any coup attempt or subsequent civil war. However, the bible clearly states in Romans that the government of a country does not bear the sword in vain, so it may almost be a dereliction of one's duty and justice, in the event of a coup or takeover and in light of the Second Amendment, if the leaders of the coup were not brought to trial by those holding the ultimate authority - the American citizens.

I trust the above was not offensive, and would be interested to hear Christian responses to (what will hopefully remain) such a hypothetical situation.
US Declaration of independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.



Only time will provide the answer to such questions as if a civil war is on the rise. That is a event that cannot be predicted. This country has seen very hostile divisions in the past but yet they never caused a Civil war. That is one of those events that no one is prepared to morally handle until they are faced directly with it. At that point you have only 3 options. Fight, flee, or become subjected to which power may win. Our last civil war was fought mostly over slavery and many Christians fought in the war to end slavery and felt morally right as slavery was a great evil and a justifiable act to wage war over.

So really it will be a in the moment choice every individual must make. Praying it never reaches that conclusion because once we fail to peacefully and politically handle our problems then we will only be left with blood, tears, and scars that a country may never heal from.
 

tanakh

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I am more concerned about the prospect of a world war at present. Anyone who thinks the Iran regime will just ''sit on their hands'' and do nothing because Trump has sent a few tweets are in for a huge reality shock
 

jacob_g

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However, as Christians, whose kingdom and true King are not of this world, in the event of a political coup by the popular Communist party, or an assassination, or false flag nuclear attack, or some other underhanded tactic, would it be better to let the world deal with the affairs of the world, or as citizens of America, would it be best to fulfill one's responsibilities to restore lawful government to the country?
My best friend, in college, grew up in the the country of Georgia, when it was a part of the former U.S.S.R. She talked about standing in "bread" lines, lines for everything. I hated going shopping with her because she would goo-goo over cloths that sparkled or had pretty colors; when I was ready to move on. But everything they had to wear was gray or dark colors. Needless to say here in America, you could see Oksana a mile away in her sparkly/ bright cloths...lol... She and her family defected here because they were Christians.

This place (Earth) is thempery for Christians and we live in temporary tens as sojourners here, yet we temperley live here on (Earth) these tents get hungry if we don't feed them, it is painful if we are martyred.... beaten for being Christians ...... atleast as Americans most don't have to worry about getting caught at an underground church, since they reject church now that we are free to go.... Look at what is happening to Christians in China... the Middle East...

YES WE FIGHT!!!! What other country on the face of the Earth has such great freedoms as we/ USA do!?!
 

jacob_g

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I am more concerned about the prospect of a world war at present. Anyone who thinks the Iran regime will just ''sit on their hands'' and do nothing because Trump has sent a few tweets are in for a huge reality shock
How many more deaths of Iranians and Americans would be acceptable to you?

What you said is democratic propaganda.... are we at war? Iran is figuring out what to do, they have NOT declared war. We do not need troops on the ground to take them out.
 

tanakh

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How many more deaths of Iranians and Americans would be acceptable to you?

What you said is democratic propaganda.... are we at war? Iran is figuring out what to do, they have NOT declared war. We do not need troops on the ground to take them out.
What a strange response. No deaths are acceptable to me that's why I am concerned with the current situation. The UK has four hundred troops in Iraq. In the eyes of the Iranian government the UK and the US are one of the same. We have UK citizens
imprisoned in Iran and we rely on the straits of Hormuz to obtain Oil and Gas.

You say Iran has not declared war. Do you expect them to tweet a declaration any day soon? Otherwise what exactly are you waiting
from them to indicate their intentions? Iran would not have a direct confrontation with the US they would use groups like Hezbollah
to stage attacks in the Middle East and around the world. The Tehran regime is not a conventional government body they are religious
fanatics that think death in battle is something to aspire to. Once the mourning period for their so called Martyrs is over you can expect the repercussions to start.

Both the UK and US are part of the UN Security Council we should have attempted to resolve the situation with Iran there before
risking WW3. Remember WW1 was caused by one assassination. History tends to repeat itself.
 
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It is not possible to overcome Christians. If we seek God's will, the enemies of God and the Bible will be routed completely and without any resistance possible.

Just review the accounts in the Bible, such as Elijah taking on the 400 or so pagans. And Jesus overcoming every demon and enemy in His way with only a word or action. And Paul, defeating every enemy, supernatural or of man.

The enemies of God, and of Christ, are already defeated. We as Christians just have to ask for help to believe the truth and obey the Bible, and dismiss every threat, like the words of Peter:. "ignore their threats."
And Jesus:. "Be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."
"My strength is perfected in weakness."

So the weaker we may feel, the more defeated our enemies are, as long as we know who the enemies are, and that the power of God, should not be directed at wounded sheep, but at the powers of evil.

Does that answer your question?
 
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EleventhHour

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I am more concerned about the prospect of a world war at present. Anyone who thinks the Iran regime will just ''sit on their hands'' and do nothing because Trump has sent a few tweets are in for a huge reality shock
Definitely worrisome things may escalate and quickly.
 

Lightskin

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Throughout my life I have often prayed, asking God to bless me in a manner by which I never have to take anyone’s life. God has always answered my prayers by blessing me with protection and peace, however the time may have arrived for me to ask God for the overwhelming ability to conquer any enemy by any means necessary.
 

dodgingstones

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I yearn for the coming chaos.....

MARANATHA!

Come quick Lord.....

Put an end to this flat earth!!
 

MattforJesus

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As an interested onlooker into American politics, it seems to me that every trick in the book is being tried to depose what seems to be legitimately elected leaders (primarily Donald Trump, but other leaders also).

One thing I admire about America's political system is its Second Amendment - the right and responsibility of the citizens to hold the government to account, via the use of force if necessary, if the government starts to act illegally.

However, as Christians, whose kingdom and true King are not of this world, in the event of a political coup by the popular Communist party, or an assassination, or false flag nuclear attack, or some other underhanded tactic, would it be better to let the world deal with the affairs of the world, or as citizens of America, would it be best to fulfill one's responsibilities to restore lawful government to the country?

I ask, because many of the members of the opposing party (e.g. Hillary Clinton), are clearly non-Christians, and would likely go to an eternity in hell were they to die in any coup attempt or subsequent civil war. However, the bible clearly states in Romans that the government of a country does not bear the sword in vain, so it may almost be a dereliction of one's duty and justice, in the event of a coup or takeover and in light of the Second Amendment, if the leaders of the coup were not brought to trial by those holding the ultimate authority - the American citizens.

I trust the above was not offensive, and would be interested to hear Christian responses to (what will hopefully remain) such a hypothetical situation.
Christians are not to take a life or to fight physically regardless of the situation, and no government or power can rule unless God allows it.

It is the end time so what is the purpose of America which it appears as if it is to start a separation of those who love God, and those who do not love God, although they are doing it on their own, by allowing fleshy pleasures, the love of money which is the root of all evil, and worldliness to be gobbled up by those who do not love God, and influencing the world with that attitude ensnaring them even more, and the Gospel being preached in the nation and the world to those who love God and accept the truth.

For the plan is to try to gather the world together to establish a kingdom which the new age movement will pave the way to that kingdom which is based on the occult, and evolution.

On the back of the dollar bill announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many one, and that symbol is an occult symbol.

The Hegel System- sets up 2 opposing forces, gets everyone involved, brings them together.

1.Thesis- America and that type of system.

2.Anti-thesis- Russia and that type of system.

3.Synthesis- back to the first but in a higher form as they get people used to both sides and blend them together.

The new age movement- Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but evolved spiritually to be an ascended master and avatar, acknowledge no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature the evolutionary process in which they believe people are still evolving and will evolve to be spiritual.

The new age movement, atheist, but spiritual, higher power nature.

America- spiritual, belief in a higher power, religious, Russia- atheist, and let that go on for a while as they display both sides.

America takes prayer out of school and teaches evolution, Russia allows Christianity.

Gets the world used to both sides as being correct that there is a higher power the force of nature, and they can evolve to be spiritual, but atheist, no personal God.

For America and Russia are working together to establish the new age movement in the world atheist, but spiritual as they can evolve to be godlike, and the New Age Christ as God for they believe he will evolve higher than any other person.

Republican and Democrat, Right Wing and Left Wing is also a Hegel principle, which they will also start to compromise as they get people used to both sides also to make a better system.

They also believe in controlled conflict brings about controlled change, or constructive chaos.

So America is probably destined to fall on purpose, and the more problems they can add to her the more they can make a change to fit the plan to establish the new age movement.

So they would want immigration to get out of hand, and for whites and blacks to be at each other's throats, and involve America in wars, and have scandals, and corruption, and civil unrest, and the government looking bad.

For it appears as if America is like the occult mythical Phoenix bird that goes in to flames, and then out of it's ashes arises a new Phoenix bird, like the Hegel System back to the first after the synthesis of Thesis and Anti-thesis, for America falling will mean she will not work for peace in the world like she used to do, and not the world leader in certain things, causing the nations to step it up to start taking initiative to start working for peace in the world to bring them together.

For it appears as if America is planned to fall on purpose, but she showed the world that all people can get along despite their differences with allowing religious diversity, and all religions equal, and all ethnic groups, and all people equal, and got them caught up in the flesh with the pursuit of money, material things, fleshy pleasures, and worldliness.

For at the time they want to break out the chaos more and America doing worse they would want the people to fight against the government for they are letting all hell break loose in the nation then to add to all the other problems so a change can be made.

Like they loved the counter culture movement, and the rebelliousness of it, do your own thing, have your own way, for those are the type of people they want to lead them to the kingdom in the future.

America does not care if they fall at the leadership position for they are looking at the world, and them coming together.

From America, to the 10 horn kingdom, the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, to the New Age Christ kingdom.

For America will work for peace, and be for peace, say prosperity in her country, and the world, doing business with them so they can prosper, and people can flock there to have a better life, but she is planned to collapse on purpose, so America will fail at obtaining the goal of peace and safety for the world.

This will give birth to the 10 horn kingdom, the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and they will say Peace and safety, and say prosperity for the world, but she is planned to collapse on purpose, and not be able provide peace and safety for the world for they will clash with Islam for they will not go along with the new age movement that is the only religion tolerated based on evolution and the world and Islam clash.

That war will be so terrible that the 10 horn kingdom failed, which will give birth to the New Age Christ kingdom as the New Age Christ says peace and safety for the world, but that too is planned to collapse but not by the people but by the devil for they rebelled against God causing the man of sin to be revealed and the devil used him to deceive all people who do not love God to be doomed spiritually, and those he could not deceive to be destroyed physically.

America is not the nation that many people think it is for they were set up to prosper and show the world that everyone can get along despite their differences and then collapse, and in due time they would love a civil war when the time is right.

America at it's top level does not care if they collapse, and want to collapse, and does not care if the people do not like the government, and are disgusted with it, for this is not their final form of government that they want, and their collapse is the nations coming together.

It Trump acts stupid he does not care, and if Clinton acts stupid she does not care, and they are working together playing their part of the opposing forces.

If America did not want to establish the new age movement in the world, which they believe people are still evolving so they will pursue it, they would of operated differently.

As far as mentioning second amendment what does that mean for a revolution, or overthrowing the government, happens whether they have a constitution with the second amendment in it or not for the people do not care what the constitution says regardless of the nation.
 

MattforJesus

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I am more concerned about the prospect of a world war at present. Anyone who thinks the Iran regime will just ''sit on their hands'' and do nothing because Trump has sent a few tweets are in for a huge reality shock
World War 3 will be the religion of Islam against the world, and will not happen until the nations come together and say Peace and safety, but they want to provoke Arabs now, and cause hate and fear against them, and controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

The Arab governments will come together with all the governments but the religion of Islam will say it is an insult to Allah as the world government says it is a hate crime to try to convert someone to your religion punishable by the international criminal court system for they want peace and religion is evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual.
 

dodgingstones

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Since when do believers yearn for chaos and bloodshed?
You failed to understand it seems. Do you know what Christ said would occur before His return? I yearn for His return, and it will be preceded by chaos and bloodshed.

The worse things get here on earth, the nearer we are to His return.
 
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EleventhHour

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You failed to understand it seems. Do you know what Christ said would occur before His return? I yearn for His return, and it will be preceded by chaos and bloodshed.

The worse things get here on earth, the nearer we are to His return.
It would be wise to separate out the yearn for His return From the chaos, death, and destruction.
 

Nehemiah6

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Civil war coming to America?
I would make that title "Jail Time Coming to America".

If all the Deep State operatives, the Antifa thugs, the MS-13 gangsters, the various mafias controlling criminal enterprises, the criminals who have been released when they should be behind bars, and all the traitors and seditionists who are presently running around America were arrested, convicted, and sentenced to serious prison time, there would be no talk of civil war coming to America.
 

dodgingstones

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It would be wise to separate out the yearn for His return From the chaos, death, and destruction.
Christ didn't seperate their union. IF it's wise 4 u, that's fine 4 u. I have no problem with it. BTW, I only said chaos in my 1st comment. You added to my comment, so that's on you.
 
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EleventhHour

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Christ didn't seperate their union. IF it's wise 4 u, that's fine 4 u. I have no problem with it. BTW, I only said chaos in my 1st comment. You added to my comment, so that's on you.
I was not adding to your comment I was adding to what will happen... and I am pretty sure that He did not tell us to yearn for evil.
But if you have a scripture I will take a look.