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Yes you straw manned maybe because not one time have I ever made a claim that Jesus isn't real.
So we have 19 men flying planes into buildings because they think they will get 72 versions in Paradise
We have a French teacher getting his head chopped off over a cartoon
We have a guy getting stabbed and almost killed over a book he wrote 30 years ago
We have people like Ayaan Hirsi Alii who can't even go back home to Somalia to see her family without bodyguards
We have all those Kenyan school students murdered by Islamic terrorists
We have isis chopping people's heads off
Isis also came right out and admitted they hate America for our Christianity and atheism and they will never stop killing us until we submit to Allah
We have Islamic leaders like Farrakhan spreading anti-semitic hate speech
Just because you don't fear something doesn't mean it's not a demonstrable threat
So we have 19 men flying planes into buildings because they think they will get 72 versions in Paradise
We have a French teacher getting his head chopped off over a cartoon
We have a guy getting stabbed and almost killed over a book he wrote 30 years ago
We have people like Ayaan Hirsi Alii who can't even go back home to Somalia to see her family without bodyguards
We have all those Kenyan school students murdered by Islamic terrorists
We have isis chopping people's heads off
Isis also came right out and admitted they hate America for our Christianity and atheism and they will never stop killing us until we submit to Allah
We have Islamic leaders like Farrakhan spreading anti-semitic hate speech
Just because you don't fear something doesn't mean it's not a demonstrable threat
This is what you said.
I believe the Bible. Will Islam try to take over the world, yes, it is written, and that cannot be changed. Do I need to worry about it, fear it, or consider it a legitimate threat? In the grand scheme of eternity, no.
Jesus will set up His kingdom and the real fear is missing that. Everything else is simply God working out His plans. His plans are He wants people to fear Him and trust in Him.
What you have said repeatedly is that you do not believe in Jesus, that you are agnostic, and in my view that is the real gaslighting.
If I make a really big deal over the common cold and scare everyone into doing all kinds of absurd and injurious things simply because they are afraid of the common cold, well yes, you can argue that the common cold is real and some people die from it. But in the grand scheme of things it is a trivial fear.
AntiChrist will rule for about 7 years, maybe less. At the moment it may seem like a big thing but from the viewpoint of eternity it is the closest thing to nothing that you can get. A wisp of smoke, a vanity.
I believe the Bible. Will Islam try to take over the world, yes, it is written, and that cannot be changed. Do I need to worry about it, fear it, or consider it a legitimate threat? In the grand scheme of eternity, no.
Jesus will set up His kingdom and the real fear is missing that. Everything else is simply God working out His plans. His plans are He wants people to fear Him and trust in Him.
What you have said repeatedly is that you do not believe in Jesus, that you are agnostic, and in my view that is the real gaslighting.
If I make a really big deal over the common cold and scare everyone into doing all kinds of absurd and injurious things simply because they are afraid of the common cold, well yes, you can argue that the common cold is real and some people die from it. But in the grand scheme of things it is a trivial fear.
AntiChrist will rule for about 7 years, maybe less. At the moment it may seem like a big thing but from the viewpoint of eternity it is the closest thing to nothing that you can get. A wisp of smoke, a vanity.
OK, let's assume for the sake of this argument that 9/11 was the result of 12 terrorists from Al Qaeda with boxcutters.
Does this justify attacking Iraq? Of course not. However, in the calculus of events do you think the US attacking Iraq was positive impact on US relations with the Islamic community?
There are more than 1 billion Muslims, I feel quite confident than 900 million of them had absolutely nothing to do with the attack on 9/11 even if we begin with the assumption that it was 12 Islamic terrorists. Still we do have 100 million living in countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran. Still, even in those countries it is very clear that half of the people do not agree with the official line of "death to America". This is despite the US bombing and killing innocent Iraqis that had nothing at all to with the attack on us.
Still we have 50 million muslims living in countries that do support terrorism and that do support their regime. Jesus says to love your enemies. I don't believe that bombing innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan helps us make the world a safer place.
What I do believe is if we did a very detailed and comprehensive investigation and figured out there were 10,000 Islamic terrorists and we focused all our efforts on them, I don't think the other 999,990,000 Muslims would be offended by that.
Does this justify attacking Iraq? Of course not. However, in the calculus of events do you think the US attacking Iraq was positive impact on US relations with the Islamic community?
There are more than 1 billion Muslims, I feel quite confident than 900 million of them had absolutely nothing to do with the attack on 9/11 even if we begin with the assumption that it was 12 Islamic terrorists. Still we do have 100 million living in countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran. Still, even in those countries it is very clear that half of the people do not agree with the official line of "death to America". This is despite the US bombing and killing innocent Iraqis that had nothing at all to with the attack on us.
Still we have 50 million muslims living in countries that do support terrorism and that do support their regime. Jesus says to love your enemies. I don't believe that bombing innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan helps us make the world a safer place.
What I do believe is if we did a very detailed and comprehensive investigation and figured out there were 10,000 Islamic terrorists and we focused all our efforts on them, I don't think the other 999,990,000 Muslims would be offended by that.
Since this is an election thread, posting the projections I mentioned on another thread here also:
"All 435 House of Representatives seats are up for election, as well as 35 of the 100 senators. Democrats won the House by 222-213 in 2020, and hold the Senate on a 50-50 tie with Vice President Kamala Harris’ casting vote.
The FiveThirtyEight forecasts now give Republicans an 83% chance to win the House and a 54% chance to win the Senate. There’s a 53% chance of Republicans winning both chambers, a 30% chance of Democrats holding the Senate while Republicans win the House, and a 16% chance of Democrats holding both chambers.
Since my October 20 article on the US midterm elections, Republicans have taken the lead in the Senate forecast after Democrats had a 61% chance to hold previously; this is Republicans’ first lead since July. Republican chances are also up in the House, from 75% to 83%."
https://theconversation.com/with-tw...n-control-of-both-chambers-of-congress-193442
"All 435 House of Representatives seats are up for election, as well as 35 of the 100 senators. Democrats won the House by 222-213 in 2020, and hold the Senate on a 50-50 tie with Vice President Kamala Harris’ casting vote.
The FiveThirtyEight forecasts now give Republicans an 83% chance to win the House and a 54% chance to win the Senate. There’s a 53% chance of Republicans winning both chambers, a 30% chance of Democrats holding the Senate while Republicans win the House, and a 16% chance of Democrats holding both chambers.
Since my October 20 article on the US midterm elections, Republicans have taken the lead in the Senate forecast after Democrats had a 61% chance to hold previously; this is Republicans’ first lead since July. Republican chances are also up in the House, from 75% to 83%."
https://theconversation.com/with-tw...n-control-of-both-chambers-of-congress-193442
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/07/politics/election-eve-campaigning/index.html
"Republicans are increasingly bullish on winning big in Tuesday’s midterm elections, as they slam Democrats over raging inflation and crime while President Joe Biden seeks a late reprieve by warning that GOP election deniers could destroy democracy.
The GOP has considerable momentum in its bid to win back the House of Representatives while the destiny of the Democratic-run Senate will come down to a handful of knife-edge races. A Republican triumph in either chamber would severely curtail Biden’s domestic presidency and set up an acrimonious two years of political standoffs ahead of the 2024 White House race."
"Republicans are increasingly bullish on winning big in Tuesday’s midterm elections, as they slam Democrats over raging inflation and crime while President Joe Biden seeks a late reprieve by warning that GOP election deniers could destroy democracy.
The GOP has considerable momentum in its bid to win back the House of Representatives while the destiny of the Democratic-run Senate will come down to a handful of knife-edge races. A Republican triumph in either chamber would severely curtail Biden’s domestic presidency and set up an acrimonious two years of political standoffs ahead of the 2024 White House race."
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What we do know is that 19 men flew planes into buildings.
We also know they were financed by Saudi Arabia
Bush was indeed wrong for blaming Iraq but on the other hand we did get rid of a dictator who was murdering innocent people, kidnapping and raping women etc
And I'm sure there are plenty of peaceful Muslims who just want to live their lives like everyone else.
Just like not all Christians are westboro Baptist cuckoo's
However, if there's a problem with religious fundamentalists then there's a problem with the fundamentals of the religion
We also know they were financed by Saudi Arabia
Bush was indeed wrong for blaming Iraq but on the other hand we did get rid of a dictator who was murdering innocent people, kidnapping and raping women etc
And I'm sure there are plenty of peaceful Muslims who just want to live their lives like everyone else.
Just like not all Christians are westboro Baptist cuckoo's
However, if there's a problem with religious fundamentalists then there's a problem with the fundamentals of the religion
There are two valid Biblical strategies that can be employed, one is the Old Testament an eye for an eye.
Israel has done a wonderful job demonstrating this strategy. They have tracked down and caught Nazi's in hiding in other countries. You don't have to be fast. If 20 years later you go and grab some old man in Argentina who was a Nazi it sends the word out to all Nazi's that you are being hunted, you will be found, and you will be brought to justice. The key criteria for this strategy to work is you have to be right. You must be able to prove to others that the man is the criminal you are seeking. I don't believe this will harm our standing with Muslims around the world if we do this with 9/11 or any other terrorist attack.
The second strategy is to love your enemies. MacArthur gave a master class on this with Japan. You have to realize that the average Japanese person does not have any say in foreign policy, they didn't decide to go to war or plan any of the attacks. It isn't criminal to support your nation and your leaders. But it took great restraint on the part of MacArthur and all the other soldiers who had suffered greatly by some very brutal Japanese tactics.
Anyone who is honest will admit that our response to 9/11 was horrific and caused far more damage than it did good. The cost to the US was astronomic, the benefit to the US was virtually nill.
Israel has done a wonderful job demonstrating this strategy. They have tracked down and caught Nazi's in hiding in other countries. You don't have to be fast. If 20 years later you go and grab some old man in Argentina who was a Nazi it sends the word out to all Nazi's that you are being hunted, you will be found, and you will be brought to justice. The key criteria for this strategy to work is you have to be right. You must be able to prove to others that the man is the criminal you are seeking. I don't believe this will harm our standing with Muslims around the world if we do this with 9/11 or any other terrorist attack.
The second strategy is to love your enemies. MacArthur gave a master class on this with Japan. You have to realize that the average Japanese person does not have any say in foreign policy, they didn't decide to go to war or plan any of the attacks. It isn't criminal to support your nation and your leaders. But it took great restraint on the part of MacArthur and all the other soldiers who had suffered greatly by some very brutal Japanese tactics.
Anyone who is honest will admit that our response to 9/11 was horrific and caused far more damage than it did good. The cost to the US was astronomic, the benefit to the US was virtually nill.
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In my opinion 911 truthers are in the same tin foil hat category is flat earthers
Occam's razor. The idea that has to make the fewest assumptions is usually the logical path you want to pursue
Which sounds more likely, a massive government conspiracy and not a single whistleblower has come forward or Muslims blue planes into buildings?
What really happened was that CIA and FBI both had Intel that it was going to happen but didn't do their job. And it cost 3000 Americans their lives
Also airport security was pretty LAX pre 911
Occam's razor. The idea that has to make the fewest assumptions is usually the logical path you want to pursue
Which sounds more likely, a massive government conspiracy and not a single whistleblower has come forward or Muslims blue planes into buildings?
What really happened was that CIA and FBI both had Intel that it was going to happen but didn't do their job. And it cost 3000 Americans their lives
Also airport security was pretty LAX pre 911