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Dude653

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Again who's morality? Who says my beliefs are wrong compared to yours?

Do you put people in jail for drunk driving? Do we legislate bad behavior to protect citizens from it's consequences?

Now is homosexuality healthy for society or not healthy? Is it beneficial? Does it make our society stronger?

What does the Bible say also?
we don't pass laws on the Bible. We pass laws on the Constitution so that's not a relevant here
Comparing a consensual relationship between two adults to drunk driving is a logical fallacy called false equivalency
the obvious reason drunk driving is illegal is because it's a public safety issue
a consensual relationship between two adults is not a public safety issue
 

Roughsoul1991

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we don't pass laws on the Bible. We pass laws on the Constitution so that's not a relevant here
Comparing a consensual relationship between two adults to drunk driving is a logical fallacy called false equivalency
the obvious reason drunk driving is illegal is because it's a public safety issue
a consensual relationship between two adults is not a public safety issue
The Constitution was passed on certain morals. New laws must not break the laws of the Constitution but also requires morals to add new laws.

It is relevant as an example. I'll show you.

drunk driving is illegal is because it's a public safety issue
Public safety issue. Glad you mentioned that. Do you know how many STDs in the data are linked to the homosexual lifestyle? Do you know how much money that costs taxpayers and people who pay into insurance? Has LGBT been beneficial to our children as children go through chemical hormone blockers or worse sex changes as kids? Or the promotion of trans kids especially boys who have taken over women's sports? Trans men in women's bathrooms? Teens going transsexual in peer-pressured groups has led to many sexual assaults.

A consensual adult who has a relationship with a consensual teenager is still illegal. Two people can agree to do meth in their own home but it is still illegal.

So is LGBT a public safety issue? Should we look at the data? I have researched it and made the case before. It should not be promoted in society.

Maybe God knew something about what's best for society. Maybe why our founders used the Christian religion for the moral base.

As to why Christian morals promote a healthy society. Tell me it doesn't? You as a Christian should know who's morals are better.
 

Moses_Young

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I personally know two people who died from it. It's not a hoax
You might know two people died. That's a fact. But if this mysterious virus has never been isolated (and it hasn't), and if it has never been proven to be contagious (and it can't have been, if it has never been isolated), there is no scientific proof the two people you knew died of coronavirus. Don't confuse facts (two people you knew who died) with fiction (an imaginary virus being the cause of their deaths).
 

EleventhHour

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You might know two people died. That's a fact. But if this mysterious virus has never been isolated (and it hasn't), and if it has never been proven to be contagious (and it can't have been, if it has never been isolated), there is no scientific proof the two people you knew died of coronavirus. Don't confuse facts (two people you knew who died) with fiction (an imaginary virus being the cause of their deaths).
It has been isolated ... this is sheer fiction here.
 

Butterflyyy

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America was intended to be a secular country. Secular law protects everyone's rights
So what will you think if/when secular law protects the paedophile’s rights?
Lol what you are saying is ridiculous; you overlook the fact that there ARE absolutes, right and wrong.

Q. Who decides what is right and what is wrong?

A. God decides.
 

Butterflyyy

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A consensual relationship between two adults has nothing to do with morality
Again. This is America and not Saudi Arabia. We will not be putting people in jail for being gay
You quite obviously are completely disregarding the fact that in the Holy Bible God makes it clear He hates the practice of homosexuality.
Jesus said no such people can enter into Heaven and that those who teach others to not obey His Word will be least in the kingdom of Heaven.
I asked you a while ago and you still have not answered my question, so I will ask it again:
Are you a Christian? Have you been born again of Christ? Do you have a real relationship with him?
 

Butterflyyy

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It is my belief that you cannot legislate morality.
Tourist, surely laws are established for good; to protect people and uphold righteousness for the good of society. Surely laws are made on the basis of what is morally and ethically right.
 

Dude653

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So what will you think if/when secular law protects the paedophile’s rights?
Lol what you are saying is ridiculous; you overlook the fact that there ARE absolutes, right and wrong.

Q. Who decides what is right and what is wrong?

A. God decides.
Your logical fallacy is called slippery slope.
We have statutory rape laws for a reason
also false equivalence fallacy as you can't compare a relationship between consenting adults to pedophilia

There's a quote that says to take away someone else's rights is to forgo your own
Meaning at the law can take someone else's rights away they can take your rights away too
 

Dude653

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If we passed laws according to the Bible, we would still have slavery
 
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lenna

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I don't think it was done deliberately because that just doesn't add up.
the u.s. dollar is the most valuable currency worldwide so it wouldn't make any sense to deliberately weaken it
Especially when your China and America is your biggest customer
well, there are countries that would like nothing better than a weak American dollar. it does not suit a one world gov to have this nation strong and independent

China ... have you not kept up with that whole thing since Covid? the Chinese would love baby boy Biden to be their trading partner
along with a weak Amercian economy and military
 
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lenna

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If we passed laws according to the Bible, we would still have slavery
slavery was already in existence

God did not ordain slavery. laws were actually given to make the lives of slaves better

in the Old Testament you can read all about that
 
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well, there are countries that would like nothing better than a weak American dollar. it does not suit a one world gov to have this nation strong and independent

China ... have you not kept up with that whole thing since Covid? the Chinese would love baby boy Biden to be their trading partner
along with a weak Amercian economy and military
Trump is weakening the military as we speak. Maybe he’s preparing it for Biden?
 

Truth7t7

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God's will be done. I am very thankful for this result. I feel much more at peace with the future of the country and the world. It is such a relief and I am so thankful. For those of you Christians who fear this event, I say fear not. You will not lose any freedoms. You will not suffer physically. The worst maybe will be free and lower cost medical care, a cleaner environment, more cooperation with foreign countries and a spirit of friendship. Unlike number 45, Joe will be a president to all people even those of you who hate him. Give him a chance and actually look at what he does. Although I do not agree with Joe on many issues, I am hopeful that he can be an instrument of good and righteousness.
US 2020 Election Machines, (Dominion/Smartmatic) (George Soros) With Ties To Venezuela (Fraud)?

Sorta Hard To Believe, So I did a little research, it's TRUE!

Lord Mark Brown CEO of Smartmatic, being George Soros right hand man?

The US has (Several) States using these machines, and it's in all the battle ground states, (Scary)

This system was developed and used in Venezuela, under the Maduro regime to rig elections, it was used in 2016 Phillipines to rig their election, Argentina, many, the info and youtube vids are never ending!

It is claimed the vote tallies leave the US to a central server in Spain/Germany, then returns back to the US?

(Absolutely Scary)!

Washington Examiner

Officials raised concerns for years about security of US voting machines, software systems
By Bethany Blankley, The Center Square
November 9, 2020 - 12:00 PM

According to a Penn Wharton study, "The Business of Voting," Dominion Voting Systems reached approximately 71 million voters in 1,635 jurisdictions in the U.S. in 2016.

Dominion “got into trouble” with several subsidiaries it used over alleged cases of fraud. One subsidiary is Smartmatic

Smartmatic’s chairman is a member of the British House of Lords, Mark Malloch Brown, a former vice-chairman of George Soros’ Investment Funds, former vice-president at the World Bank

Wikipedia: Smartmatic

Founding
In 1997,[4] three engineers, Antonio Mugica, Alfredo José Anzola and Roger Piñate, began collaborating in a group while working at Panagroup Corp. in Caracas, Venezuela.

SGO Corporation



Lord Malloch Brown
In 2014, Smartmatic’s CEO Antonio Mugica and British Lord Mark Malloch-Brown announced the launching of the SGO Corporation Limited,

Wikipedia: Mark Malloch Brown, Baron Malloch-Brown Malloch Brown has been closely associated with billionaire speculator George Soros. Working for Refugees International, he was part of the Soros Advisory Committee on Bosnia in 1993–94, formed by Soros. He has since kept cordial relations with Soros, and rented an apartment owned by Soros while working in New York on UN assignments.[51] While serving as United Nations Development Programme Administrator, Malloch Brown spoke beside Soros in 2002 suggesting that United Nations and Soros's Open Society Institute, as well as other organizations, work together to fund humanitarian functions.[52]
In May 2007, Soros's Quantum Fund announced the appointment of Malloch Brown as vice-president.[53] In September 2007, The Observer reported that he had resigned this position on becoming a government minister in the UK.[54] Also in May 2007, Malloch Brown was named vice-chairman of Soros Fund Management and the Open Society Institute, two other important Soros organisations.[55]
 

Butterflyyy

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Your logical fallacy is called slippery slope.
We have statutory rape laws for a reason
also false equivalence fallacy as you can't compare a relationship between consenting adults to pedophilia

There's a quote that says to take away someone else's rights is to forgo your own
Meaning at the law can take someone else's rights away they can take your rights away too
My point was in answer to your statement that ‘law protects everyone’s rights’ which I disagree with.
You still have not answered my question but that’s okay because your mentality shows that you do not belong to God’s flock. His people are known by their good fruits...
 

Butterflyyy

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Your logical fallacy is called slippery slope.
We have statutory rape laws for a reason
also false equivalence fallacy as you can't compare a relationship between consenting adults to pedophilia

There's a quote that says to take away someone else's rights is to forgo your own
Meaning at the law can take someone else's rights away they can take your rights away too
Your logic is based on your own understanding rather than God’s.
 
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lenna

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Trump is weakening the military as we speak. Maybe he’s preparing it for Biden?

proof of that?

oh wait...you have none

proof. put up or yah know, shut up
 

tourist

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Tourist, surely laws are established for good; to protect people and uphold righteousness for the good of society. Surely laws are made on the basis of what is morally and ethically right.
I believe that what the government attempts to do is to legislate ethics rather than morality. Yes, very much for the good of society but the problem lies in that it is the government who decides exactly what the good is that they are trying to make into a binding law.
 

tourist

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But you can legislate to protect the immorality and punish those who voice their disapproval.
Yeah, that's about the state of the political system in US in a nutshell.
 
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My point was in answer to your statement that ‘law protects everyone’s rights’ which I disagree with.
You still have not answered my question but that’s okay because your mentality shows that you do not belong to God’s flock. His people are known by their good fruits...
Wrong answers make a person go straight to hell? What happened to Grace?