Conscequences of $15.00/hr Minimum Wage

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BraveLittleToaster

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Of course you wouldn't see the relevance.
You wouldn't suppose that might be because the two are entirely unrelated to one another, would you? If you want to argue that doubling the Federal minimum wage would cause prices to increase, that's fine -- and, in your defense, such a sudden and drastic hike might exert some inflationary pressure on some sectors of the economy, such as fast food and retail. However, I never advocated a $15 minimum wage.

If I'm even interpreting your post correctly, you're trying to argue that a doubling of the minimum wage would cause consumers to pay more in the same way that sales taxes cause consumers to pay more, in the long term. That's... nice, I suppose, but you didn't present any evidence to prove it. As noted earlier, wages are only one aspect among many to consider when discussing prices.

I also thought this part of your post was a tad bizarre.

"Ever hear of a sales tax? Of course you have. It's a SALES tax, not a PURCHASE tax."

Governments mandate that businesses collect a tax equal to, say, 6% of a sale at the point of purchase -- in addition to the cost of the merchandise. I'm not even sure what you meant there. It's fairly obvious that consumers are "stuck" with paying that tax, as you mentioned in your post. Why state the obvious? :confused:
 

Utah

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#43
You wouldn't suppose that might be because the two are entirely unrelated to one another, would you? If you want to argue that doubling the Federal minimum wage would cause prices to increase, that's fine -- and, in your defense, such a sudden and drastic hike might exert some inflationary pressure on some sectors of the economy, such as fast food and retail. However, I never advocated a $15 minimum wage.

If I'm even interpreting your post correctly, you're trying to argue that a doubling of the minimum wage would cause consumers to pay more in the same way that sales taxes cause consumers to pay more, in the long term. That's... nice, I suppose, but you didn't present any evidence to prove it. As noted earlier, wages are only one aspect among many to consider when discussing prices.

I also thought this part of your post was a tad bizarre.

"Ever hear of a sales tax? Of course you have. It's a SALES tax, not a PURCHASE tax."

Governments mandate that businesses collect a tax equal to, say, 6% of a sale at the point of purchase -- in addition to the cost of the merchandise. I'm not even sure what you meant there. It's fairly obvious that consumers are "stuck" with paying that tax, as you mentioned in your post. Why state the obvious? :confused:
Governments imposed a sales tax on business owners; governments did not mandate business owners to collect sales tax from the consumer. Suddenly Ma and Pa Kettle who own a small hardware store are an extension of the IRS? Come on. Anyway, you didn't see the analogy of increased pressure on the consumer via sales tax or minimum wage so it's a moot point.
 

RickyZ

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D@mn those greedy employees. Who do they think they are, wanting to earn enough money to put food on the table, a roof overhead, and medicines in their pockets? Them scum sucking leeches do nothing more than take money out of the CEO's pockets! We should go back to the good old days of slavery and indentured servitude!

Fortunately, that's exactly where Trump and his cabinet picks are going to take us!
 
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BraveLittleToaster

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Governments imposed a sales tax on business owners; governments did not mandate business owners to collect sales tax from the consumer. Suddenly Ma and Pa Kettle who own a small hardware store are an extension of the IRS? Come on. Anyway, you didn't see the analogy of increased pressure on the consumer via sales tax or minimum wage so it's a moot point.
A sales tax isn't "imposed on business owners" aside from the obligation businesses have to collect additional money from consumers to be paid to the state. You're making it sound like the government is taking a portion of business revenue from sales as a "sales tax," but that's simply not true.

States that have a sales tax require businesses to tack on a tax that the consumer is required to pay at the point of purchase, and that amount varies from 1 - 10%.
 

Utah

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D@mn those greedy employees. Who do they think they are, wanting to earn enough money to put food on the table, a roof overhead, and medicines in their pockets? Them scum sucking leeches do nothing more than take money out of the CEO's pockets! We should go back to the good old days of slavery and indentured servitude!

Fortunately, that's exactly where Trump and his cabinet picks are going to take us!
Ricky, you're too intelligent to be so stupid.
 

Sirk

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You wouldn't suppose that might be because the two are entirely unrelated to one another, would you? If you want to argue that doubling the Federal minimum wage would cause prices to increase, that's fine -- and, in your defense, such a sudden and drastic hike might exert some inflationary pressure on some sectors of the economy, such as fast food and retail. However, I never advocated a $15 minimum wage.

If I'm even interpreting your post correctly, you're trying to argue that a doubling of the minimum wage would cause consumers to pay more in the same way that sales taxes cause consumers to pay more, in the long term. That's... nice, I suppose, but you didn't present any evidence to prove it. As noted earlier, wages are only one aspect among many to consider when discussing prices.

I also thought this part of your post was a tad bizarre.

"Ever hear of a sales tax? Of course you have. It's a SALES tax, not a PURCHASE tax."

Governments mandate that businesses collect a tax equal to, say, 6% of a sale at the point of purchase -- in addition to the cost of the merchandise. I'm not even sure what you meant there. It's fairly obvious that consumers are "stuck" with paying that tax, as you mentioned in your post. Why state the obvious? :confused:
It's really not very hard to understand. Increased overhead costs will increase end cost to the consumer. Anyone with half a brain can grasp that very simple, easy to understand fact of doing business.
 

RickyZ

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Ricky, you're too intelligent to be so stupid.
Ah thanks, I think...

I'm intelligent enough to know when people are going against their own best interests. Which I see happening far far too much these days.
 

Sirk

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Besides, the state already mandates what I have to pay employees in my profession. I have to be competitive AND make a profit. If the state jacked up what we have to pay our employees then you would see an across the board increase in the cost of the service I provide. So instead of 80 an hour for an electrician you might pay 100. And we also would increase the margins on our materials as well. You do gooder liberals think you can make the world better but all you do is create unintended consequences for everyone.

the problem isn't low wages. The problem is an ever weakening currency. The reason things are more expensive isn't because they are worth more. Things are more expensive because the thing that you purchase those things with is worth less.
 

RickyZ

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It's really not very hard to understand. Increased overhead costs will increase end cost to the consumer. Anyone with half a brain can grasp that very simple, easy to understand fact of doing business.
Then why can't they grasp the concept that more money in consumers pockets = more spending = coverage of those increased costs?

Why can't they grasp the concept that rich people don't create jobs, consumers do?
 

notuptome

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Then why can't they grasp the concept that more money in consumers pockets = more spending = coverage of those increased costs?

Why can't they grasp the concept that rich people don't create jobs, consumers do?
Cold hard reality is that poor people do not create jobs. Consumers create profits which when re-invested create jobs. Profits must be generated to maintain jobs. Cost increases reduce profits which spur cost cuts to restore profits.

Joh 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

For the cause of Christ
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Utah

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Ah thanks, I think...

I'm intelligent enough to know when people are going against their own best interests. Which I see happening far far too much these days.
It's totally a compliment in a goofy way. I have great respect for you though we see things very differently in life.
 

Utah

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It's really not very hard to understand. Increased overhead costs will increase end cost to the consumer. Anyone with half a brain can grasp that very simple, easy to understand fact of doing business.
Exactly. Thanks for making my point understandable.
 

Billyd

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I think that the Citizens of the US would benefit from a course in Economics.