Conservatives against the Trump candidacy

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KimPetras

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Hahahaha, well I have the political equivalent of sheep's blood over my door on here as far as that's concerned.

The Trumpers here are some of my best buddies CC buddies via PMing. They know where I'm at.
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This isn't surprising. You are one of the better examples of Trump supporters on this site. The BIGGEST difference between you and some of your buddies who are Trump fanatics... you aren't delusional to think Trump is conservative and you don't resort to the tactics they do when someone exercises their right to call a spade a spade.

I hope you rub off on them. lol
 
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KimPetras said:
Because even the very people who voted for Bush recognize he was a disaster. Did you vote for Bush?

Chances are if Trump loses, 4 years from now you'll be singing a different tune about him just as people are doing about Bush/McCain/Romney. So many "conservatives" voted for them and can easily blast them now. Trump won't be any different if he doesn't "make America great again".
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I'm the type of person who lives in the present. No sense in crossing a bridge if you haven't arrived at said bridge. As a matter of fact, it's impossible. And furthermore, you don't have the powers to say what I will or won't do tomorrow much less 4 years from now.
 
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KimPetras said:
This isn't surprising. You are one of the better examples of Trump supporters on this site. The BIGGEST difference between you and some of your buddies who are Trump fanatics... you aren't delusional to think Trump is conservative and you don't resort to the tactics they do when someone exercises their right to call a spade a spade.

I hope you rub off on them. lol
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if you could get past labels you'd be onto some real wisdom.
 
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KimPetras

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There are 3 groups of Trump supporters on this forum.

Group A: Trump is a divine figure, called by God to defeat Hillary, and to be the Saviour of the United States of America. Resort to bullying/name calling when someone disagrees and states facts of their "Saviour".

Group B: Objective of Trump's shortcomings, but make no apology for supporting him because of how corrupt Hillary is. Appreciates some of what Trump stands for. Refuses to resort to bullying/name calling when someone makes a fair criticism of Trump. Wishes there was someone better they could vote for.

Group C: Only voting for Trump because of how unappealing Hillary is.
 
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KimPetras

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if you could get past labels you'd be onto some real wisdom.
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I'm not the one calling people who despise Hillary a Hillary supporter. lol
 
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I'm not the one calling people who despise Hillary a Hillary supporter. lol
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Fair enough. But you are accusing trump of pretending to be a conservative. When I don't think he is one at all....at least the modern understanding of one...your understanding of one.
 
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Fair enough. But you are accusing trump of pretending to be a conservative. When I don't think he is one at all....at least modern understanding of one...your understanding of one.
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He admits to being a conservative though. Although, he typically adds "common sense" to it. I happen to think conservationism is common sense.
 
JosephsDreams

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A little story about Trump. It really is of no consequence, just small things I recall about him of a little more first hand nature.
I had a friend who was a hand writing analyst. He worked for Trump for a while. His job was to give a report on the character based on their hand writing of potential employees Trump might be hiring. He never met him Trump though. He did say that he ran a tight well run company, from what he could tell.
Another story involves my old business property. In the early 1990's real estate was heating up in NYC. Or was it the mid nineties? I forget now. Not that important to the story.
My business was scrap metal and used auto parts. So one morning a guy comes in and asks me about a part, did I have it, he wanted to buy it. He not like the typical customer. He was dressed better, and had a more educated way about him in the manner he presented himself.
i tell him I don't have the part, and then out of no where he says to me that Trump is looking to buy my land and other lands on the street to build a apartment building complex. So I said how do you know that?
He says it is a word going around. I said I never heard that. Then I said, it sounds like your trying to get feelers out. Do you work for him? He said yeah, I was sent here to do just that. So I said I doubt I would sell my property (it was a big commercial piece by NYC standards), that I have a good business here. So he says all right, and that was that. Never heard from him again.

Like I said, no stories of any consequence. Except that it seems like Trump gets around with his various interests in real estate. And that he doesn't seem to mind using unconventional methods to get a full profile on people
 
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JosephsDreams said:
I would not call anyone a H-bomb supporter if any criticism of Trump was legit and the matter important.
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Where I'm from "Hillary Supporter" is an insult. I try not to use it in the presence of ladies and children.
 
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KimPetras said:
He admits to being a conservative though. Although, he typically adds "common sense" to it. I happen to think conservationism is common sense.
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He has to so that he appeals to enough people to get votes. Getting votes is about getting people under tent. Educating people takes time and personal experience. In my view, trump is putting a stake thru the heart of the left/right wing facade.
 
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Desdichado said:
Where I'm from "Hillary Supporter" is an insult. I try not to use it in the presence of ladies and children.
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"Clinton" supporter is just as bad as another word that starts with that letter...
 
Desdichado

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KimPetras said:
This isn't surprising. You are one of the better examples of Trump supporters on this site. The BIGGEST difference between you and some of your buddies who are Trump fanatics... you aren't delusional to think Trump is conservative and you don't resort to the tactics they do when someone exercises their right to call a spade a spade.

I hope you rub off on them. lol
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I appreciate the praise.

Really I get so much political confrontation on the daily that I prefer to keep it chill online. Well, as chill as I can.
 
JosephsDreams

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I grew up and lived in NYC for most of my life. Not that it means I have a scoop on him, but just that reading the local papers and magazines, I probably was, New Yorker's all were, exposed to him more then the average American.
Trump was definitely more liberal then conservative years ago.
He has gotten more conservative. It seems generally people do as they get older.
Still, as KP pointed out, he is about as liberal as one can be and still have the conservative or Republican label.

Yet it always comes back to this: He is infinitely closer in his views and politics with how Christians see the world and how our country should be managed then H-bomb.
H-bomb supporters don't like this, but it is factual truth, not opinion; many of her positions are taken right out of the satan hand book of "How to make Earth a Living Hell."
 
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JosephsDreams said:
I grew up and lived in NYC for most of my life. Not that it means I have a scoop on him, but just that reading the local papers and magazines, I probably was, New Yorker's all were, exposed to him more then the average American.
Trump was definitely more liberal then conservative years ago.
He has gotten more conservative. It seems generally people do as they get older.
Still, as KP pointed out, he is about as liberal as one can be and still have the conservative or Republican label.

Yet it always comes back to this: He is infinitely closer in his views and politics with how Christians see the world and how our country should be managed then H-bomb.
H-bomb supporters don't like this, but it is factual truth, not opinion; many of her positions are taken right out of the satan hand book of "How to make Earth a Living Hell."
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Not surprising. Hillary is a cronie of George Soros and other known globalists. Of course she would push the NWO agenda.
 
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Hey, I'm not proud of it. :(

I've been a Bernie supporter from the beginning and have made it known all year on this forum that if it's not Bernie, it's anyone but Hillary. This is why I am so critical of Trump. He's the only candidate that can stop Hillary, but the biggest appeal he has is how terrible Hillary is. I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade, even if it's for the candidate I will ultimately be voting for. I've even made it known I'm personally against Sanders' pro-choice stance. Aside from that, there aren't many things I can object to. Trump on the other hand... that's another story. Some of his followers here act as if he is sinless... all because he's not as bad as Hillary. The goal should be to be objective, even if you ultimately will be voting for said candidate.

So unless Bernie somehow gets in the picture, I'l have to vote "against Hillary", and not necessarily "for Trump." However, Rachel, Posthuman, Voldemort, and Jenny have made beautiful cases against voting for the lesser of two evils. I can't even refute their biblical logic. Maybe I'm not as strong to the word as I hope I could be, but I want to be able to say I did everything I could to stop Hillary from being president. Not voting is not an option in the home I was raised in. I would feel unappreciative if I decided to sit out because both candidates are utter trash. I just hope when/if Trump fails as president, my decision won't come back to haunt me.
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I was throwing a rep your way til you wrote that some folks her make a good case agAinst voting for the lesser of two evils. Blind guides, period. Otherwise great post and I have newfound respect for you, and a lot at that.
 
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JosephsDreams said:
I grew up and lived in NYC for most of my life. Not that it means I have a scoop on him, but just that reading the local papers and magazines, I probably was, New Yorker's all were, exposed to him more then the average American.
Trump was definitely more liberal then conservative years ago.
He has gotten more conservative. It seems generally people do as they get older.
Still, as KP pointed out, he is about as liberal as one can be and still have the conservative or Republican label.

Yet it always comes back to this: He is infinitely closer in his views and politics with how Christians see the world and how our country should be managed then H-bomb.
H-bomb supporters don't like this, but it is factual truth, not opinion; many of her positions are taken right out of the satan hand book of "How to make Earth a Living Hell."
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Well and wisely spoken words.
 
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KimPetras said:
There are 3 groups of Trump supporters on this forum.

Group A: Trump is a divine figure, called by God to defeat Hillary, and to be the Saviour of the United States of America. Resort to bullying/name calling when someone disagrees and states facts of their "Saviour".

Group B: Objective of Trump's shortcomings, but make no apology for supporting him because of how corrupt Hillary is. Appreciates some of what Trump stands for. Refuses to resort to bullying/name calling when someone makes a fair criticism of Trump. Wishes there was someone better they could vote for.

Group C: Only voting for Trump because of how unappealing Hillary is.
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That makes me a B-
 
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