Cop Not Indicted

[kennethcadwell]

Everybody has been slowly losing their civil rights over the past years, even since Reagan that I can remember have civil rights slowly been taken away or revised.
The government uses all kinds of scare tactics to do this, scaring people that if they don't allow them to change this law or that their life will be in jeopardy. The public falls for it hook, line, and sinker and votes to allow the change. So we can not just blame the government, we have to blame ourselves. Mainly those who need a wake up call to see just how corrupt our governmental system is.
Until they face the fact that the system is corrupt from the bottom all the way to the top, nothing will get done. Just more bickering between the Republicans and Democrats on who has better policies. There is no more such government as, " For the people, by the people. "
It is more for themselves, to control the rest......

 

[pastac]

Everybody has been slowly losing their civil rights over the past years, even since Reagan that I can remember have civil rights slowly been taken away or revised.
The government uses all kinds of scare tactics to do this, scaring people that if they don't allow them to change this law or that their life will be in jeopardy. The public falls for it hook, line, and sinker and votes to allow the change. So we can not just blame the government, we have to blame ourselves. Mainly those who need a wake up call to see just how corrupt our governmental system is.
Until they face the fact that the system is corrupt from the bottom all the way to the top, nothing will get done. Just more bickering between the Republicans and Democrats on who has better policies. There is no more such government as, " For the people, by the people. "
It is more for themselves, to control the rest......

Hard to change laws when congressman so in so has been in office 200 years!Just thinking out loud
pastac

 

[kennethcadwell]

Hard to change laws when congressman so in so has been in office 200 years!Just thinking out loud
pastac

I hear what you have been saying, but it is happening none the less.
Slowly freedom of speech is getting taken away, freedom of religion, privacy, they have even been pushing since Bush sr. to take gun rights away from civilians all together. ( Not just felons )
There are others as well, but it is such a long topic to actually break it down.

The whole government system in my mind needs to be changed. Congressman should be given four year terms and then ousted. Then another way to get money back in our economy is to stop paying salaries to ex-presidents. They no longer hold that position, so they should not get a pay check for it still.

 

[dcontroversal]

Says it all: View attachment 92764

I agree and nothing (Reverend) about either one of them......

 

[pastac]

I hear what you have been saying, but it is happening none the less.
Slowly freedom of speech is getting taken away, freedom of religion, privacy, they have even been pushing since Bush sr. to take gun rights away from civilians all together. ( Not just felons )
There are others as well, but it is such a long topic to actually break it down.

The whole government system in my mind needs to be changed. Congressman should be given four year terms and then ousted. Then another way to get money back in our economy is to stop paying salaries to ex-presidents. They no longer hold that position, so they should not get a pay check for it still.

That is what we should be fighting for then do away with the foolish ignorant crazy electoral college and truly become a democracy of the people. This would stop the unequal treatment of many. Ferguson is just another fly in the ointment. This thread has went to many changes and I'm gleaning but lets remember these are some of the reasons the cop was not inedited.
pastac

 

[kennethcadwell]

That is what we should be fighting for then do away with the foolish ignorant crazy electoral college and truly become a democracy of the people. This would stop the unequal treatment of many. Ferguson is just another fly in the ointment. This thread has went to many changes and I'm gleaning but lets remember these are some of the reasons the cop was not inedited.
pastac

You see in my opinion the U.S. has become like a pot of water sitting on a stove. You turn on the heat and the water slowly starts to heat up, before long it starts to boil. Now the U.S. has been boiling for awhile now, and just like a boiling pot of water if you let it go to long it will eventually boil over. That is what we see going on now, it is finally starting to boil over. And unfortunately with all the term oil starting to arise in our country, it will make easy prey for our enemies over seas. Look at how Russia has been doing some very shifty things right now, but they spend little time talking about it.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I haven't forgotten anything. Black people are not engaging in widespread criminality because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them or doesn't have it in for them.

The problem is primarily cultural and clearly explained in the socio-religious literature though exacerbated by other factors (such as the present dysfunction in U.S. socio-economics). The present black pathology ultimately stems from their failure to adhere to the correct worldview and this has resulted in a myriad of serious problems statistically measurable both quantifiably and qualitatively.

Modern liberals, like yourself, want to blame everyone but blacks themselves and talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves.

The truth is that everyone needs to acknowledge the self-imposed cultural barriers to progress that blacks have created for themselves, regardless of whether or not that was reactionary, and how to discard them for adherence to the correct worldview including black people and modern "progressive" liberals like yourself.

In fact, everyone of us needs to acknowledge the self-imposed cultural barriers to progress that our entire society has been immersing themselves in for decades and how to discard them for adherence to the correct worldview.

It goes without saying that this is not about a return to previous self-imposed cultural barriers to progress but rather dumping the ones that presently exist, regardless of their origin, and correctly appropriating a true exegesis of the Christian worldview both personally and societally.

You seem to forget that black people only got full civil rights in the late sixties.

 

[pastac]

I haven't forgotten anything. Black people are not engaging in widespread criminality because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them or doesn't have it in for them.

The problem is primarily cultural and clearly explained in the socio-religious literature though exacerbated by other factors (such as the present dysfunction in U.S. socio-economics). The present black pathology ultimately stems from their failure to adhere to the correct worldview and this has resulted in a myriad of serious problems statistically measurable both quantifiably and qualitatively.

Modern liberals, like yourself, want to blame everyone but blacks themselves and talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves.

The truth is that everyone needs to acknowledge the self-imposed cultural barriers to progress that blacks have created for themselves, regardless of whether or not that was reactionary, and how to discard them for adherence to the correct worldview including black people and modern "progressive" liberals like yourself.

In fact, everyone of us needs to acknowledge the self-imposed cultural barriers to progress that our entire society has been immersing themselves in for decades and how to discard them for adherence to the correct worldview.

It goes without saying that this is not about a return to previous self-imposed cultural barriers to progress but rather dumping the ones that presently exist, regardless of their origin, and correctly appropriating a true exegesis of the Christian worldview both personally and societally.

You make some valid points as often you do but you get so immersed in the socio economic mumbo jumbo you forget we realize our problems. And we realize we are not solely responsible for all of them. Come on we have gained several insight as what not to do. The government is not unbiased but biased. Elaborating that our plight is much deeper seated than most understand. But make no mistake we are on partially responsible I agree some wont even accept that as a fact but it is. You mention cultural barriers what are they from the black perspective I'm sure we will not agree but who's words mean more a black man on some statistics written on paper. Who are these people the numbers come from talk to black America poll us we would love to share the real truth that many cant handle.
pastac

 

[Human]

I haven't forgotten anything. Black people are not engaging in widespread criminality because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them or doesn't have it in for them.

The problem is primarily cultural and clearly explained in the socio-religious literature though exacerbated by other factors (such as the present dysfunction in U.S. socio-economics). The present black pathology ultimately stems from their failure to adhere to the correct worldview and this has resulted in a myriad of serious problems statistically measurable both quantifiably and qualitatively.

Modern liberals, like yourself, want to blame everyone but blacks themselves and talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves.

The truth is that everyone needs to acknowledge the self-imposed cultural barriers to progress that blacks have created for themselves, regardless of whether or not that was reactionary, and how to discard them for adherence to the correct worldview including black people and modern "progressive" liberals like yourself.

In fact, everyone of us needs to acknowledge the self-imposed cultural barriers to progress that our entire society has been immersing themselves in for decades and how to discard them for adherence to the correct worldview.

It goes without saying that this is not about a return to previous self-imposed cultural barriers to progress but rather dumping the ones that presently exist, regardless of their origin, and correctly appropriating a true exegesis of the Christian worldview both personally and societally.

And how do you propose we correctly appropriate such a true exegesis of a Christian worldview, if indeed a totally true exegesis is even available to us? It's utter fantasy to think that:

1. Your exegesis is the correct one among thousands, and;
2a. That you can appropriate it legally at all and;
2b. You can appropriate it socially to an extent sufficient to create genuine change in criminality, if it even would lead to such change at all.

Black people don't commit crime because they don't adhere to your particular scriptural interpretation of the bible, AgeOfKNowledge. To think so is frankly arrogant. It is disturbing to think that your solutions to social problems stop at 'impose my religious opinion on others'.

 

[pastac]

If I ascribe my belief to the fact that I am a by product of my environment then the socio economic position would ne null and void. To the degree that if we have learned how to steal kill and destroy we learned it from them who taught it to us making the teachers the problem. America has always lied cheated and stolen land and injected drugs back into the communities. We all know this to be true yet many want us to shoulder all the blame for our role or lack thereof. If my environment is condusive to positive change and progress then I am geared in that DIRECTION.

if I LIVE IN A POLICE STATE WHICH MANY ARE AT THE CITY LEVEL THEN THE CRIMINALITY THAT IS OFTEN SPOKEN OF SHINES LIKE A BEACON. that CRIMINAL ATTITUDE IS MAGANIFIED BY MEDIA WHILE BLUE COLLOR CRIMES CREDIT CARD FRAUD AND THE LIKE GO UN NOTICED BY IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE FOCUS ON BLACK CRIME. actual NUMBERS REFLECT CONTRASTING DIFFERENCES IN RAPE ASSULTS BURGULRIES ECT YET WE GET BLAME FOR VIOLENT CRIMES OFTEN AIMED AT EACH OTHER AND THEN THAT IS A ISSUE THAT MANY WOULD NEVER UNDERSTAND. sorry for cap lock snafu
pastac

 

[PennEd]

Bet you haven't even heard of this Mr. Brown. I'm sure this COMPLETELY innocent white teen wished THIS Brown only engaged in "credit card fraud"![video=youtube;3w0TYhxCRww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w0TYhxCRww[/video]

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Not mine o confused one: His (e.g. God's). Your response is typical of a modern liberal: falsely assert that objective Christian truth exists and/or can be understood and then personally attack the character of everyone who tries to correct their false assertion.

God wouldn't have given us His Word if it couldn't be both correctly understood and properly applied.

A correct exegesis of Christian epistemology is not "utter fantasy" as you falsely claim. The relativism you're demonstrating is a flawed philosophical view that has already been falsified by Christian scholars. I have shown that clearly on this forum on more than one occasion.

Your ignorance and flawed viewed of the world does not invalidate objective reality with respect to either God's special or general revelation.

Rather than me having to go through the entire lengthy process of falsifying philosophical relativism yet again, how about you stop making false assertions long enough to use the search feature.

No offense, but your ignorance and misunderstandings are really hindering this discussion from progressing and the resulting ad hominem a waste of time to read.

And pastac you need to read through my posts and let it sink in a bit as your replies don't really synch with them.

And how do you propose we correctly appropriate such a true exegesis of a Christian worldview, if indeed a totally true exegesis is even available to us? It's utter fantasy to think that:

1. Your exegesis is the correct one among thousands, and;
2a. That you can appropriate it legally at all and;
2b. You can appropriate it socially to an extent sufficient to create genuine change in criminality, if it even would lead to such change at all.

Black people don't commit crime because they don't adhere to your particular scriptural interpretation of the bible, AgeOfKNowledge. To think so is frankly arrogant. It is disturbing to think that your solutions to social problems stop at 'impose my religious opinion on others'.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Correction: Your response is typical of a modern liberal: falsely assert that objective Christian truth does not exist and/or can be understood..."

 

[p_rehbein]

Now this is really getting interesting. I respect a lot of the posters but do you really want me to accept percentages from the FBI? Are you serious the secret not secret police of white America.

Bit of an overreaction there Brother......If, as you suggest, the FBI is bias in their reporting, do you seriously believe for ONE MOMENT that the socialist liberal media in this Country would let it pass? Seriously? No way.......... A bit confused that you would take the approach of the "black victim" here.........Thought you had a better overall understanding than that...... ? All of this is Public Information, and if it were true that the FBI was falsely reporting these statistics, it would be all over the Nightly News.........so, yes, I do accept their report(s) until someone has credible evidence to dispute them.
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That is what they are. The socio economic inference is partially true to a degree but how did the problems occur in the first place. If you want change real change the playing field has to be level or more level than it is. How do you expect representation for black Americans to get better when white America is our voice. Let me explain if you don't go to term limits in offices of politics to get the entrenched ideas out of office we will continue down the same vein. This has been proven for over the 200 or so years white America has spoken for blacks and non blacks in America.Socio economics wont tell you that. If you have old white men in office, some longer, did I say old outdated thinking non progressive stuck in their way thinking old white men for 10 to 30 years representing the people where is my voice?

You are no less underrepresented than I am........so no sympathy from me on this point. Do I want "term limits?" Yes. Do those in Congress represent my overall beliefs? Not even close. Where is my voice? Where it has always been. Letter writing, emails, public speaking, and voting. Organizing like minded people to block vote against those who do not represent our values and beliefs.

And don't you dare say to me Al or Jesse they speak but not necessarily for me.

An unwarranted accusation/warning.............so I will just pretend you did not even say this.........(sigh)

In some instances they have it correct and others they are radical and way off base. How many black congressmen are there?

You could find this out easy enough.......just google it.........and, BTW you do know there is a black President?

This is about race equality, crime and inequality

So, now we are back to saying the Ferguson incident was racially motivated? (goodness)

and at no time will I ever advocate or except burning a building or looting to prove that cause. I don't even think marching helps.

I think media and high visibility are the tools to use.

You honestly the socialist liberal biased media of this Country is capable of Honesty, Integrity, and Truth in reporting? And you don't trust the FBI? Wow!

But hey as a black man what do I know? Right!

Another unwarranted comment to ignore...........

Many want us killing each other hence drugs in the community, many want us in fighting it takes the focus off the real issues. I still say sin is the culprit when we attack sin it attacks back.

pastac


I fully agree that the way our peoples have strayed from God is the very root of all of our problems in this Country..........so, who in our Country is to blame for the undermining of Christian values and morals in our Country.....???

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[AgeofKnowledge]

I have to go do some work but before I go, pastac you said "You mention cultural barriers what are they from the black perspective I'm sure we will not agree but who's words mean more a black man on some statistics written on paper."

My point is that, whatever they are, those cultural barriers that do not align with a correct exegesis of God's Word need to be discarded for new ones that do in order for people and society to reap the benefits which result from lives and societies that materially synch with God's perfect will.

Perhaps an example will help illustrate my point. Do you, for even a minute, really think that this represents a cultural norm in synch with God's perfect will for people and their societies?

Do I really need to differentiate between a black man not on paper and black man on paper to answer the question. No. The answer is painfully obvious that this cultural norm does not synch up with God's perfect will: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22:37-40&version=NASB

 

[Human]

Not mine o confused one: His (e.g. God's). Your response is typical of a modern liberal: falsely assert that objective Christian truth exists and/or can be understood and then personally attack the character of everyone who tries to correct their false assertion.

God wouldn't have given us His Word if it couldn't be both correctly understood and properly applied.

A correct exegesis of Christian epistemology is not "utter fantasy" as you falsely claim. The relativism you're demonstrating is a flawed philosophical view that has already been falsified by Christian scholars. I have shown that clearly on this forum on more than one occasion.

Your ignorance and flawed viewed of the world does not invalidate objective reality with respect to either God's special or general revelation.

Rather than me having to go through the entire lengthy process of falsifying philosophical relativism yet again, how about you stop making false assertions long enough to use the search feature.

No offense, but your ignorance and misunderstandings are really hindering this discussion from progressing and the resulting ad hominem a waste of time to read.

And pastac you need to read through my posts and let it sink in a bit as your replies don't really synch with them.

Answer the question then. What does a 'correct exegesis' look like? Because 'HIS' exegesis seems to look very, very different to a lot of very, very different people, o nefariously deluded one. Every Christian seems to have this idea that their interpretation is correct. If that's so, AgeOfKnowledge, then why are there so many that contradict one another? Are they ALL the 'correct exegesis' or just one? Which one? The interpretation you hold might not even BE the 'correct one', if the only 'correct one' is God's. I mean, do you profess that the interpretation you hold is the same as 'HIS' interpretation? Because if you do, then YOUR interpretation is apparently the basis for alleviating all of societies problems! And if you don't, then you admit philosophical relativism is a real thing, whether you believe it is a 'righteous' thing or not. It exists.

There's no middle ground there. You either have the 'correct' interpretation, or you don't.

Correct
Adjective

Free from error; in total accordance with fact or truth.

You dance around the problem by throwing sand, but tell me, do you have the exact correct exegesis you imagine we need to stop all 'the blacks' (as you say) committing crime?

If not, then even YOUR interpretation is relative, AgeOfKNowledge!! To deny that is to deny the REALITY that people in the real world assert the existence of objective moral truths about God that vary and often contradict one-another.

You'll no doubt reply with some nonsense about relativism being a liberal ideology destroying the world, how I'm making a 'false assertion' (as you so often like to say), and how objective moral absolutes are God's pride and joy, but crucially, and as always, you'll fail to either confirm or deny that your interpretation of God's word is the 'correct' one, simply because, and here's the kicker - you simply don't know.

Whine on about the existence of moral absolutes and the evil of relativism, but the fact is you live in a relative world, whether you like it or not.

 

[pastac]

I have to go do some work but before I go, pastac you said "You mention cultural barriers what are they from the black perspective I'm sure we will not agree but who's words mean more a black man on some statistics written on paper."

My point is that, whatever they are, those cultural barriers that do not align with a correct exegesis of God's Word need to be discarded for new ones that do in order for people and society to reap the benefits which result from lives and societies that materially synch with God's perfect will.

Perhaps an example will help illustrate my point. Do you, for even a minute, really think that this represents a cultural norm in synch with God's perfect will for people and their societies?

Do I really need to differentiate between a black man not on paper and black man on paper to answer the question. No. The answer is painfully obvious that this cultural norm does not synch up with God's perfect will: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A37-40&version=NASB

And to that assentation mostly I agree yet You have not answered the question. Who's' thoughts mean more to a black man who feels unjust treatment his or stats saying he is wrong for various reasons. Do you even read my post I have clearly said this is a sin issue. Yet it is masqueraded as other than sin by media and even we as Blacks because we buy into the false perceptions of our own images created systemically by a media that has desensitized many with the propaganda at hand.

Your points are valid only when considering that blackmen are in a different category in the jails and in reality due partly to our own choice but partly because of a system geared to put us there. The killing aspect we have addressed and know the answers to that one. So as to the cultural barriers they do exist and have and crossing them will take an act of God because this issue will not go away until equality has been given to all.
pastac

 

[pastac]

Originally Posted by pastac

Now this is really getting interesting. I respect a lot of the posters but do you really want me to accept percentages from the FBI? Are you serious the secret not secret police of white America.

Bit of an overreaction there Brother......If, as you suggest, the FBI is bias in their reporting, do you seriously believe for ONE MOMENT that the socialist liberal media in this Country would let it pass? Seriously? No way.......... A bit confused that you would take the approach of the "black victim" here.........Thought you had a better overall understanding than that...... ? All of this is Public Information, and if it were true that the FBI was falsely reporting these statistics, it would be all over the Nightly News.........so, yes, I do accept their report(s) until someone has credible evidence to dispute them.
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over reaction by whose definition yours or mine. I don't push folk around I say what needs to be said accept it or not but overreact that's a bit condescending maybe you're overreacting. I am a black victim trying to keep my sons from dying as black victims trying to keep myself from dying as a black victim. One mistaken identity from death is every innocent black man alive. The criminal element has placed me in that position because of my skin color that is just a fact. This is the same FBI that has for years tried to cover up deaths of blackmen and continues to keep secret records. You trust them I don't that is clear. I'm just not that trusting of the office of the FBI
That is what they are. The socio economic inference is partially true to a degree but how did the problems occur in the first place. If you want change real change the playing field has to be level or more level than it is. How do you expect representation for black Americans to get better when white America is our voice. Let me explain if you don't go to term limits in offices of politics to get the entrenched ideas out of office we will continue down the same vein. This has been proven for over the 200 or so years white America has spoken for blacks and non blacks in America.Socio economics wont tell you that. If you have old white men in office, some longer, did I say old outdated thinking non progressive stuck in their way thinking old white men for 10 to 30 years representing the people where is my voice?

You are no less underrepresented than I am........so no sympathy from me on this point. Do I want "term limits?" Yes. Do those in Congress represent my overall beliefs? Not even close. Where is my voice? Where it has always been. Letter writing, emails, public speaking, and voting. Organizing like minded people to block vote against those who do not represent our values and beliefs.
I am less represented than you inmay respects and I'm sad you have been convinced you are not


And don't you dare say to me Al or Jesse they speak but not necessarily for me.

An unwarranted accusation/warning.............so I will just pretend you did not even say this.........(sigh)
It has been suggested by many they speak for black America and they do to a degree but I do not agree with all they say or from the platforms they choose to say it from sigh oh well Sorry Jessee sorry Al

In some instances they have it correct and others they are radical and way off base. How many black congressmen are there?

You could find this out easy enough.......just google it.........and, BTW you do know there is a black President?
Do you know he is half black and has caught hell since being in office still think race is not a factor????
This is about race equality, crime and inequality still missing that point I see

So, now we are back to saying the Ferguson incident was racially motivated? (goodness)
Partially so we never got away from that as a fact sorry if you though otherwise

and at no time will I ever advocate or except burning a building or looting to prove that cause. I don't even think marching helps.

I think media and high visibility are the tools to use.

You honestly the socialist liberal biased media of this Country is capable of Honesty, Integrity, and Truth in reporting? And you don't trust the FBI? Wow!
See your thinking and my thinking are way off base media is print electronic various other methods, I 'm saying we are educated enough to tell our own story without the aid of spin doctors or them who filter our words for ratings that is my point don't censor my truth like it has been done for years let me speak freely openly truthfully that's what I'm saying by media

But hey as a black man what do I know? Right!

Another unwarranted comment to ignore...........
Seriously unwarranted by whose definition??? you just blew me off because what I say dosent fit in your cookie cutter mold come on........

Many want us killing each other hence drugs in the community, many want us in fighting it takes the focus off the real issues. I still say sin is the culprit when we attack sin it attacks back.

pastac


I fully agree that the way our peoples have strayed from God is the very root of all of our problems in this Country..........so, who in our Country is to blame for the undermining of Christian values and morals in our Country.....???

We blame who is behind the scencs pulling the strings the father of lies yet he is hidden from view as the agrrnda machine takes the forefront and causes the media outpouring of continued ignorance on the parts of many. I am clear sin is the culprit and prayer is the answer but we get caught up in the frenzy and I guess ben blood is in the water the sharks all want to feed
pastac

@p_rehbein

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[Brainfreeze]

Still not accurate still several civil rights laws on the books are outdated and have never had a full effect hence still fighting for civil rights, but now its just not blacks. Many forget civil rights are for all its just we were the face of such cruel injustices and inequity that the focus was us. Not necessarily true then the statement in post #259 some truth but not all true. Blacks still don't have full civil rights as don't many other races in America.
pastac

So ... What rights are missing? Or assistance ? While we are over are head in debt as a country....

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