Cop Not Indicted

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
P

pastac

Guest
come on do a search of what civil rights laws are enacted to date most are for discrimination pay and housing voters rights and so much more this is elementary I wont go into a great dissertation you know its true what have I said that is un true I stated that statement was not accurate and its not several civil rights laws are violated each day look at the sham of voting look at the jails and religious freedoms under attack but if you think civil rights are ok then for you they may be ok
pastac
 
Oct 30, 2014
1,150
7
0
P

pastac

Guest
[h=1]Civil rights an overview[/h]A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, and assembly; the right to vote; freedom from involuntary servitude; and the right to equality in public places. Discrimination occurs when the civil rights of an individual are denied or interfered with because of their membership in a particular group or class. Various jurisdictions have enacted statutes to prevent discrimination based on a person's race, sex, religion, age, previous condition of servitude, physical limitation, national origin, and in some instances sexual orientation.
The most important expansions of civil rights in the United States occurred as a result of the enactment of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. The Thirteenth Amendment abolished slavery throughout the United States. See U.S. Const. amend. XIII. In response to the Thirteenth Amendment, various states enacted "black codes" that were intended to limit the civil rights of the newly free slaves. In 1868 the Fourteenth Amendment countered these "black codes" by stating that no state "shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of the citizens of the United States... [or] deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, [or] deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." See U.S. Const. amend. XIV. Section Five of the Fourteenth Amendment gave Congress the power by section five of the Fourteenth Amendment to pass any laws needed to enforce the Amendment.
During the reconstruction era that followed, Congress enacted numerous civil rights statutes. Many of these are still in force today and protect individuals from discrimination and from the deprivation of their civil rights. Section 1981 of Title 42 (Equal Rights Under the Law) protects individuals from discrimination based on race in making and enforcing contracts, participating in lawsuits, and giving evidence. See 42 U.S.C. § 1981. Other statutes, derived from acts of the reconstruction era, that protect against discrimination include: Civil Action for Deprivation of Rights (See 42 U.S.C. § 1983); Conspiracies to Interfere With Civil Rights (See 42 U.S.C. § 1985); Conspiracy Against Rights of Citizens (See 18 U.S.C. § 241); Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law, (See 18 U.S.C. § 242); The Jurisdictional Statue for Civil Rights Cases (See 28 U.S.C. § 1443); and Peonage Abolished (See 42 U.S.C. § 1994).
The most prominent civil rights legislation since reconstruction is the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Decisions of the Supreme Court at the time limited Congressional enforcement of the 14th Amendment to state, rather than individual, action. (Since 1964 the Supreme Court has expanded the reach of the 14th Amendment in some situations to individuals discriminating on their own). Therefore, in order to reach the actions of individuals, Congress, using its power to regulate interstate commerce, enacted the Civil Rights Act of 1964 under Title 42, Chapter 21 of the United States Code. Discrimination based on "race, color, religion, or national origin" in public establishments that have a connection to interstate commerce or are supported by the state is prohibited. See 42 U.S.C. § 2000a. Public establishments include places of public accommodation (e.g., hotels, motels, and trailer parks), restaurants, gas stations, bars, taverns, and places of entertainment in general. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and subsequent legislation also declared a strong legislative policy against discrimination in public schools and colleges which aided in desegregation. Title VI of the Civil Rights Act prohibits discrimination in federally funded programs. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act prohibits employment discrimination where the employer is engaged in interstate commerce. Congress has passed numerous other laws dealing with employment discrimination. See Employment Discrimination.
The judiciary, most notably the Supreme Court, plays a crucial role in interpreting the extent of the civil rights, as a single Supreme Court ruling can alter the recognition of a right throughout the nation. Supreme Court decisions can also affect the manner in which Congress enacts civil rights legislation, an occurence that occurred with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The federal courts have been crucial in mandating and supervising school desegregation programs and other programs established to rectify state or local discrimination.
In addition to federal guarantees, state constitutions, statutes and municipal ordinances provide further protection of civil rights. See, e.g., New York's Civil Rights Law.
 

Oncefallen

Idiot in Chief
Staff member
Jan 15, 2011
6,040
3,313
113

I've been biting my tongue on this issue, but since you brought it up......

While minorities gripe about "discrimination" small business owners such as the one that I work for are discriminated against when bidding US Govt. work solely because he is a white man since a minority owned business can bid same job for a higher price and secure the contract anyway. It is not my boss' fault that by far fewer persons in minorities (per capita) open businesses that bid government work.

While minorities complain about "discrimination" highly qualified white men are rejected for police, fire, and other government jobs not based on their lack of qualifications, but because of the color of their skin. It is not the fault of applicants for these jobs that by far fewer (per capita) qualified minorities apply for these jobs.

While minorities complain about "discrimination" white young adults are turned away from top colleges and universities, not because they had bad grades or poor scores on entrance exams but because of the color of their skin. It is not the fault of these students that (per capita) by far fewer qualified minorities apply to these schools.

IMO it's time that members of the minority classes decided that they don't want to be treated special and just asked to be judged based on their merits. Twenty years ago I worked with (I was a tow truck driver) a black CHP officer that told me straight out that the one thing that bothered him when he was accepted to the academy was he didn't know (and never would) if he was accepted because he was the most qualified for the job, or because they had a quota to fill.

It would seem to me that any self respecting person would want to judged based on their merits, not the color of their skin (or gender) when it comes to the workplace. It seems to me that the quota systems in place are a smack in the face of minorities because the message that is sent by them is that minorities are incapable of succeeding on a level playing field.
 
P

pastac

Guest
Yet that is true not only for blacks, but for the young white men you speak of and other ethnic minorities as well hence civil rights, the issue at hand though is the overt use of force including death of blackmen in general when applying the supposed same laws to all. It seems to be a double standard of law.

It just doesn't add up. We can meander all day back and forth on race equality injustice or the horde of other issues that are media darlings but the truth is I fear for my sons and myself everyday and that's a sad commentary for a 52 year old man. I don't fear so much the life issues but that I may be mistaken or my sons accused and I know our socio economic status has us clear we are not environmental products. Just being black men. Skin color is a issue always has been always will be until our trip to heaven then we can really understand. And to truly level the playing field one must admit that it has not and is not level now and quotas are not the answer.
pastac
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Oncefallen

Idiot in Chief
Staff member
Jan 15, 2011
6,040
3,313
113
Yet that is true not only for blacks, but for the young white men you speak of and other ethnic minorities as well hence civil rights, the issue at hand though is the overt use of force including death of blackmen in general when applying the supposed same laws to all. It seems to be a double standard of law.
The point I was trying to make is that a large percentage of African-Americans complain that law enforcement deals with them differently (negatively) solely because of the color of their skin, but then go on the political war path when someone tries to repeal racial quota laws which deal with them differently (positively) solely because of the color of their skin.
 
P

pastac

Guest
The point I was trying to make is that a large percentage of African-Americans complain that law enforcement deals with them differently (negatively) solely because of the color of their skin, but then go on the political war path when someone tries to repeal racial quota laws which deal with them differently (positively) solely because of the color of their skin.
Agreed totally in agreement that is the quandary and dilemma we face and the solution is?????
pastac
 

Oncefallen

Idiot in Chief
Staff member
Jan 15, 2011
6,040
3,313
113
Agreed totally in agreement that is the quandary and dilemma we face and the solution is?????
pastac
I started to type a rather lengthy response (the problem is multi-faceted and the fix is likewise) but then realized I would not be able to finish it since it's getting late and my alarm goes crazy at 5:30 am. I'll try to remember to revisit my response tomorrow.

 
Aug 13, 2013
965
8
18
2 words Louis Farrakhan... Look online and see what he proposes. Race war?
 
C

ChristIsGod

Guest
I blame the parents. Truly very sad how many children are not being raised as they used to be in the black community.
Single parents. Many without a good Dad figure or careless Mom's.
White or black, back in the 60's we started to see women getting pregnant with more and more children with no husband just to get more money for each new child. Such a break down in family values that wasn't there with either race before.
Dad's showing up to see the kids when the welfare check came in to get some dough and the like.
Doing drugs in front of kids. It goes on and on. I lived near Paterson N.J. and saw a lot when in that town and working in the Paterson General Hospital back in the early 70's. No way for children to be raised and it sure does break one's heart and makes ya want to adopt a slew of them.
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,427
6,657
113
Regarding the entirety of post #277...........

pastac: If your comments were intended to be "generally speaking," then ok, but they appeared to be directed at me personally, and thus my comments...........

As for the FBI..........trusting or not trusting........they are no less corrupt than the entire US Government.....and probably less so.......To agree with your view, I would need hard evidence of such actions............especially since it was the FBI that exposed almost ALL of the horrific racial crimes in the South during the late 50's and early to mid 60's.....

just saying..........

===============================

But hey as a black man what do I know? Right!

Another unwarranted comment to ignore...........
Seriously unwarranted by whose definition??? you just blew me off because what I say dosent fit in your cookie cutter mold come on........
================================

Didn't blow you off at all.........and I don't look at the world through a "cookie cutter" view......this is what I am speaking of.....If you insist on painting all people in such a way, how do you differ from those you are speaking of? Your comment was unwarranted because I don't throw up those two guys as being the "voice of the black peoples." I do blame them for their shameless use of real issues, and real victims for self promotion and enrichment.

You said: I think media and high visibility are the tools to use.

You do realize that these two are not particularly agreeable? See this is how Jessie and Al make their living........draw in the media to a "staged" circus event under the guise of wanting to advance racial harmony........and receiving high visibility by doing so. Goodness...........Obama appoints Sharpton to lead his efforts on racial issues? Seriously? There are hundreds of black Ministers/Community leaders across this country who are far better qualified to speak for and represent their peoples than Sharpton.............but because they do not cow-toe to the liberal ideology of poor black folk being abused by evil whitey, they do not receive any coverage on/in the News........And they certainly don't get an invite from the White House........

Anyway...........God bless and keep you and yours......
 
Dec 18, 2013
6,733
45
0
As far as the protests go, multiple protests across the nation continued on Monday, but they were all peaceful from what I have seen.
Ferguson: Protesters demand action as Obama gives plan - CNN.com


I saw on the TV news that President Obama has revealed a handful of ideas and proposals in reaction to the Ferguson/Mike Brown incidents (sorry no online article yet, just now saw it on TV.) Some of the ideas, like "police training" and "community outreach" I think to be quite blunt are futile and little more than a PR campaign.

Though I did see one very interesting idea that President Obama put forth that seems to have a good chance of being implemented and is pragmatic and practical. The President announced an idea to spend a few milllion dollars to outfit the police with body cameras.

I think this a good idea as on one hand it will help the common man against police harassment and brutality, which is a very real issue, especially for people around my age. On the other hand in the event of an incident wherein the police actually do have to act in self defense or are falsely accused by people, and this also is a very real issue for the USA is a violent society, this would help vindicate them.

I am sort of curious if anyone else has heard or seen about Obama's "Police Body Cam" idea and any thoughts on that specific idea.
 
P

pastac

Guest
Regarding the entirety of post #277...........

pastac: If your comments were intended to be "generally speaking," then ok, but they appeared to be directed at me personally, and thus my comments...........

As for the FBI..........trusting or not trusting........they are no less corrupt than the entire US Government.....and probably less so.......To agree with your view, I would need hard evidence of such actions............especially since it was the FBI that exposed almost ALL of the horrific racial crimes in the South during the late 50's and early to mid 60's.....

just saying..........

===============================

But hey as a black man what do I know? Right!

Another unwarranted comment to ignore...........
Seriously unwarranted by whose definition??? you just blew me off because what I say dosent fit in your cookie cutter mold come on........
================================

Didn't blow you off at all.........and I don't look at the world through a "cookie cutter" view......this is what I am speaking of.....If you insist on painting all people in such a way, how do you differ from those you are speaking of? Your comment was unwarranted because I don't throw up those two guys as being the "voice of the black peoples." I do blame them for their shameless use of real issues, and real victims for self promotion and enrichment.

You said: I think media and high visibility are the tools to use.

You do realize that these two are not particularly agreeable? See this is how Jessie and Al make their living........draw in the media to a "staged" circus event under the guise of wanting to advance racial harmony........and receiving high visibility by doing so. Goodness...........Obama appoints Sharpton to lead his efforts on racial issues? Seriously? There are hundreds of black Ministers/Community leaders across this country who are far better qualified to speak for and represent their peoples than Sharpton.............but because they do not cow-toe to the liberal ideology of poor black folk being abused by evil whitey, they do not receive any coverage on/in the News........And they certainly don't get an invite from the White House........

Anyway...........God bless and keep you and yours......
This for me is never personal except for the fact that I keep making aside from all the stuff discussed whether we agree or not.I have gained some small insights into a few things but yet I am a hard line staunch believer that race is one of the main issues still not the only one but a main one. All I am saying is for me with 2 sons it is scary, for me as a blackman its scary everyday. Along with all the other crap I have to deal with I have to seriously worry about being shot or my sons being shot. Gives a man gray hairs that he never had.

My generalizations are just that the perspective of one man. No more merit than any other just voicing my thoughts. I agree with you we are several who speak as community leaders and Pastors but no one wants to hear the real truth its not good for ratings unless it can be given a spin or censored. The Al and Jesse reference was to earlier comments in the thread and just another generalization that hey say some decent things but the majority is radical and inflammatory.
I don't consider myself as painting everyone in a light that is truly unwarranted yet I give credence to the facts that present themselves each day in my little corner of the world and not so much the world at large. I said actually I think that media and high visibility are tools to use and gave an example of not just news but social media, print saturation of hbcu campuses and such like and then that needs to be uncensored and unfiltered to really gain notice. So I hope we continue on this vein of discussion it is healthy.
peace to you and your household
pastac
 
P

pastac

Guest
As far as the protests go, multiple protests across the nation continued on Monday, but they were all peaceful from what I have seen.
Ferguson: Protesters demand action as Obama gives plan - CNN.com


I saw on the TV news that President Obama has revealed a handful of ideas and proposals in reaction to the Ferguson/Mike Brown incidents (sorry no online article yet, just now saw it on TV.) Some of the ideas, like "police training" and "community outreach" I think to be quite blunt are futile and little more than a PR campaign.

Though I did see one very interesting idea that President Obama put forth that seems to have a good chance of being implemented and is pragmatic and practical. The President announced an idea to spend a few milllion dollars to outfit the police with body cameras.

I think this a good idea as on one hand it will help the common man against police harassment and brutality, which is a very real issue, especially for people around my age. On the other hand in the event of an incident wherein the police actually do have to act in self defense or are falsely accused by people, and this also is a very real issue for the USA is a violent society, this would help vindicate them.

I am sort of curious if anyone else has heard or seen about Obama's "Police Body Cam" idea and any thoughts on that specific idea.
that should have been done years ago but better late than never I wonder if this includes all police state patrol any badged officer or just specific ones??
pastac
 
Dec 18, 2013
6,733
45
0
that should have been done years ago but better late than never I wonder if this includes all police state patrol any badged officer or just specific ones??
pastac
Not too sure exactly which sort of police will be outfitted with the cameras. From the CNN article above posted they make mention of the body cams stating that they aim to outfit around 50,000 "law enforcement officials" with them. This of course is a rather vague statement, so my assumption here is that it is mostly for common police given the number.

Granted this won't end the problems of police criminality nor common criminality, but I think its a good move by Obama at least for tackling the accountability issue. Then again I suppose dashcams were made for this purpose and those can and have been manipulated, but we shall just have to watch and see.
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,427
6,657
113
Cameras on Cops can be good........and they can be not so good..........but, hey, IF folks do not trust the word of a cop, then maybe a camera is ok...........

BUT THEN..........should we not also put cameras on known criminals?

Seems to me if we truly want to deter wrong doing, shoot, let us put cameras on everyone! And, why stop there? How about surgically implanted micro-chips to track everyone's every movement, and micro-implanted transmitters to record every word everyone speaks.........

There's a whole lot of people out there (other than cops) that I don't trust too!
 
Dec 18, 2013
6,733
45
0
Cameras on Cops can be good........and they can be not so good..........but, hey, IF folks do not trust the word of a cop, then maybe a camera is ok...........

BUT THEN..........should we not also put cameras on known criminals?

Seems to me if we truly want to deter wrong doing, shoot, let us put cameras on everyone! And, why stop there? How about surgically implanted micro-chips to track everyone's every movement, and micro-implanted transmitters to record every word everyone speaks.........

There's a whole lot of people out there (other than cops) that I don't trust too!
Lol well in terms of implanting micro-chips, obviously that one has been thought of before, but they are highly unreliable and even health hazardous and have been mostly abandoned.

However, you don't need the chips to be in the body to be used in such manners. Lol, after all the cellphones are all chipped and bugged and can accomplish pretty much all of those things and much more. Lol, even some common appliances have such ulterior capabilities lol.

So way I see it, it is only logical we now spy on the spies.
 
K

kennethcadwell

Guest
Cameras on Cops can be good........and they can be not so good..........but, hey, IF folks do not trust the word of a cop, then maybe a camera is ok...........

BUT THEN..........should we not also put cameras on known criminals?

Seems to me if we truly want to deter wrong doing, shoot, let us put cameras on everyone! And, why stop there? How about surgically implanted micro-chips to track everyone's every movement, and micro-implanted transmitters to record every word everyone speaks.........

There's a whole lot of people out there (other than cops) that I don't trust too!

They are already in some places putting for certain offenses monitor bracelets on offenders, so that their every movement is tracked. They are constantly wanting to lock up and throw away the key on offenders, no matter what crime they commit. The problem is with this is that it does not go with what the Lord said about how we are to forgive others, as He has forgiven us.
The other thing is that police are suppose to be in a position to enforce peace and protect people, if we can not trust them to do that then there needs to be some accountability for that. In a lot of areas they have already put dash cams in police cars, and has been proven to decrease police brutality or misuse of force in those areas. Putting a micro cam in their badge they wear on their chest would make an officer think twice before acting.
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,427
6,657
113
Hmmmmmm, Brother Caldwell..........so you are in favor of forgiving the criminal, and trusting his word that he won't be naughty anymore...................BUT..........not cops? Gotta have cameras on them?

( :) )

If cameras on cops/dashboards does reduce wrong doing by cops, why would it not reduce wrong doing by known criminals?

Anyway.............cameras CAN be turned off...........
 

p_rehbein

Senior Member
Sep 4, 2013
30,427
6,657
113
GodIs..............it's that "1984 - Big Brother" stuff coming out I suspect............ :)

My main point was....................::::: if it will work in controlling/correcting the behavior of cops..............would it not work to control/correct the behavior of known criminals?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander..................