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kennethcadwell

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The authoritative word of God is not limited only to the words of Jesus in the NT.

All of Scripture is God-breathed and authoritative.

1) It doesn't require a "clear cut Scripture" to know what the Scriptures teach.
There is no "clear cut Scripture" stating a Triune God, but it is everywhere presented in the NT.
There is no "clear cut Scripture" stating God is sovereign, but it is everywhere presented in Scripture.
There is no "clear cut Scripture" stating that believers are in a relationship with God, but it is everywhere presented in the NT.

2) Ro 13:1-2, 4 are very clear regarding the Christian's obligation to obey the governing authority,
and regarding its God-authorized power of capital punishment (v.4).

3) Paul willingly offered to submit to capital punishment in Ac 25:11, which he would not have done
if doing so were Christian disobedience.
You will find submission to, and not prohibition of, capital punishment by Paul.


4) Jesus likewise reminded Peter that he would be subject to capital punishment if he killed any who were sent to arrest him, when he told Peter to put away his sword, for he who lives by the sword (commits murder) will die by the sword (capital punishment).
You will find acceptance of, and no prohibition of, capital punishment by Jesus.

The NT is clear on the God-authorized power of capital punishment by the governing authority.
Yes, they knew not they were taking the life of the innocent, rather than the guilty.

I see where you are going from with this, but notice he says if he has done anything deserving of death he will accept being put to death. The difference is standing up for God's law, over a man's law that is ungodly is not worthy of death.
Putting a person to death is now at the hands of the ungodly which is why I can not support it, biblical or ethnically.
Because there is so much misuse of the system, and only if the judgment of the system is done in a Godly manner could and should we agree with it.
The problem is there is they have taken a lot of correction side of t away, slowly making it hard to minister to them, and even after that people and the system still want to hold ones past against them. That also is unbiblical to do, Jesus says he forgave us our sins, and never uses them against us again. We are to show that same mercy on them.

There is though now a difference in one saying they are deserving of death, and the putting to death being justifiable or not. For I have said many times that I am deserving of death to for my ungodly deeds, but do to having a just Lord He has forgiven me of those deeds, so I should repay that same mercy to others that was shown to me.
Satan has a firm grasp on our judicial system, and he would want to have these prisoners be put to death before they can repent and have us agree with him. A soul he causes to die in unrepentance, is a win for him and a loss of a soul for the Lord.
I just know when I stand before the judgment seat of Christ and have to give an account of my life to Him. One of the questions I don't want Him to ask me is; Why did you not forgive them, and have mercy on them like I have shown you ?

Matthew 18:23-34

23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[b] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[c] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
 

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I see where you are going from with this, but
notice he says if he has done anything deserving of death he will accept being put to death. The difference is
standing up for God's law, over a man's law that is ungodly is not worthy of death
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This does not address the God-instituted authority for capital punishment by the state (Ro 13:4).

Putting a person to death is now at the hands of the ungodly which is why I can not support it, biblical or ethnically.
As it was in the days of Paul.

When Paul gave his teaching on God's institution of authority to the state to use the sword (capital punishment), there was no more ungodly authority than Nero, who murdered the Christ followers.
And Paul still taught we are to submit to the God-instituted governing authority which "did not bear the sword in vain," but had God-given authority to use it. . .as would have been the case for Peter had he killed any of those who came to arrest Jesus.

Because there is so much misuse of the system, and
only if the judgment of the system is done in a Godly manner could and should we agree with it.
Paul clearly disagrees with you.

For the God of the Bible is not only merciful, he is also eminently just.
 
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry in this thread now...
yea I totally lost interest in this thread it went to the extreme really fast I'm really too busy trying keep my sons safe and not to get shot everyday!!!
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PennEd

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Hmmmm... the democrats are wicked.... hmmm.

Well, I would put it this way:
in my opinion, it seems the more relativistic people are (which is inherently illogical), the more they move to the political left.

However, the left and right are both full of humans... humans who are corrupt and fallen.
Both sides are going to have their share of corruption and lies.
That's inevitable... whether we like it or not.

According to the Bible, who sins?
Is it people on the left, or people on right?
It's everyone.
Case closed.

You are of course correct that all sin no matter the party affiliation, however there IS a measurable difference between the wicked, evil AGENDA, as outlined in their own political platform, of the left (Democrats) than that of the republicans. If Christians were high info voters there can be no possible way they could ever pull a Democrat lever.
 

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You are of course correct that all sin no matter the party affiliation, however there IS a measurable difference between the wicked, evil AGENDA, as outlined in their own political platform, of the left (Democrats) than that of the republicans. If Christians were high info voters there can be no possible way they could ever pull a Democrat lever.
I agree there IS an ethical difference in their PLATFORMS... in what they CLAIM to believe and do.

I don't think there's so much difference in what they actually do do.
In fact, "do do" probably sums it all up pretty well.

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biscuit

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If Christians were high info voters there can be no possible way they could ever pull a Democrat lever.

I believe nothing would anger Jesus more than denying the poor, sick, blind, disabled and etc. a decent livelihood.

We could easily balance the budget but neither side wants to pay for it out of their corrupt pockets.
 
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If Christians were high info voters there can be no possible way they could ever pull a Democrat lever.

I believe nothing would anger Jesus more than denying the poor, sick, blind, disabled and etc. a decent livelihood.

We could easily balance the budget but neither side wants to pay for it out of their corrupt pockets.
Why help the poor ? You don't like the 750 BILLION on war for next year...(sarcasm)

US Military Budget: Components, Challenges, Growth
 
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kennethcadwell

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You are of course correct that all sin no matter the party affiliation, however there IS a measurable difference between the wicked, evil AGENDA, as outlined in their own political platform, of the left (Democrats) than that of the republicans. If Christians were high info voters there can be no possible way they could ever pull a Democrat lever.

This is not to sound rude, but I am so sick of people trying to claim republicans are more Christian than democrats.
I know plenty of democrats that are very good followers of Christ, and I can reverse that to and say I know plenty of republicans that are some of the most hateful, greedy, and uncaring people you ever met.
A lot of the democratic policies I don't agree with, but at least they have tried to push policies across that helped or would help middle to lower income families. And the republicans like the Bushes and Reagan made the living situations for the middle to lower class harder, and Romney wanted to raise taxes on them but lower them on the rich.
Now I know the republicans have done some good things, but so has the democrats, and they both have done terrible things to. But please get off this democrats are less Christian then republicans, it is completely false.
 
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This is not to sound rude, but I am so sick of people trying to claim republicans are more Christian than democrats.
I know plenty of democrats that are very good followers of Christ, and I can reverse that to and say I know plenty of republicans that are some of the most hateful, greedy, and uncaring people you ever met.
A lot of the democratic policies I don't agree with, but at least they have tried to push policies across that helped or would help middle to lower income families. And the republicans like the Bushes and Reagan made the living situations for the middle to lower class harder, and Romney wanted to raise taxes on them but lower them on the rich.
Now I know the republicans have done some good things, but so has the democrats, and they both have done terrible things to. But please get off this democrats are less Christian then republicans, it is completely false.
At this point in government both sides are bitter-sweet...
 
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I liked Ron Paul, he was the probably the last one I liked that ran... He wanted to do things that just sound crazy to regular folks but are well needed... like auditing the federal reserve. He was a doctor that went to war, so I think he understood it more then these guys that employ policies that they have no clue about... It's hard to say Obama and war in the same sentence more or less think about the guy in fatigues. Guy has a hard time on a putt shot, don't know how he even processes anything at all when it comes to economy, war, freedom, foreign and domestic policies in general ... Here he is though
" commander and chief " smh...
 
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kennethcadwell

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I liked Ron Paul, he was the probably the last one I liked that ran... He wanted to do things that just sound crazy to regular folks but are well needed... like auditing the federal reserve. He was a doctor that went to war, so I think he understood it more then these guys that employ policies that they have no clue about... It's hard to say Obama and war in the same sentence more or less think about the guy in fatigues. Guy has a hard time on a putt shot, don't know how he even processes anything at all when it comes to economy, war, freedom, foreign and domestic policies in general ... Here he is though
" commander and chief " smh...

Yeah I know that, but my point was that I wish these guys would spend the same amount of time and effort on issue's in our own country that they spend on worrying about going to war and overseas policies.
 
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butterfly712

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I don't have the evidence so I won't speak on the verdict. I do hope though that the race card is dropped, and hopefully the rioting is a non-issue, too.

Hope this entire thing is over with and done.

We should all be praying for both families involved and the entirety of the town and surrounding area.
I agree,I hope all of these riots are done and over with soon,the world needs to be at peace.
 
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Charlatan Al Sharpton leads a crowd in NYC to chant ""What do we want? Dead cops!" instead of calling for the restoration of the traditional, moral, nuclear black family whose absence has resulted in a generation of fatherless male African-American criminals and a reduction in immigration and trade reform so they'll have jobs.

Al Sharpton Leads March in DC as NYC Protesters Chant: 'What Do We Want? Dead Cops!'
And the black community will suffer the most without law enforcement.

How's that for promoting destruction of your own community for the sake of your own personal gain and notoriety?

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. . .
How blind is that?

They need to "throw him under the bus."
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Which is what Rudy Giuliani tried to explain. The problem is that the liberal elevator doesn't go that high. In fact, it doesn't go past the first floor. Hence, they are reduced to chanting, "What do we want? Dead cops!" while cheering a screeding ring master who once bragged during the Tanya Brawley slanderous/libelous fabrication that he was going to be the "biggest [n word] in New York" which, of course, was his intent all along.


And the black community will suffer the most without law enforcement.

How's that for promoting destruction of your own community for the sake of your own personal gain and notoriety?

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. . .
How blind is that?

They need to "throw him under the bus."
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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It all boils down to the false narrative of the liberal left and the civil rights industry. They ignore the facts of both the Brown and Garner cases, continuing to chant "Hands up! Don't shoot!" despite 15 of the 20 witnesses saying Brown never put his hands up, and "I can't breathe!" while ignoring that the video proves the officer didn't use a choke hold, and the medical history of Garner, who was a walking heart attack/stroke waiting to happen.

The continuing effort to undermine police authority and make it a crime for a police officer to defend himself sickens me. Unjustified shootings by police officers of black suspects in the last year have totaled less than a dozen. Meanwhile, a police officer dies in the line of duty once every 58 hours. Additionally, 85% of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks.

Where's Al Sharpton's outrage about black-on-black crime?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Clowns like Al Charlatain merely divert the very people affected from discovering and fixing their problem (even though it's as clear as a white elephant in a crowded room). Here's the real problem: Breakdown of the Black Family, and Its Consequences - Discover the Networks

The Real Root Causes of Violent Crime: The Breakdown of Marriage, Family, and Community

http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc121e.pdf

The Moynihan Report and Ongoing Family Breakdown | National Review Online#

William Raspberry - Why Our Black Families Are Failing

FrontPage Magazine - The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies

In their landmark book America in Black and White, Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom make this profoundly important observation:
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“In the past three decades the proportion of intact married-couple families has declined precipitously even though the fraction of black women aged fifteen to forty-four who were divorced, separated, or widowed also went down.… It is thus not divorce but the failure to marry that has led to such a momentous change in black family patterns. The marriage rate for African Americans has plummeted in the past third of a century. In 1960 … lack women were only a shade less likely to marry than white women.... Today a clear majority of African American women aged fifteen to forty-five have never been married, as compared with just a third of their white counterparts…. Many fewer black women are marrying, and yet they continue to have children—which was not the case in an earlier era.”


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Secular atheist liberal feminists liberated them from their moral nuclear Christian families and now their children run wild in the streets.