Cop Not Indicted

[PennEd]

I return the sentiments ageofknowlege just wait for all the facts as we only have some of them the rest conveniently were not taken into account. Adamantly so this kid made tragic errors in judgment no doubt but he was unarmed and this was a trained officer of the law. I defend only the position of the killings of young black males is tragic as it is for any person killed. Race is the issue and injustice that picture is clear. I'm in agreement with the wrong on all parts but my goodness a generation of youth is being jailed or killed in front of our eyes and the grand jury is not so grand unless you consider all facts. And the fact is a9 whites three blacks seems like inequality to me discussing race facts.
pastac

Why have so many blacks abandoned Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's brilliant message to judge people by the content of their character not the color of their skin?
When this story 1st broke, and we only had the facts the media wanted to present, I too was outraged, and went on social media to express my outrage. Having NOTHING to do with race, but the fact that a seemingly innocent, unarmed 18 year old was unjustly killed by police. My outrage grew as I saw heavily militarized police with armored vehicles descend upon the town.
But then the real facts started trickling out:

1. Video of the strong arm robbery and assault on the store owner came out.

2. The toxicology report came back showing that Brown had enough THC (marijuana) in his system to induce hallucinations

3. The coroners report came back showing that not only was Brown NOT shot in the back (as 1st reported), but his hands were not up either.

4. The final straw came when it was released that Brown's blood was not only INSIDE the cop's car, but on the officer's gun itself, fully corroberating Wilson's account of events. THIS fact makes the claim "unarmed" null and void since if Brown was successful in getting the gun he would have killed the officer.
5. The looting and riots. The police have shown ridiculous restraint in this regard. I remember the old rule of thumb that looters would be shot. The behavior of these people is truly sickening and I favor YEARS of incarceration for anybody engaged in it.

THESE are the facts. That so many blacks can't seem to live with them is a testament to how successful the race baiters have become in our society.
Virtually EVERY white person I know have tried to live by King's message. Isn't it time that black America reject the Sharpton's and Jackson's and embrace King's message as well?


Finally, on this notion of the racial makeup of the Grand Jury. We are supposed to be judged by a jury of our peers. I hate the fact that we have to take into account people's skin color in these matters, but I didn't hear a single white person complain when O.J. Simpson was judged by 11 black jurors and 1 white.

Remember, at the end of the day, it is only Satan who is laughing in delight at all the racial strife and animus.

 

[pastac]

Thank you. We have a mutual respect for one another but disagree widely on this situation. One aspect of that disagreement is that you see this as a racial matter while I see it as a criminal matter.

The injustice here in my view is that a good police officer who killed an assailant in self-defense is being brandished as a "corrupt racist who murdered an unarmed child" when that narrative is as real as the fictional story of Disney's 'Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.'

All Michael Brown had to was live a moral life, instead of attacking a police officer and trying to disarm him shortly after committing a strong-arm robbery, and he'd be sitting in his living room watching the Missouri Tigers play this Friday on television.

we don't really disagree for it is both racial and criminal at the same time that is my point you cant separate the two not even sinners can do that. guilty of sin is a criminal act against God is it not?. Guilty to me is just guilty just like sin is just sin!
pastac
PASTAC

 

[pastac]

Why have so many blacks abandoned Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's brilliant message to judge people by the content of their character not the color of their skin?
When this story 1st broke, and we only had the facts the media wanted to present, I too was outraged, and went on social media to express my outrage. Having NOTHING to do with race, but the fact that a seemingly innocent, unarmed 18 year old was unjustly killed by police. My outrage grew as I saw heavily militarized police with armored vehicles descend upon the town.
But then the real facts started trickling out:

1. Video of the strong arm robbery and assault on the store owner came out.

2. The toxicology report came back showing that Brown had enough THC (marijuana) in his system to induce hallucinations

3. The coroners report came back showing that not only was Brown NOT shot in the back (as 1st reported), but his hands were not up either.

4. The final straw came when it was released that Brown's blood was not only INSIDE the cop's car, but on the officer's gun itself, fully corroberating Wilson's account of events. THIS fact makes the claim "unarmed" null and void since if Brown was successful in getting the gun he would have killed the officer.
5. The looting and riots. The police have shown ridiculous restraint in this regard. I remember the old rule of thumb that looters would be shot. The behavior of these people is truly sickening and I favor YEARS of incarceration for anybody engaged in it.

THESE are the facts. That so many blacks can't seem to live with them is a testament to how successful the race baiters have become in our society.
Virtually EVERY white person I know have tried to live by King's message. Isn't it time that black America reject the Sharpton's and Jackson's and embrace King's message as well?


Finally, on this notion of the racial makeup of the Grand Jury. We are supposed to be judged by a jury of our peers. I hate the fact that we have to take into account people's skin color in these matters, but I didn't hear a single white person complain when O.J. Simpson was judged by 11 black jurors and 1 white.

Remember, at the end of the day, it is only Satan who is laughing in delight at all the racial strife and animus.

PennEd you I take it are not a black man if so correct me if not let me shed some insight. I have daughters and sons and I fear for them equally. I fear that my son may be mistaken for some thug or robber or my daughter will be a victim of a assault against them. I fear for myself too and I'm a 52 year old well spoken well educated blackman but a bullet will never ask me was I guilty!

Now I'll address your concerns or points before I make my point.
1-Idiots loot and burn buildings that solves nothing. That is not a slam just a fact a burnt building shows ignorance to any injustice you are against when you create an injustice upon someone by burning or stealing proves nothing except that the perpetrators are misguided.
2-Yes he was guilty of strong arm robbery of cigars foolish but cigars are not a gun. No one condones his actions he was wrong period. His actions set in motion the events that took place later but only some of them not all
3-How the blanket blank can a coroner tell if his hands were up or not the boy fell to the ground after he was shot trajectory of bullets and all that jazz can easily be distorted 10 people said he had his hand up and was staggering after being shot not rushing that officer oh and he smoked weed well he nust have inhaled not like some of the recent politicians so he smoked weed
4- we have never questions if blood was in the car what difference does that make supposition and innuendo Wilson followed him and pulled his suv in front of him over cigars followed him sound familiar? Yes drove his suv over to a robber without backup and confronted a manchild boy whatever that he testified was bigger and stronger by his professional opinion his
words were hulk Hogan and a child his word not ours
5-you talk restraint that was premeditated riot for gain in action then you say you remember looters would be shot well I remember a cross burning in my front yard hard to shake that image.
These are the facts
Finally the notion that we don't know the racial divide and have access to the same information is still stupefying to me we have the same information but not the same access we know the percentages but as a blackman percentages don't matter when you might die any day or your son may be killed by a rogue scared civil servant.

Now my thoughts I police myself and my sons so the police don't have that to do yet they could still be a victim. I don't trust police they are not trustworthy in all aspects. They are just fallible men like most men some do it better than others some should never ever have been allowed badges in the first place. But granted access allowed that. Rejecting Sharpton and Jackson you have no idea what you speak of King was a man of sins too!
Words have power just because you don't like the words from the vessel they come from will never render the words ineffective that is why black Americans are in the position we are in we have allowed our views to be watered down and tainted and we have become our own enemy in most cases.
I said it before race is an issue and that too is a fact. How we address it here is the proving ground because heaven will be a jambalaya of races that love Christ and a saved by his grace not just white or black!!
pastac

 

[PennEd]

PennEd you I take it are not a black man if so correct me if not let me shed some insight. I have daughters and sons and I fear for them equally. I fear that my son may be mistaken for some thug or robber or my daughter will be a victim of a assault against them. I fear for myself too and I'm a 52 year old well spoken well educated blackman but a bullet will never ask me was I guilty!

Now I'll address your concerns or points before I make my point.
1-Idiots loot and burn buildings that solves nothing. That is not a slam just a fact a burnt building shows ignorance to any injustice you are against when you create an injustice upon someone by burning or stealing proves nothing except that the perpetrators are misguided.
2-Yes he was guilty of strong arm robbery of cigars foolish but cigars are not a gun. No one condones his actions he was wrong period. His actions set in motion the events that took place later but only some of them not all
3-How the blanket blank can a coroner tell if his hands were up or not the boy fell to the ground after he was shot trajectory of bullets and all that jazz can easily be distorted 10 people said he had his hand up and was staggering after being shot not rushing that officer oh and he smoked weed well he nust have inhaled not like some of the recent politicians so he smoked weed
4- we have never questions if blood was in the car what difference does that make supposition and innuendo Wilson followed him and pulled his suv in front of him over cigars followed him sound familiar? Yes drove his suv over to a robber without backup and confronted a manchild boy whatever that he testified was bigger and stronger by his professional opinion his
words were hulk Hogan and a child his word not ours
5-you talk restraint that was premeditated riot for gain in action then you say you remember looters would be shot well I remember a cross burning in my front yard hard to shake that image.
These are the facts
Finally the notion that we don't know the racial divide and have access to the same information is still stupefying to me we have the same information but not the same access we know the percentages but as a blackman percentages don't matter when you might die any day or your son may be killed by a rogue scared civil servant.

Now my thoughts I police myself and my sons so the police don't have that to do yet they could still be a victim. I don't trust police they are not trustworthy in all aspects. They are just fallible men like most men some do it better than others some should never ever have been allowed badges in the first place. But granted access allowed that. Rejecting Sharpton and Jackson you have no idea what you speak of King was a man of sins too!
Words have power just because you don't like the words from the vessel they come from will never render the words ineffective that is why black Americans are in the position we are in we have allowed our views to be watered down and tainted and we have become our own enemy in most cases.
I said it before race is an issue and that too is a fact. How we address it here is the proving ground because heaven will be a jambalaya of races that love Christ and a saved by his grace not just white or black!!
pastac

Pastac, my race is irrelavant. That's the whole point I'm trying to make. To move beyond judging people by their color.

Now to address your points:

Point 2- So the police get a call from a store clerk that someone stole a handful of of cigars and throttles and pushes the clerk, and their response should be what? Remember, the confrontation started because Brown was walking down the MIDDLE of the street and refused to move to the sidewalk when told to by Wilson, NOT for the strongarm robbery. This is a testament to just how high he was that he wouldn't even obey this simple request.

Point 3- um.. I think they're pretty good at autopsies, and if there was any evidence to suggest hands up or shot to the back they would have noted it.

Point-4 This really makes no sense. If there is blood IN the car AND especially on the gun then it forensically proves that Brown fought the officer in the car and tried to take the cops weapon. STOP:: Think about that for second.
AFTER this initial altercation it is the police officers duty to apprehend a suspected robber, and DEFINITE felon (assaulting a cop is a felon)That IS the PRIMARY job of the officer!

Point 5-What the heck a does a burning cross half a century ago have to do with rioting and looting (STEALING) today?
My family have been violently burglarized by black men in the early 1990s. Can I go out and burn, riot, and steal because of that? It's ridiculous.
You are right though. You may in fact be killed any day for being a black man. BUT the OVERWHELMING liklihood (93%) is that your murderer would ALSO be black.

Finally, if you want to accept by Jesse Jackson's words than please accept these from him:

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating". QUOTE- Jesse Jackson

 

[pastac]

PennEd race that you think is not an issue is an issue..You're burying your head in the sand if you think its not. You say move beyond race how tell me how when white cops kill blackmen in cold blood each day. This is about race men of all races get killed but the rate for blackmen is alarming. Just like other injustices in the fake justice system. Youre quick to point out statics I gave ageofknowledge a website to look at( Operationghettostorm) maybe it might shed some light into your dark view on race. We have the same facts and numbers too!
If you are not concerned for your specific race that's you. Blood in the car come on you're reaching this guy had invisible scratches looked like he cut himself shaving or popped a zit not like he was in a fight with hulk Hogan come on dude

I have had this tan all my life and its not a billion dollar a year industry like the suntan companies make a profit from. Folks only wanna be tan for awhile but no stigma attached to it. I carry the birthmark of tanness forever and all that goes with it.
I worry less about getting killed by another blackman and more by a white police officer I guess race isn't important to you but that's my world.
You run from the points I made of my sons which is a disconnect or a disregard in either case I as their father still worry. Your insensitivity makes you a prime candidate to sit on a grand jury. I worry for myself too, being shot for no crime by a police officer is real well maybe not for you.
And the cross burned in our yard was real just as real as the burglary you brought up!!I am right about more than you think. If you are a not black I could never begin to hope you would understand. Therin lies the dilemma.

I nor anyone with any sensibility condones burning or looting that's idiocy. This is not about Jesse to me he's just another man and his moral turpitude I question greatly as far as listening to anything he Al or any other who claims to speak for black Americans I take his word as about as much as I take yours!

 

[pastac]

I am a Christian man good information comes from many sources and I look at it all pray about it and move on. I try to stay alive keep my family alive teach my sons how to stay alive in this mad world
pastac

 

[pastac]

https://www.scribd.com/doc/136132369/Operation-Ghetto-Storm

 

[PennEd]

PennEd race that you think is not an issue is an issue..You're burying your head in the sand if you think its not. You say move beyond race how tell me how when white cops kill blackmen in cold blood each day. This is about race men of all races get killed but the rate for blackmen is alarming. Just like other injustices in the fake justice system. Youre quick to point out statics I gave ageofknowledge a website to look at( Operationghettostorm) maybe it might shed some light into your dark view on race. We have the same facts and numbers too!
If you are not concerned for your specific race that's you. Blood in the car come on you're reaching this guy had invisible scratches looked like he cut himself shaving or popped a zit not like he was in a fight with hulk Hogan come on dude

I have had this tan all my life and its not a billion dollar a year industry like the suntan companies make a profit from. Folks only wanna be tan for awhile but no stigma attached to it. I carry the birthmark of tanness forever and all that goes with it.
I worry less about getting killed by another blackman and more by a white police officer I guess race isn't important to you but that's my world.
You run from the points I made of my sons which is a disconnect or a disregard in either case I as their father still worry. Your insensitivity makes you a prime candidate to sit on a grand jury. I worry for myself too, being shot for no crime by a police officer is real well maybe not for you.
And the cross burned in our yard was real just as real as the burglary you brought up!!I am right about more than you think. If you are a not black I could never begin to hope you would understand. Therin lies the dilemma.

I nor anyone with any sensibility condones burning or looting that's idiocy. This is not about Jesse to me he's just another man and his moral turpitude I question greatly as far as listening to anything he Al or any other who claims to speak for black Americans I take his word as about as much as I take yours!

Ok peace to you and your family. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[Brainfreeze]

PennEd race that you think is not an issue is an issue..You're burying your head in the sand if you think its not. You say move beyond race how tell me how when white cops kill blackmen in cold blood each day. This is about race men of all races get killed but the rate for blackmen is alarming. Just like other injustices in the fake justice system. Youre quick to point out statics I gave ageofknowledge a website to look at( Operationghettostorm) maybe it might shed some light into your dark view on race. We have the same facts and numbers too!
If you are not concerned for your specific race that's you. Blood in the car come on you're reaching this guy had invisible scratches looked like he cut himself shaving or popped a zit not like he was in a fight with hulk Hogan come on dude

I have had this tan all my life and its not a billion dollar a year industry like the suntan companies make a profit from. Folks only wanna be tan for awhile but no stigma attached to it. I carry the birthmark of tanness forever and all that goes with it.
I worry less about getting killed by another blackman and more by a white police officer I guess race isn't important to you but that's my world.
You run from the points I made of my sons which is a disconnect or a disregard in either case I as their father still worry. Your insensitivity makes you a prime candidate to sit on a grand jury. I worry for myself too, being shot for no crime by a police officer is real well maybe not for you.
And the cross burned in our yard was real just as real as the burglary you brought up!!I am right about more than you think. If you are a not black I could never begin to hope you would understand. Therin lies the dilemma.

I nor anyone with any sensibility condones burning or looting that's idiocy. This is not about Jesse to me he's just another man and his moral turpitude I question greatly as far as listening to anything he Al or any other who claims to speak for black Americans I take his word as about as much as I take yours!

Race is a issue to some, that vibe is still around for sure, but not for everybody. As for burning crosses I understand, but imagine girls your daughters age getting guns jammed in their faces and robbed, that can leave a pretty terrible memory as well. As for this teen, the cop had more then the right to shoot, it's just the reality of it, we are talking life and death, if you touch a police mans gun, this is going to freak any cop out let alone a rookie, shots are supposed to be fired, where the bullets land, isn't really a choice, but then trying to apprehend the teen, it's his job to pursue, and usually criminals know when to give up, this teen shouldn't have been standing.

The real problem is the thuggish element, I was one so I recognize it, and what I see is a fatherless society with the streets as their family. These kids need backing from real men "Christian, all the better ", they need decent educations, and more jobs that need to come back from china and so fourth. We need to stop nation building, get troops and dads home with regular factory jobs, there's just a lot of fixing well needed, that J. Jackson or M. King can't help with, I'm with you though there Pastac, my paw " God bless his soul " who was a delta pilot, who flew M. King around a lot said, King didn't really bring change or peace, he used to rile folks up and then off to the next city he would go. Change has to start with us, then make government held accountable, Obama and crew have been a joke, we need real leadership, black, white, purple..

 

[ChristIsGod]

It's controlled ...all controlled, any real protest is heavily outweighed ...Something though, when even the Father asked for peace either way...they respect no one..

'Burn this b---- down!' Michael Brown's stepfather criticized for reaction to grand jury decision

Locally, we're not far from one of the cities that was on the Worst Cities list and there was hardly nothing even New worthy, but a a couple of people standing on a corner just speaking out a bit.

My head is spinning. I watched the full interview with George Stephanopoulos and watched as I was trained to do, the eyes, the facial expressions, any contradiction in answers [there was only one contradiction about his future career] and how the questions were framed and didn't find anything that wasn't apparently truthful in his answers -- but I'm sure others could say that he's had months to be primed for this type interview.... to which I say - I have no idea but eyes and facial expressions do normally give a human being away. He'd have to be so pre-conditioned through experts to pull this interview off as he did and have an amazing IQ or several "takes" on the production of this interview to clean it up or lots of programming of himself, personally.

I only see, from day one - how the media and Michael Brown's family are the ones that charged up these riots.
It was Yahoo that first found Officer Wilson's photo on Wilson's father's Facebook and put it out there.

They've played the race card to extremes I've never in my life have seen before.

They made and published their or the decision that "An Officer Shot an Unarmed 'child'" = Guilty - from day one and kept that up ever since. This yahoo video was the only one I've seen thus far that actually showed anything negative about the family's reaction.

The mother first said from the beginning -- "No Justice - No Peace" and that became the main slogan of the young people that protested besides Johnson's words that Michael Brown was shot in the back and had his hands up, saying "Don't shot" but there wasn't much about Johnson's record on many sites.

My own personal bottomline is - the people of color where I live are now PARANOID that we ALL will see them as Hell raising - town burners and are all but walking on thin ice now when at the stores or just living their daily lives outside of their home. It truly brings tears to my eyes whenever I've gone shopping at any store to see how they are reacting - with the fear that all of us white folk think that we see them all as Hell raisers that will shot us or burn our store down.

I was the only white person in the first Church that I was invited to when I first got saved. A Black Methodist Church near Virginia Beach, VA and they treated me like a baby in a Hospital's Nursery. Bought me Sunday-type dresses to wear and I lived with the Sister and her family as she was protecting me from my husband by taking me in and was the only Christian I knew at the time and was partly helpful in planting the first seeds that helped when I was alone at home and caught the tail end of a man on TV explaining Salvation ... a story I had never heard before.

I've always been the type of person that sided with the black people, because of seeing movies when I was young by Sidney Portier {sp?} and then later on "Roots". I advocated for them in discussions, liked their music and other talents that white people don't have and found that when they take you in - they were very family oriented - back in the 70's and before. Close knit families like I've never seen before with extended family just as tight as immediate family.
That began to change as the morals of this country changed and the music and entertainment atmosphere changed. Gang banger and hate cop music and films. Sex before marriage came in the '60's but hit the whites first. I knew more good black Churches than white Churches in my first few yrs of salvation and credit the black converted slaves for the Bible Belt going way back to the 1800's. They suffered back then and their Gospel hymns reflected that.

I do not want these black people in my County [Orange County, NY] to fear me. I'm hurt by it. I smile and say hello, as ususal and just as if nothing has happened in Ferugson and I pray we all make that same effort as Christians and of those that know that All men are created equal -- we're all from Adam & Eve - period.

Fear is a senseless thing for these innocent black people to have to feel .... I mean those that are not For destruction riots and I haven't met one yet that are giving those riots a thumbs up.... quite the contrary --- so the Main Stream Media - like msnbc that I saw at Dad's last night is stirring up -- "by design"!

 

[Brainfreeze]

'Burn this b---- down!' Michael Brown's stepfather criticized for reaction to grand jury decision

Locally, we're not far from one of the cities that was on the Worst Cities list and there was hardly nothing even New worthy, but a a couple of people standing on a corner just speaking out a bit.

My head is spinning. I watched the full interview with George Stephanopoulos and watched as I was trained to do, the eyes, the facial expressions, any contradiction in answers [there was only one contradiction about his future career] and how the questions were framed and didn't find anything that wasn't apparently truthful in his answers -- but I'm sure others could say that he's had months to be primed for this type interview.... to which I say - I have no idea but eyes and facial expressions do normally give a human being away. He'd have to be so pre-conditioned through experts to pull this interview off as he did and have an amazing IQ or several "takes" on the production of this interview to clean it up or lots of programming of himself, personally.

I only see, from day one - how the media and Michael Brown's family are the ones that charged up these riots.
It was Yahoo that first found Officer Wilson's photo on Wilson's father's Facebook and put it out there.

They've played the race card to extremes I've never in my life have seen before.

They made and published their or the decision that "An Officer Shot an Unarmed 'child'" = Guilty - from day one and kept that up ever since. This yahoo video was the only one I've seen thus far that actually showed anything negative about the family's reaction.

The mother first said from the beginning -- "No Justice - No Peace" and that became the main slogan of the young people that protested besides Johnson's words that Michael Brown was shot in the back and had his hands up, saying "Don't shot" but there wasn't much about Johnson's record on many sites.

My own personal bottomline is - the people of color where I live are now PARANOID that we ALL will see them as Hell raising - town burners and are all but walking on thin ice now when at the stores or just living their daily lives outside of their home. It truly brings tears to my eyes whenever I've gone shopping at any store to see how they are reacting - with the fear that all of us white folk think that we see them all as Hell raisers that will shot us or burn our store down.

I was the only white person in the first Church that I was invited to when I first got saved. A Black Methodist Church near Virginia Beach, VA and they treated me like a baby in a Hospital's Nursery. Bought me Sunday-type dresses to wear and I lived with the Sister and her family as she was protecting me from my husband by taking me in and was the only Christian I knew at the time and was partly helpful in planting the first seeds that helped when I was alone at home and caught the tail end of a man on TV explaining Salvation ... a story I had never heard before.

I've always been the type of person that sided with the black people, because of seeing movies when I was young by Sidney Portier {sp?} and then later on "Roots". I advocated for them in discussions, liked their music and other talents that white people don't have and found that when they take you in - they were very family oriented - back in the 70's and before. Close knit families like I've never seen before with extended family just as tight as immediate family.
That began to change as the morals of this country changed and the music and entertainment atmosphere changed. Gang banger and hate cop music and films. Sex before marriage came in the '60's but hit the whites first. I knew more good black Churches than white Churches in my first few yrs of salvation and credit the black converted slaves for the Bible Belt going way back to the 1800's. They suffered back then and their Gospel hymns reflected that.

I do not want these black people in my County [Orange County, NY] to fear me. I'm hurt by it. I smile and say hello, as ususal and just as if nothing has happened in Ferugson and I pray we all make that same effort as Christians and of those that know that All men are created equal -- we're all from Adam & Eve - period.

Fear is a senseless thing for these innocent black people to have to feel .... I mean those that are not For destruction riots and I haven't met one yet that are giving those riots a thumbs up.... quite the contrary --- so the Main Stream Media - like msnbc that I saw at Dad's last night is stirring up -- "by design"!

Nice post sis, and very nice testimony... As for the " step father ", don't think he cared about Mike as much as his own blood and bones father, that just lost his son, and asked for peace. I like this post though, one of substance.

 

[Billyd]

I would like to point you to the document that everyone (regardless of race) should read. It is over 4,000 pages long, and contains every word that the Grand Jury heard before they made a decision. In this soundbite, twitter, opinion world, it's difficult to take the time to look at reality. After reading the document, I would have to reach the same decision as the Grand Jury.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/11/24/ferguson-assets/grand-jury-testimony.pdf

 

[AbbeyJoy]

Sad that they made this into a race instead of Wilson feeling threaten by brown and did what he only could do... you think it be different it was a black cop and a white kid?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Been watching the protests for the past two nights, will be watching again tonight. Last night seemed calmer than that first night, but bigger like more cities with big protests. Wondering a bit how long these might go on. This could really be something major if they go on through Thanksgiving and friday. Stay safe ya'll.

 

[biscuit]

I would like to point you to the document that everyone (regardless of race) should read. It is over 4,000 pages long, and contains every word that the Grand Jury heard before they made a decision. In this soundbite, twitter, opinion world, it's difficult to take the time to look at reality. After reading the document, I would have to reach the same decision as the Grand Jury.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/11/24/ferguson-assets/grand-jury-testimony.pdf

I also agree with the Grand Jury. It is ironic that this tragedy could have been avoided if Michael Brown had shown respect for the law and the authority(police). I could never imagine myself cussing at a police officer and disobeying a direct order to hit the ground.

If I have an issue with a police officer, I would take the issue to his superiors or/and my attorney.

 

[Brainfreeze]

I also agree with the Grand Jury. It is ironic that this tragedy could have been avoided if Michael Brown had shown respect for the law and the authority(police). I could never imagine myself cussing at a police officer and disobeying a direct order to hit the ground.

If I have an issue with a police officer, I would take the issue to his superiors or/and my attorney.

You have a different perception of law enforcement ... There are terrible cops out there, but hopefully there weeded through. Tell me what you think when one tells you to get your hands on his car, with a burning hot engine that seeps thru the hood, as they rev, the engine, while another frisking says, don't make a move!! It gives one the idea " cops in general " aren't for you as a youngster. I've come across stuff like this and worse, cops with no care, just happy to have a position of power to abuse.

 

[crossnote]

Its about race UNTIL a black conservative is a nominee for the Supreme Court and gets nearly bulldozed by other blacks; or when a conservative black man running for the presidency is attacked in the very same way by other blacks...or when stats show more blacks are killed by B on B crime than by other races.
Maybe instead of this being a racial issue it's rather a lawless vs. law matter.
I've seen rioters of all colors, not rioting for a cause but rioting for cell phones, designer clothing and other free goodies.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Both states that I have lived in as an adult (CA & CO) have a myriad of programs available to prisoners ranging from education (both GED and college level), occupational training, etc. Unfortunately most of them choose to not take advantage of those programs. Prisoners who make the choice to turn their lives around and succeed upon their release typically do, but most of them choose to return to their former lives because they don't want to deal with the hastle of being responsible upstanding citizens.

I do agree that it is more difficult (not impossible) for ex-cons to find work, but those who are determined to succeed usually do. I work for a company that has employed countless ex-cons over the years, many of them hired while they were in a halfway house, but by far the majority of them haven't worked out for long because they chose to fall back into old life patterns that got them into trouble in the first place.

That maybe true in the areas you were from, but by general it is not, and if they do offer the programs they make no attempt to let the prisoners know they have them or help them in getting set up with them and their learning.
The other thing I have found out from looking into the system was that in learning a trait, they only offer that two prisoners that are going to be there 5 years or more. And out of those they only have a few slots available to them, so some are still left out.
Then say for an example you have 100 prisoners released in a month, but there is only 20 companies that is hiring that allows felons to work there. Even if each company has two jobs available that is only 40 people with jobs, meaning you still have 60 felons without work. Then you have to realize what type of felony they have, because even if a company hires felons they don't hire all felons. I know companies that will hire people with alcohol or drug felonies any day, but if the felony is for theft they will not. Plus how many of them do you think will hire murder or sex offense felons ?

Besides that like I said jobs are hard to come by from the average never in trouble person. My sister for one has no criminal record and she has put in 100's of applications and has still been without a job for 5 months now. Not all felons turn back to crime because they don't want responsibility. I will agree they do fall back to doing the same things that got them into trouble in the first place, but that is do to making life harder on a felon to live back in society.
So through stress, hatred toward the system, and feeling abandon from our government to help one succeed they falter and fall back to their sin.

 

[PennEd]

This woman, and people like her, are where my sympathies are in this disgusting mess:

[video=youtube;Y5HPP-wbSko]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5HPP-wbSko[/video]

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

It already happened in Salt Lake City to an unarmed young white man who never assaulted or threatened any police officer. You can watch the officer's bodycam video here at the Salt Lake Tribune's YouTube channel:

[video=youtube_share;o1UjKqzVDCw]http://youtu.be/o1UjKqzVDCw[/video]

'Justice for Dillon Taylor' sought for white Utah man fatally shot by black officer - Washington Times

Cop kills white man, media hide race

As you can clearly see, Dillon never assaulted anyone. He certainly didn't punch the officer in the face and attempt to disarm him. The police officer's come out guns drawn ordering the young man to get down on the ground. The young man disregarded the police officer's instructions and attempted to walk away nervously lifting up his shirt in the process. The black police officer shot the young white man dead on the spot.

Dillon, like Michael Brown, was gang associated (though not a member) and was wanted for a robbery he had recently committed. He had a minor juvenile criminal record but no adult one.

The media quickly dropped this story; however, as the races were reversed from what they needed to be for liberals and the liberal media in the U.S. to deem it newsworthy.

Personally, I'm not going to defend Dillon because the police were serving an arrest warrant for robbery and Dillon disregarded their lawful orders, illegally attempted to flee, and acted in such a way that the black officer believed Dillon was presenting a weapon and might use it.

But for the purposes of gauging the Michael Brown supporter outcry; this dead young man never assaulted anyone nor tried to disarm anyone and he was completely unarmed. So where is Al Sharpton? Where is Obama? Where is the outcry from the black community?

It's non-existent. Dillon and the police officer are both the wrong color for the liberal script being run in this nation so they don't count and aren't newsworthy.

Sad that they made this into a race instead of Wilson feeling threaten by brown and did what he only could do... you think it be different it was a black cop and a white kid?