Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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cv5

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Both aisle opinions which is displayed in this thread are what makes national security concerned. Not for expressing your opinions, but because too many of you put on full public display how inhumane you think the other side is.
Freedom of speech and thought is a national security concern? Formerly this was an untouchable sacrosanct right that the government could never impede.

But nowadays? Not so much. And going down the drain rapidly.
 

Susanna

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Freedom of speech and thought is a national security concern? Formerly this was an untouchable sacrosanct right that the government could never impede.

But nowadays? Not so much. And going down the drain rapidly.
Why don’t you respond to what I said instead of detouring?
 

jamessb

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I disagree.

All you do is attack Trump. Well let's see, under Biden and the Democrats, we have the botched Afghanistan withdrawal which got 13 US Marines killed, we have the defund the police fiasco, which emboldened criminals to attack the police and has resulted in a record high crime rate, we have record high inflation and we also have an ILLEGAL immigration invasion of America which has boosted human and drug trafficking, along with soaring deaths by fentanyl, not to mention forced covid vaccinations and job terminations, a shady election and a bogus insurrection accusation scheme on J6 etc.. I can't imagine why anyone would want to attack Biden and the Democrats. Under Trump we had a tax reduction that raised my paycheck, a record high stock market, a much more secure border and we were not on the verge of WW3. Who's the dictator?

BTW: I don't have hatred towards a free America and other Christians. Also keep in mind that there are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers and it's not hard to find them mixed together in various churches and on various Christian forum sites.

Convicted criminal? How long has Trump been in prison now?
Nice try at changing the subject. Typical Trumpie strategy!

Obviously you don't know that you don't necessarily have to go to jail if you're a convicted criminal. Trump owes almost a half-billion dollars for his financial crimes. And there are more penalties to come.

From Time Magazine...

Donald Trump became the first U.S. President to be indicted in the nation’s 234-year history—and has since broken that record three more times.

He has now been charged in four separate criminal cases related to his business and political activities, bringing his total criminal charges to date to 91. The cases are expected to play out over the coming months, setting up a long string of legal battles that will overlap with the November 2024 election as Trump runs for President again.

In New York, Trump faces over 34 felony counts over allegations that he falsified business records to conceal hush-money payments to a porn star. He’s also facing 40 felony counts in Florida for allegedly hoarding classified documents and obstructing the government’s efforts to retrieve them, and four counts in Washington related to his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Most recently, the district attorney in Fulton County, Ga. charged Trump with 13 felony counts in connection to his alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election result in that state.

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You are supporting a CRIMINAL to be President of this country!!!

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Read what Jesus had to say about the behavior exhibited by Trump!
 

Cameron143

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Nice try at changing the subject. Typical Trumpie strategy!

Obviously you don't know that you don't necessarily have to go to jail if you're a convicted criminal. Trump owes almost a half-billion dollars for his financial crimes. And there are more penalties to come.

From Time Magazine...

Donald Trump became the first U.S. President to be indicted in the nation’s 234-year history—and has since broken that record three more times.

He has now been charged in four separate criminal cases related to his business and political activities, bringing his total criminal charges to date to 91. The cases are expected to play out over the coming months, setting up a long string of legal battles that will overlap with the November 2024 election as Trump runs for President again.

In New York, Trump faces over 34 felony counts over allegations that he falsified business records to conceal hush-money payments to a porn star. He’s also facing 40 felony counts in Florida for allegedly hoarding classified documents and obstructing the government’s efforts to retrieve them, and four counts in Washington related to his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Most recently, the district attorney in Fulton County, Ga. charged Trump with 13 felony counts in connection to his alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election result in that state.

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You are supporting a CRIMINAL to be President of this country!!!

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Read what Jesus had to say about the behavior exhibited by Trump!
What jury has convicted him?
 

jamessb

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What jury has convicted him?
The jury in New York found him guilty on 17 counts.

“This was a case about lying and cheating, false documents to the end of evading taxes for individuals and corporations.” Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg
 

Cameron143

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The jury in New York found him guilty on 17 counts.
That wasn't a jury trial. He wasn't allowed a jury trial. And the judge declared him guilty before the trial was underway.
You should at least inform yourself on subjects before speaking about them.
 

jamessb

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That wasn't a jury trial. He wasn't allowed a jury trial. And the judge declared him guilty before the trial was underway.
You should at least inform yourself on subjects before speaking about them.
"The 17 guilty counts delivered by a New York state jury — which could lead to $1.6 million in fines for the Trump Organization — are the latest setback for Trump, who is beset by a constricting circle of legal woes as he launches another bid at the presidency."

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Prosecutors told the jury during closing arguments that Trump was “explicitly sanctioning tax fraud,” though New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan sustained an objection over the claim.

Before deliberations, Merchan instructed the jury, some of whom reportedly expressed distaste for Trump during selection, to forget their personal feelings about Trump.

“You must set aside any biases you might have in favor of or against Mr. Trump and his family, and you must not let any such bias influence your verdict in this case,” he said.

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You should at least inform yourself on subjects before writing about them.
 

Cameron143

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"The 17 guilty counts delivered by a New York state jury — which could lead to $1.6 million in fines for the Trump Organization — are the latest setback for Trump, who is beset by a constricting circle of legal woes as he launches another bid at the presidency."

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Prosecutors told the jury during closing arguments that Trump was “explicitly sanctioning tax fraud,” though New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan sustained an objection over the claim.

Before deliberations, Merchan instructed the jury, some of whom reportedly expressed distaste for Trump during selection, to forget their personal feelings about Trump.

“You must set aside any biases you might have in favor of or against Mr. Trump and his family, and you must not let any such bias influence your verdict in this case,” he said.

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You should at least inform yourself on subjects before writing about them.
There was no jury in the Engeron case. And Trump couldn't get a jury of his peers in NY. It will be overturned on appeal.
 

cv5

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The jury in New York found him guilty on 17 counts.

“This was a case about lying and cheating, false documents to the end of evading taxes for individuals and corporations.” Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg
Political witch hunt skullduggery. Every real estate dude uses the exact same methodologies as Trump did.
He was burned by this nutter DA.
 

cv5

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Donald Trump became the first U.S. President to be indicted in the nation’s 234-year history
Which of course is proof positive that Trump is being targeted by endless bogus lawfare witch hunt persecutions.
 

true_believer

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MAGA supporters still stay loyal to Trump even though it's been shown that he's guilty of lying, fraud, infidelity, insulting veterans, praising dictators and inciting an insurrection.
So that if that's not enough to stop supporting him, what about his inability to control his mouth?
After Trump was found liable in the E. Jean Carroll trial, he couldn't stay quiet which cost him millions of dollars.
Who could trust a individual to make life changing decisions of a nation, who cannot even make wise decisions in regards to his personal affairs?
 

jamessb

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There was no jury in the Engeron case. And Trump couldn't get a jury of his peers in NY. It will be overturned on appeal.
You wrote this: That wasn't a jury trial. He wasn't allowed a jury trial. And the judge declared him guilty before the trial was underway.
You should at least inform yourself on subjects before speaking about them.

I proved you wrong. You should at least inform yourself on subjects before speaking about them.

Now you're changing the subject. Nice try! You're still wrong!
 

Nehemiah6

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Who could trust a individual to make life changing decisions of a nation, who cannot even make wise decisions in regards to his personal affairs?
But you are willing to trust a man who goes around stumbling and bumbling every minute, and lying about everything constantly, and systematically destroying America. That is just astounding.