Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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rrcn

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How about you? Just letting the 'pastor' reply on your behalf? You just proved my post to be true.

I don't follow ex pastors and I have my own brain/discernment

I'm not a maga republican. if anything I would be a libertarian but I would certainly vote for Trump if I was able to vote
Other than his YouTube videos there is little info about him. That liberal sites tend towards atheism and cannot be trusted for any kind of spiritual analysis. I do know that his warnings should at least be considered.
I am personally an unaffiliated voter and rarely vote in national elections. This time I can’t vote for Biden or Trump nor can I in good conscience vote against either. The ultra right and ultra left are ripping this country to shreds.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Pat Kahnke is a former pastor and an evangelical but who has never voted for Donald Trump for president and has been putting out many videos in a systematic way that explain why it is so bad and dangerous for the Christian community to vote for the defendant. Pat Kahnke voted for President Biden in 2020 and will vote for President Biden in the 2024 presidential election as well. Prior to Donald Trump, he voted exclusively for the Republican candidate in every election except when the Republican Party's candidate was pro-choice and the Democratic Party's candidate was forced birther. He has moderated his stance a good deal on choice although almost all of us would differ with him on that one issue. He has put out about fifteen of these videos. source *

well I looked up Pat Kahnke and it seems he is a very prejudiced and angry individual who, without actual merit, and no doubt a holdover from his days as Pastor, seems to expect others to simply and blindly choose him as their paragon of truth, all others being liars or ignorant (surely a sin twice as bad as what destroyed the cities of the plain back in the good ole days. (OT)

For example, his renderings regarding Trump encouraged another pastor to respond in what is actually a decent rebuttal...(posting that at the end of this post)

Mr. Kahnke, apparently not in the best of humor, said this: The MAGA pastor's post is insane in my view. I despise even reading and typing it.

So a few things here.

Mr. Kahnke has attracted the admiration of the left. That alone should stall normal people in their tracks. In no way, shape or form is Donald Trump the ideal candidate in the sense of the political arena while Biden is a demi-god in the same sense. ( and no I did not mispell demigogue). He has been on the scene since cutting his teeth on the gavel held by Nancy, that individual of some fame due to her skill at insider trading and he is best known for entertaining stories about his past and proficiency in lying. One wishes he might have been at the same location and time in which his uncle was consumed by cannibals but I digress.

Mr Kahnke is appealing to his audience, who by this time, expect vitriol and exclamation regarding anything to do with Trump or Maga, which, seriously, is a term that by this point in time, could seriously be the rallying cry of most of America. However that acronym has become forever associated with Trump and must therefore be spat on, hated on and otherwise deemed demonic with a furor matching only the Nights Templar in their quest for the Holy Grail.

That same audience, whom it seems has surrendered their autonomy to Mr Kahnke, has learned that it is ok to hate and spread that same hatred within their own circles and by so doing, encourage more of what Mr Kahnke has to offer.

Let me quote a well known entertainer at this point in response: DON'T

It seems many believe that a valid response to Trump is to vote for an individual who is no longer quite cognizant but, thankfully, can still pick out which flavor of ice cream he wants.

So, if voting for a platform that exists, not on the merit of the last three and half years, but on abortion for all, free citizenship after illegally crossing the border, a Reich consisting of Democrats and their allies, freedom to express your inner self by stealing from others, hating certain minorities within society and many other acts of irresponsible and downright demonic and anti-Biblical (no less while admitting to once holding the position of Pastor) sentiments, then have at it.

But remember, you were at one time told the truth. Hold on to it because if the Democrats retain their unlawful hold on this country, truth will become punishable by law the lie will be upheld. You will most likely also be told to burn your Bible.

response from Pastor who DID NOT identify as a 'Maga Pastor"
Sir, with all due respect, I think you are the one that is causing people to be depressed. The president is not our pastor. Donald Trump from what I know is not a Christian (sic) however, compared to Joe Biden, this is literally good versus evil, freedom versus Communism. You are judging Donald Trump as if he is a pastor and a Christian. When it comes to who we elect, we must elect the person, who promotes the right values for America. Such as law and order, close borders, freedom of religion, strong economy, strength through power just the name of a few (sic). I listen to a few minutes of you and you made me totally sick.

* Daily Kos is a fervent Democratic blog, publishing nonsense such as Donald Trump is responsible for the border and various other delightful tales from the left

Thank you for taking the time to do this review. Sounds a lot like Steven Anderson. Neither should be given a breath of air. Haters both of them.
 

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Other than his YouTube videos there is little info about him. That liberal sites tend towards atheism and cannot be trusted for any kind of spiritual analysis. I do know that his warnings should at least be considered.
I am personally an unaffiliated voter and rarely vote in national elections. This time I can’t vote for Biden or Trump nor can I in good conscience vote against either. The ultra right and ultra left are ripping this country to shreds.
Except for Christians should know better.

He states >>>"They culture war is not going to be won at the ballot box"
Agreed.
 
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Other than his YouTube videos there is little info about him. That liberal sites tend towards atheism and cannot be trusted for any kind of spiritual analysis. I do know that his warnings should at least be considered.
I am personally an unaffiliated voter and rarely vote in national elections. This time I can’t vote for Biden or Trump nor can I in good conscience vote against either. The ultra right and ultra left are ripping this country to shreds.
If you do not actually know much about him, why post a link to those anti-Trumps videos? I did some research and it was not hard to find out more about him or the fact that the left loves him.

The I am just going to watch the clouds go by is what is harming this country.

There is that old saying: When good men do nothing, evil triumphs. If I could vote, I would. My opinion is that if a person who can vote does not vote, then they should just have nothing to say. Ever
 

rrcn

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If you do not actually know much about him, why post a link to those anti-Trumps videos? I did some research and it was not hard to find out more about him or the fact that the left loves him.

The I am just going to watch the clouds go by is what is harming this country.

There is that old saying: When good men do nothing, evil triumphs. If I could vote, I would. My opinion is that if a person who can vote does not vote, then they should just have nothing to say. Ever
All right, why can’t you vote?
I believe his videos are right, I’m a Christian not a trumpIan. You seem to place him on level with God.
 
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Oh, I thought you were a felon. Being Canadian isn’t nearly as bad.
Does that mean you are a felon then? haha so funny . I have voted in every Canadian election that I was able to, Federal and Provincial.

I believe his videos are right,
you just said you don't know much about him. blind following the blind then? smh

Don't complain when you don't like the results of the upcoming election. You have lost the right to say anything

I really think my conversation with you is done now.
 

rrcn

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Does that mean you are a felon then? haha so funny . I have voted in every Canadian election that I was able to, Federal and Provincial.



you just said you don't know much about him. blind following the blind then? smh

Don't complain when you don't like the results of the upcoming election. You have lost the right to say anything

I really think my conversation with you is done now.
Does that mean you are a felon then? haha so funny . I have voted in every Canadian election that I was able to, Federal and Provincial.



you just said you don't know much about him. blind following the blind then? smh

Don't complain when you don't like the results of the upcoming election. You have lost the right to say anything

I really think my conversation with you is done now.
You definitely have the maga spirit, bye
 

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Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

This word "disputations" is used by Paul to refer to the gift of discernment. However, we are told not to use this gift like a knife to attack weaker brothers and sisters in the faith. Think of a lawyer using the gift of discernment to get to the truth. That is a gift. But then you have lawyers using their skill at destroying a witness, that is what we are forbidden from doing.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

This chapter is not about vegetarians, it is simply using that as an example. For example, some people are not afraid to listen to all the various witnesses on youtube with their channels and podcasts. They trust they can discern the liars and cheats and filter those out. Others only trust the approved channels like MSNBC and NPR. Their power of discernment is weak so they trust the "experts" to tell them what is approved and what is not approved.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

This is where we are today. Those that listen to Bannon and Alex Jones tend to despise those that trust MSNBC and NPR. Meanwhile those who are listening to CNN, MSNBC and NPR are judging those that are listening to the "right wing" media. A good example is a "pastor" telling people it is not Christian to vote for Trump or for Biden.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

This is the key principle. This verse is not justification for voting for either one. So don't read it that way. What this says is when you are voting you need to do that in a way that you will be able to stand before the Lord at the judgement seat. For example, did you pray, ask the Lord to lead you, tried and tested the spirits, and then voted accordingly? If so, you will be able to stand before the Lord.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

This is the ten commandments. In the ten commandments we are told to keep the Sabbath holy. So you can see how one would interpret that to mean we esteem one day above another. But suppose you believe based on the NT that we are to keep every day holy? You could certainly see how another man could esteem every day alike and still be faithful to the commands of God. Now apply this to politics. One person can esteem one policy above another. Perhaps abortion is a make or break issue because thou shalt not kill applies to babies. But another person thinks every policy is equal because unemployment leads to higher suicide and deaths and all lives are equally important. You see both approaches can be faithful to the law of God. Afghanistan and our withdrawal may seem like a much smaller issue than abortion and yet if you think all lives are important you would consider that as well. The economy, war, abortion, for one person they esteem them equally important, to another they have a priority as to which is the most important.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Do it to the Lord. The fellowship of the apostles is that it is not necessary for us all to agree on these principals. Suppose someone lost a son in Afghanistan, maybe that is their number one issue. Perhaps someone else has a child that could be drafted into WW3 and that is their number one issue. Then you have those for whom 60 million dead babies is their number one issue. They don't have to agree. Just do that to the Lord.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

When that person died in Afghanistan, we were all affected. The same thing with WW3, we will all be affected. And the same thing with those dead babies, we are all affected.

8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

This is the attitude we need. Perhaps one candidate will lead to life and one will lead to death. Either way we are the Lord's. If the country chooses a candidate that leads to death then pray that they repent and get saved prior to their death. WW2 had a big impact on people receiving the Lord and getting saved. No reason to think WW3 won't have the same effect. Likewise if the country chooses a candidate that leads to life then be on the front lines bringing people to the Lord. What is the point of the country being blessed so that they have the freedom to speak the word of God if you aren't speaking the word of God?

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Leave it up to the Lord, whether it is death or life, either way Jesus is still the Lord.

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

This is what is really important, why are you judging your brother or sister? Why are you setting them at nought? Chanting FJB? Calling 75 million Americans who voted for Trump "domestic terrorists"?

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

James says that a spring of water cannot be both salt water and fresh. You can't be cursing man and then turn around and bless God. If you say "Jesus is Lord" then that means He is Lord, even of the elections and the outcomes and the candidates.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Instead of demanding that others give you an account of why they are doing what they are doing, why don't you focus on giving an account of what you are doing to God.

13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

These disputations are OK as long as you aren't trying to trip each other up.

14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

If someone feels that Trump is unclean then he is unclean to them. If someone feels that Biden is unclean then he is unclean to them.

15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

This debate over these two candidates is not the gospel. It isn't equivalent to amazing grace, to the old rugged cross. I think it is crystal clear that some are grieved with believers who are voting for one or the other candidate. Are you going to try and destroy someone that Jesus Christ died to save over that?

16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

When a Christian pushes this narrative it opens the door for your good to be evil spoken of. When you work for a large corporation you are not allowed to speak to the press on behalf of that company unless they tell you to. The same is true of the Lord. Has the Lord said that He endorses one candidate or the other? If not why are you pretending to speak on His behalf. That is what false prophets do. You may say "I'm a Christian and I'm speaking on my behalf". Really, because being a Christian is about righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

Instead of focusing on who is and who is not acceptable to you, how about focusing on how you can be acceptable to God and approved of men.
 

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JFK..........whacked
Nixon.....whacked
Trump....whacked