Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ZNP]

Wake Up America on X: "BREAKING: Former VP Mike Pence Says He’s “Literally Praying” Trump Won’t Pardon January 6 Prisoners “I don’t think the president should pardon anyone” What’s your response? https://t.co/ToLLsGmG2C" / X

I don't care if they are pardoned or not, they should all be released from prison.

As for pardoning them if the crime they were convicted of was trespassing, fine. If it was something else along the lines of treason or insurrection, then of course they should be pardoned.

Also, if exculpatory evidence was withheld during their trial a mistrial should be proclaimed and the record expunged.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Members of the upcoming Trump cabinet are going to take the U.S. backward.

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It's pretty clear the Donald doesn't know what he's doing when he has to have Elon Musk as a constant presence telling him what to do.

 

[cv5]

Belief? Is there any Bible verse that says a third temple will be built in Jerusalem?

I am aware of Bible verses that say the Tabernacle of David will be raised again, and I am aware of Bible verses that talk about sacrifices and oblations being performed, and about the idol of the Antichrist being placed in the Holy Place (often mistranslated as temple) but I am not aware of any Bible prophecy in old or new testament saying there will be a Temple rebuilt. If you know of any I would greatly appreciate seeing it. Thanks

THE Temple. The definite article indicates that it is the physical building known always as The Temple.

2Th 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[cv5]

It's pretty clear the Donald doesn't know what he's doing when he has to have Elon Musk as a constant presence telling him what to do.

Or maybe he does. And Trump is more likely to be giving orders.

 

[ZNP]

THE Temple. The definite article indicates that it is the physical building known always as The Temple.

2Th 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The Greek word is Naos.

Vine's expository dictionary says this: is used of the inner part of the Temple in Jerusalem, in Mat 23:35, RV, "sanctuary."

It is referring to the holy place, the inner part. The Tabernacle also had the Naos, it does not have to be a temple built out of stone, the last one took 40 years to build.

The Bible says this all will take place in perilous times. You don't build a temple in a war zone. So no, this verse does not refer to the temple and saying it does is a mis translation. This verse refers to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies that were within the temple but were also within the tabernacle.

 

[ZNP]

It's pretty clear the Donald doesn't know what he's doing when he has to have Elon Musk as a constant presence telling him what to do.

And you do know what you are doing?

Let's look at some of the things you have said

“Trump's co-defendants will flip and testify against him. They have already started to. He better start getting fitted for his jumpsuit.”

And you said this

“I don't think people are going to put up with the Donald much longer. Sure he has the support of the MAGA bunch and his cronies on Capitol Hill; but he's becoming increasingly unhinged. People associated with him are being hauled into court left and right, or sent to jail. Before election day I have a feeling he's going to be seen as a raving lunatic.”

And this

“And don't forget, if you're not MAGA you're probably not really a Christian either. You're a supporter of Satan and everything unholy.”

And this

“Well, there's a good possibility Trump won't even get on the ballot; we'll just have to let it play out and see what happens.”

I see no reason from your posts to think you know what you are doing or are in a position to judge others.

 

[ZNP]

The Greek word is Naos.

Vine's expository dictionary says this: is used of the inner part of the Temple in Jerusalem, in Mat 23:35, RV, "sanctuary."

It is referring to the holy place, the inner part. The Tabernacle also had the Naos, it does not have to be a temple built out of stone, the last one took 40 years to build.

The Bible says this all will take place in perilous times. You don't build a temple in a war zone. So no, this verse does not refer to the temple and saying it does is a mis translation. This verse refers to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies that were within the temple but were also within the tabernacle.

However, there is a prophecy concerning the tabernacle of David -- Amos 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

From the context "that day" would seem to be the Great tribulation.

 

[cv5]

The Greek word is Naos.

Vine's expository dictionary says this: is used of the inner part of the Temple in Jerusalem, in Mat 23:35, RV, "sanctuary."

It is referring to the holy place, the inner part. The Tabernacle also had the Naos, it does not have to be a temple built out of stone, the last one took 40 years to build.

The Bible says this all will take place in perilous times. You don't build a temple in a war zone. So no, this verse does not refer to the temple and saying it does is a mis translation. This verse refers to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies that were within the temple but were also within the tabernacle.

Nope.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_thessalonians/2-4.htm

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/11.htm

THE Temple. Physical. Exact same terminology here.....

Rev 11:1
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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Whereas THESE verses do NOT contain the definite article "HO". For reasons that are obvious.

2Co 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1Co 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

 

[cv5]

The Greek word is Naos.

Vine's expository dictionary says this: is used of the inner part of the Temple in Jerusalem, in Mat 23:35, RV, "sanctuary."

It is referring to the holy place, the inner part. The Tabernacle also had the Naos, it does not have to be a temple built out of stone, the last one took 40 years to build.

The Bible says this all will take place in perilous times. You don't build a temple in a war zone. So no, this verse does not refer to the temple and saying it does is a mis translation. This verse refers to the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies that were within the temple but were also within the tabernacle.

Conclusive buddy. And concatenates with 2Thess2:4 .....perfectly.
Third Temple aka tribulation Temple gonna inevitably be built? Yup. No doubt about it.
If in fact prophecy is to be fulfilled that is. Will it be? To the letter?

[Rev 11:1 KJV]
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

[Rev 11:2 KJV]
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

[Rev 11:3 KJV]
And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

 

[SonJudgment]

This gaslighting and insanity is what was voted out of office. Its nuts.

End Wokeness on X: "Don't worry, folks. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg is focused on… solving racist bridges, roads, highways, and tunnels. https://t.co/WxygVqyIPR" / X

They should have fired him after the East Palestine Ohio train crash (which also effected PA as well) and then when they neglected to even visit them for weeks on end. I remember alot of the leftists claimed those people deserved it just because Ohio was deep red, but they really were foolish to forget that PA was affected too and PA was at that time reasonably a swing state that leaned towards them. The fact the democrat regime abandoned those people but Trump showed up for the people was a definitive watershed moment. When they then played the same spite game with the people of NC and FL after the hurricanes they reminded us of how they play. The left is as nasty as they are incompetent, they cannot be trusted with power for probably another decade, they're the party of neglect and abuse.

 

[SonJudgment]

I don't care if they are pardoned or not, they should all be released from prison.

As for pardoning them if the crime they were convicted of was trespassing, fine. If it was something else along the lines of treason or insurrection, then of course they should be pardoned.

Also, if exculpatory evidence was withheld during their trial a mistrial should be proclaimed and the record expunged.

Even the trespassing charges are bogus since the Capitol is public property and was in fact open to the public in Jan 6th for the public ceremony that has always historically been you know, public. This is that mischief of that wicked Merrick Garland and why he particularly sticks out in the regime as needing to go to prison. With the J6 protestors unless they committed a violent crime at the protest like assault, then they need to be pardoned and compensated to try to remove this stain of despotism from America.

 

[cv5]

@amuse on X: "IRONY: Disgraced former CIA Director Brennan was a member of the Communist Party, admits lying to Congress about spying on Americans, and was one of the 51 Spies Who Lied to rig the 2020 election. And Tulsi is the Russian asset?🤣 https://t.co/MRKeuCqXJH" / X

 

[SonJudgment]

@amuse on X: "IRONY: Disgraced former CIA Director Brennan was a member of the Communist Party, admits lying to Congress about spying on Americans, and was one of the 51 Spies Who Lied to rig the 2020 election. And Tulsi is the Russian asset?🤣 https://t.co/MRKeuCqXJH" / X

Brennan is an idiot to lift his voice up and try to poison the well. He has severely broken the code of the CIA as well as committed to conspiracy to commit espionage. Three hots and a cot in Terre Haute for him being stupid enough to remind us of all his wickedness when he could have just held his tongue and went into cushy retirement. Brennan is the one as dumb as Shimei.

 

[ZNP]

Nope.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_thessalonians/2-4.htm

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/11.htm

THE Temple. Physical. Exact same terminology here.....

Rev 11:1
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3588 [e]
tou
τοῦ
the
Art-GMS

3485 [e]
naou
ναοῦ ,
temple
N-GMS

==================================================================================================

Whereas THESE verses do NOT contain the definite article "HO". For reasons that are obvious.

2Co 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1Co 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Your verse references do not dispute what I said. I am saying the word refers to the sanctuary of the temple which was the same sanctuary as in the Tabernacle. You have not provided any prophecy that says the Jews will build a third temple. Every verse you have provided could just as easily be fulfilled by the prophecy I provided from Amos that the Tabernacle of David will be raised.

I have no issue with their being a physical sanctuary, that is clear and I have no issue with it being measured. But how do you give away the outer court of a temple? Why would they build a temple and then give away the outer court?

 

[ZNP]

Even the trespassing charges are bogus since the Capitol is public property and was in fact open to the public in Jan 6th for the public ceremony that has always historically been you know, public. This is that mischief of that wicked Merrick Garland and why he particularly sticks out in the regime as needing to go to prison. With the J6 protestors unless they committed a violent crime at the protest like assault, then they need to be pardoned and compensated to try to remove this stain of despotism from America.

The trespassing charge is a misdemeanor, they should not be in prison for that and you don't need a Presidential pardon.

 

[SonJudgment]

The trespassing charge is a misdemeanor, they should not be in prison for that and you don't need a Presidential pardon.

Agreed, but even that misdemeanor is bogus. You can't commit trespassing on public property during a public ceremony that is specifically open to the public. This speaks to how much the regime, particularly Merrick Garland, have severely perverted the law and justice marking him out particularly. He will be like Joab then, certainly doomed for causing the deaths of four people better than he and then slandering them after. If he flees the country and tries to cling to sanctuary he will be hunted down and dragged out.

 

[ZNP]

Here is what the Bible says

1. Antichrist sets up a winged idol in the Holy Place, which in several places it translates as "Temple", but I would argue should be translated as sanctuary. This could be either in the Holy Place or the Holy of Holies.

2. The Jews begin to offer oblations and sacrifices which then cease when the idol is put in the sanctuary.

3. Amos prophesies that the Tabernacle of David will be raised again at the end of the age in what appears to be the 70th week of Daniel.

4. There is no prophecy anywhere in the Old or New Testament that says a Temple will be built.

5. Instead we are told that the outer court will be given to the nations to trample.

6. We are also told that these are perilous times. That is the context of the prophecy in Amos and also the context of the end of the age in the New Testament.

So how come the Christian theologians do not put this prophecy in Amos into their eschatology? You have to have the tabernacle of David being raised somewhere in your understanding and it is fully missing.

On the other hand we are told in the New Jerusalem there is no Temple. So what happened to it? Not only is there no prophecy that a third temple is built there also is no prophecy that a third temple is destroyed. Also, if you are in perilous times why are you building a temple? Also, why build a temple if from the get go you have to give away most of the property for it?

These are critical questions. But regardless of how you interpret the end times you must agree that Amos clearly says the tabernacle of David will be raised again and that has not happened yet, so that is one of the prophecies of the Old Testament that must be fulfilled. On the other hand if no temple is built there is no prophecy in either Old or New testament that cannot be fulfilled because you have both the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle of David. You can measure them and you can put an idol in them.

 

[MeowFlower]

Trump is expunging the old guard root and branch. Everybody must be relieved.

And where is Pense in all of this epic shake-up? Stilling on a back bench somewhere nervously eating orioles lol?

Where? Pence is teaching now.

https://www.goerie.com/story/news/p...ow-grove-city-college-instructor/75107763007/

 

[Cameron143]

If you can't do, teach.

 

[SonJudgment]

In terms of the Antichrist and Temple speculation ya'll got going on today, I think it's better for another topic, so I won't get too much into it here besides this post. It is asked what parts of the Bible they take the idea of the Third Temple (or perhaps a consecrated Second Temple) from are the fact that in the Antichrist prophecies for one the Antichrist establishes the Abomination of Desolation therein. The other major prophecy is large but is found in the latter third of Ezekiel's whole bbok starting at chapter 40 and going forward to the end of the book. Surely vast amounts of BDF and Conspiracy Corruption topics could be and already have been made about this subject or facets of it.

Looking at it in a lens of this section more as news and politics to the theme of this section and topic I can't see it as happening in the impending second Trump administration or even in that of the term of his potential successor. For Israel to legitimately politick back the temple grounds and what that means for the islamic sites situated upon them alone is an issue that has after all taken over 1000 years to reach the point we're at now. Even if we grant the most unlikely but peaceful scenario where the kingdom of Jordan sells the grounds and all islam is okay with being perpetually banned from the grounds and the Dome of the Rock being demolished and the Al-Aqsa Mosque being cleansed by the Jews and rebuilt there is other time-consuming facets to this that make it virtually impossible to happen in the near future Trump term.

Just the material and sheer construction according to the measurements listed out required to validly rebuild and restore the Temple are breath-taking, hence why in the Bible when it is built and then re-built these are monumental events in the Bible that span several chapters for Solomon and even two whole books for Ezra and Nehemiah. Then not only building the Temple is enough, say even that is granted, then there are as well the strict religious and spiritual obligations to re-consecrate the Temple in a way that is legitimate. If it happens in our lifetime it will be in the latter end of our lifetime, it will certainly not happen in Trump's presidency,.

On this front the things to watch for are the more indirect yet key elements required for it to happen later, such as when Trump formally recognized Jerusalem as Israel's eternal capitol and moved the US embassy there in order to legitimize the Jews and the State of Israel and their peculiar races' restoration to their ancestral land promised by God. These are subtle yet important little pieces that must occur. As for the Antichrist, or that Man of Sin, he won't appear in our lifetime for those things that happen before his reign are extreme and must first happen. This isn't to dismiss necessarily all good scrutiny of the news and politics and religion however, but perhaps it be more prudent to meditate on the teachings of the apostle John whom did remind and warn us all that though many worry about the Antichrist coming that really there already be many antichrists. The anti-Christianity and antichrists are their own spiritual dynamic, and these have also been thoroughly proven in this topic and shown where in politics this spiritual force has intersected wit hthe secular. Simply put anyone against our Lord Jesus the Christ is antichrist, and more on this can be studied in 1 John 2.