Culture Upside Down: Shift In America Values

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Posted: 03 Jun 2014 03:59 PM PDT

The United States is becoming a place st Americans are okay with that. No matter which side of the “culture war” that you are on, you have to admit that our culture is being fundamentally transformed. In fact, new numbers from Gallup confirm that there has been a colossal shift in America’s moral values just since 2001. Over the past 13 years, we have become a dramatically different country. Many of the things that used to be considered “evil” are now considered to be “good”, and many of the things that used to be considered “good” are now considered to be “evil”. In other words, our culture is literally being turned upside down, and the “values” that our national leaders speak of today are far different from the “values” that our grandparents grew up with. So is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Every year, Gallup conducts an “annual Values and Beliefs survey”, and the survey results for 2014 have just been released. When you compare the numbers from 2001 to the numbers for this year, the difference in quite a few of the categories is quite striking. Here are a few examples…
Sex between an unmarried man and woman
2001: 53%
2014: 66%
Divorce
2001: 59%
2014: 69%
Having a baby outside of marriage
2001: 45%
2014: 58%
Gay or lesbian relations
2001: 40%
2014: 58%
Medical research using stem cells from human embryos
2001: 52%
2014: 65%
Pornography
2001: 30%
2014: 33%
Suicide
2001: 13%
2014: 19%
Cloning Humans
2001: 7%
2014: 13%
As a nation, we are moving much more in the “socially liberal” direction.
But does that mean that everyone is changing?
Well, when Gallup broke the numbers down by political affiliation, they found something extremely interesting.
Gallup discovered that the values of Democrats had experienced a seismic shift since 2001, but that the values of Republicans had actually changed very little
In the 12 years Gallup has asked this overall question, Democrats have become significantly more tolerant on many issues, while independents generally show a smaller shift in the same direction and Republicans’ views have changed little. The percentage of Democrats who say an issue is morally acceptable has increased for 10 issues, including abortion, sex between an unmarried man and woman, extramarital affairs, cloning humans, divorce, cloning animals, suicide, research using stem cells from human embryos, polygamy, and gay and lesbian relations.
In some cases, the change among Democrats has been substantial. For example, in 2003, 52% of Democrats said having a baby outside of wedlock was morally acceptable, and 40% of Republicans and 61% of independents agreed. This year, 72% of Democrats, a 20-percentage-point increase, say it is morally acceptable. Meanwhile, Republicans have seen no change, with 40% still saying it is morally acceptable, although a higher 50% viewed it as morally acceptable last year. Independents have also not seen a change, with 60% saying having a baby out of wedlock is morally acceptable this year.
In other words, the “values gap” between the two major political parties is now larger than it has ever been.
And Gallup has previously found that there are huge differences between age groups when it comes to moral values as well.
For example, only 19 percent of Americans 55 and older consider pornography to be “morally acceptable”, but 49 percent of Americans in the 18 to 34-year-old age group do.
This is true on issue after issue, and it is an indication that Americans will continue to become more “socially liberal” as older generations of Americans die off.
But as our values change, America is becoming a much different place.
You see, the truth is that moral values have consequences. The following are just a few statistics about the current state of morality in America from one of my previous articles
-18 percent of all women in the United States say that they have been raped at some point in their lives.
-It is estimated that one out of every four girls will be sexually abused before they become adults.
-Approximately one-third of the entire population of the United States (110 million people) currently has a sexually transmitted disease according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
-In the United States today, more than half of all couples “move in together” before they get married.
-For women under the age of 30 in the United States, more than half of all babies are being born out of wedlock.
-At this point, approximately one out of every three children in the United States lives in a home without a father.
-Right now, there are 70 million Americans that are on mind-altering drugs of one form or another.
-According to a study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, approximately two-thirds of all Americans in the 15 to 24-year-old age bracket have engaged in oral sex.
-During 2012, more than 85,000 military veterans were formally treated for sexual abuse that they suffered while serving in the U.S. military.
-According to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, there are 747,408 registered sex offenders in the United States. And those are just the ones that have been caught and convicted.
Can our society survive if everyone just does “whatever seems right in their own eyes” and young people are allowed to decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong?
Some would suggest that our nation is “evolving” and that we are steadily becoming a more “progressive society”.
Others are deeply alarmed that we are abandoning the values that this nation was founded upon and are calling for a return to those values.

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heard mike Huckabee say a few years ago that we are moving our standards to meet behavior instead of moving our behavior to fit standards. 100% true I think.
 
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heard mike Huckabee say a few years ago that we are moving our standards to meet behavior instead of moving our behavior to fit standards. 100% true I think.

I think the statistics are wrong in the post. I think they are higher than the writer posted.
It has been most unreal at what we are seeing occur in our society now.

We just had 2 teen girls sentenced to prison for murdering their girl friend just for the fun
of it. That is local where I live. We know what is going on all over our Country, and the
whole world for that matter. I do not see it ever being turned around, but I don't deny the
power of the Holy Spirit.... so with God all things are possible.

It breaks my heart to hear of the babies and children being abused physically or sexually.
It is in my area and usually caused by drug use. I could go on and on, but you know the
things that are happening. Makes a person want to cry... okay I do cry... and pray...
God help those who are unable to help themselves... Amen
 
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Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked. Proverbs 25:26

How polluted and muddy we have become as a nation. There is no longer anything that is considered wrong except for saying someone is in sin.
 
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Nothing in their about big business and the worship of money?

That's a very interesting and telling omission. Massive Multinational American corporations that finance the prisons and war?

Indeed things are changed.

Zero criticism of that. The only criticism I hear is reading the words of Jesus in the Bible. North American Christians? Silent.
 
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Most people have lost real income, lost net worth, etc... not the other way around. They aren't worshipping what they don't have.

The materialistic generation definitely existed through the 70's, 80's, and 90's right up to 2008 and I would say during all that time there was a real idolatry occurring with respect to materialism over God across America.

But with such a great recession and loss of wealth for most and loss of opportunity to gain wealth: it looks like the love of money has been replaced by a love of immorality.

America's got a new idol and it's not money, it's immorality.

That doesn't take away from, of course, the problem of monopoly capitalism, financial sector corruption, a broken trade paradigm, a broken labor market, a broken immigration system, etc... etc... etc... as all those are very real.


Nothing in their about big business and the worship of money?

That's a very interesting and telling omission. Massive Multinational American corporations that finance the prisons and war?

Indeed things are changed.

Zero criticism of that. The only criticism I hear is reading the words of Jesus in the Bible. North American Christians? Silent.
 
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Assimilation is near complete. The propaganda apparatus is fully in place and the lies are being told every day. Govt is taking its place as god. The thought police are coming and the the iron fist in the velvet glove is about to show itself. Just wait til food is used as a weapon. Scary times in which we live. Better hang on to Jesus.
 
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We can thank the politicians for the value change. Laws get made to tie peoples hand when disciplining their kids because some morons went over the top or just were plain crazy and now because of that we have kids growing up and actually bold enough to carry guns to school. I see alot of parents out there not instilling values in their kids and letting young ones run the streets late at night and the law is getting to a point where they are either scared to do anything, have their hands legally tied, or plain just don't care. Alot of parents now days just don't raise their kids right and the ones who do are a select few and far between rare breed. I could go on and on, but it wouldn't do no good. We need to get back to basic IMO if ya ask me.
 

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Morals have been sliding for decades. No one took any notice. In a country in which Christians are a majority and your leaders are suppose to represent you; you are now enjoying the fruits of your inaction.
 
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It's false that no one did; however it's true that most did not. It must be noted that genuine Christians put a real and tangible resistance to the rise of immoral atheist progressivism in the U.S. that manifested largely in the 60s and rapidly grew (though it really began before then with the immoral atheist progressive John Dewey and his cohorts).

But they were ultimately out flanked by politicians who turned over the reigns of public education to the atheist immoral progressives and every generation since has been miseducated to reject Christian epistemology with its moral absolutes and accept atheistic humanism ridiculing moral absolutes and Christianity in exchange for relativism, pluralism, etc...

The entire public school curriculum was rewritten to filter out a great deal of truth and facts and lies inserted to skew the truth to accomplish the political objectives of immoral atheistic progressivism and I can show this is true and defend this assertion using scholarly materials. That's where the battle for the minds of the youth was ultimately lost for our society as a whole.

But lately it's gotten worse, much worse. It's progressed to the point that by law children are subjected to homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination without parental consent including off-campus pro-homosexuality counseling. Currently, there are 10 different LGBT indoctrination laws in place some impacting children as young as 5 years old. For example, in California, SB 48 means children as young as kindergarten in California K-12 government schools are encouraged to admire "gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender Americans" and adopt past leaders of the homosexual agenda as their historical heroes (many of whom are proven pedophiles) and personal role models.

No more Jesus Christ and George Washington. Now it's Harvey Milk (homosexual and pedophile) and Allen Ginsberg (NAMBLA supporter and member).

Pro-abortion indoctrination and off-campus "counseling" without parental consent is the norm and there is no teaching children how to truly avoid STDs; "abstinence-only" education which is even prohibited by law in some states.

The anti-God indoctrination with political correctness continues but now in an environment of dumbed-down academics yielding less academic success over time. Negative socialization is now incorporated and peer pressure utilized against Christians in the public school system. Lately, also anti-parent sentiments are being incorporated with an eye toward reporting parents who disagree with atheistic immoral progressivism.

That's what a genuine Christian parent faces today just with respect to the public school system that they are forced to pay for whether or not they remove their child from it or not. It's so bad that Christian parents in California have banded together and formed a "rescue your child" organization to save children from the official indoctrination of perversity and lies they are exposed to in the CA public school system.

All of this means that the fruits haven't even begun to present themselves yet. Wait until you get a load of the next generation. As it was in the days of Lot so it will be again. Interestingly, studies show that even the atheists themselves acknowledge they engage in and are responsible for immorality at a greater rate than the rest of society.

But me thinks you criticize the genuine Christian parent who sought to prevent this from occurring and continues to reject it for themselves and their children resisting up to and including the return of Christ if need be too much.

The American Education System Must Be Restored ~ Help Fix America First


Morals have been sliding for decades. No one took any notice. In a country in which Christians are a majority and your leaders are suppose to represent you; you are now enjoying the fruits of your inaction.
 
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It's false that no one did; however it's true that most did not. It must be noted that genuine Christians put a real and tangible resistance to the rise of immoral atheist progressivism in the U.S. that manifested largely in the 60s and rapidly grew (though it really began before then with the immoral atheist progressive John Dewey and his cohorts).

But they were ultimately out flanked by politicians who turned over the reigns of public education to the atheist immoral progressives and every generation since has been miseducated to reject Christian epistemology with its moral absolutes and accept atheistic humanism ridiculing moral absolutes and Christianity in exchange for relativism, pluralism, etc...

The entire public school curriculum was rewritten to filter out a great deal of truth and facts and lies inserted to skew the truth to accomplish the political objectives of immoral atheistic progressivism and I can show this is true and defend this assertion using scholarly materials. That's where the battle for the minds of the youth was ultimately lost for our society as a whole.

But lately it's gotten worse, much worse. It's progressed to the point that by law children are subjected to homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination without parental consent including off-campus pro-homosexuality counseling. Currently, there are 10 different LGBT indoctrination laws in place some impacting children as young as 5 years old. For example, in California, SB 48 means children as young as kindergarten in California K-12 government schools are encouraged to admire "gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender Americans" and adopt past leaders of the homosexual agenda as their historical heroes (many of whom are proven pedophiles) and personal role models.

No more Jesus Christ and George Washington. Now it's Harvey Milk (homosexual and pedophile) and Allen Ginsberg (NAMBLA supporter and member).

Pro-abortion indoctrination and off-campus "counseling" without parental consent is the norm and there is no teaching children how to truly avoid STDs; "abstinence-only" education which is even prohibited by law in some states.

The anti-God indoctrination with political correctness continues but now in an environment of dumbed-down academics yielding less academic success over time. Negative socialization is now incorporated and peer pressure utilized against Christians in the public school system. Lately, also anti-parent sentiments are being incorporated with an eye toward reporting parents who disagree with atheistic immoral progressivism.

That's what a genuine Christian parent faces today just with respect to the public school system that they are forced to pay for whether or not they remove their child from it or not. It's so bad that Christian parents in California have banded together and formed a "rescue your child" organization to save children from the official indoctrination of perversity and lies they are exposed to in the CA public school system.

All of this means that the fruits haven't even begun to present themselves yet. Wait until you get a load of the next generation. As it was in the days of Lot so it will be again. Interestingly, studies show that even the atheists themselves acknowledge they engage in and are responsible for immorality at a greater rate than the rest of society.

But me thinks you criticize the genuine Christian parent who sought to prevent this from occurring and continues to reject it for themselves and their children resisting up to and including the return of Christ if need be too much.

The American Education System Must Be Restored ~ Help Fix America First
One more link to prove what you say is true..... Thanks.
Shock Video Shows Grade School Children Receiving LGBTQ Indoctrination from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.
 
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It's false that no one did; however it's true that most did not. It must be noted that genuine Christians put a real and tangible resistance to the rise of immoral atheist progressivism in the U.S. that manifested largely in the 60s and rapidly grew (though it really began before then with the immoral atheist progressive John Dewey and his cohorts).

But they were ultimately out flanked by politicians who turned over the reigns of public education to the atheist immoral progressives and every generation since has been miseducated to reject Christian epistemology with its moral absolutes and accept atheistic humanism ridiculing moral absolutes and Christianity in exchange for relativism, pluralism, etc...

The entire public school curriculum was rewritten to filter out a great deal of truth and facts and lies inserted to skew the truth to accomplish the political objectives of immoral atheistic progressivism and I can show this is true and defend this assertion using scholarly materials. That's where the battle for the minds of the youth was ultimately lost for our society as a whole.

But lately it's gotten worse, much worse. It's progressed to the point that by law children are subjected to homosexual-bisexual-transsexual indoctrination without parental consent including off-campus pro-homosexuality counseling. Currently, there are 10 different LGBT indoctrination laws in place some impacting children as young as 5 years old. For example, in California, SB 48 means children as young as kindergarten in California K-12 government schools are encouraged to admire "gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender Americans" and adopt past leaders of the homosexual agenda as their historical heroes (many of whom are proven pedophiles) and personal role models.

No more Jesus Christ and George Washington. Now it's Harvey Milk (homosexual and pedophile) and Allen Ginsberg (NAMBLA supporter and member).

Pro-abortion indoctrination and off-campus "counseling" without parental consent is the norm and there is no teaching children how to truly avoid STDs; "abstinence-only" education which is even prohibited by law in some states.

The anti-God indoctrination with political correctness continues but now in an environment of dumbed-down academics yielding less academic success over time. Negative socialization is now incorporated and peer pressure utilized against Christians in the public school system. Lately, also anti-parent sentiments are being incorporated with an eye toward reporting parents who disagree with atheistic immoral progressivism.

That's what a genuine Christian parent faces today just with respect to the public school system that they are forced to pay for whether or not they remove their child from it or not. It's so bad that Christian parents in California have banded together and formed a "rescue your child" organization to save children from the official indoctrination of perversity and lies they are exposed to in the CA public school system.

All of this means that the fruits haven't even begun to present themselves yet. Wait until you get a load of the next generation. As it was in the days of Lot so it will be again. Interestingly, studies show that even the atheists themselves acknowledge they engage in and are responsible for immorality at a greater rate than the rest of society.

But me thinks you criticize the genuine Christian parent who sought to prevent this from occurring and continues to reject it for themselves and their children resisting up to and including the return of Christ if need be too much.

The American Education System Must Be Restored ~ Help Fix America First
Well on the homosexual counseling for teens I am ok with that once they hit a certain age and I am going to tell ya all why. Many so called Christians who have dealt with someone who was gay didn't do it very nicely. More often then not they are met with hostility rather then love and that is not what our faith teaches us. I don't say this about all Christians, but only takes afew to mess it up for the whole bunch. Take the Mormons for example if you watch a documentary called The Mormon Proposition it had me absolutely appalled.

Now please excuse my language for what I am about to say next cause I am about to get real on this topic so if harsh lingo offends you stop reading right now, but tell me how the heck can you call yourself a darn Christian and the moment your child comes to you and says I think I am gay rather then extending love you put that child out on the street living in boxes and roach infested crap holes? Lord forgive me, but I will be honest if I ever met someone in person who did that I'd probably beat them into the ground. I got a real red button where the kids are concerned and I don't mess around. Not when it comes to them.

Not to mention the rallies you see and gathering and how hateful people are being to one another. Ya know that stuff angers me greatly. Don't and I say this to those fake wannabes out there, but don't call yourself a Christian and then the minute your faced with something you disagree with meet it with hate. Meet it with love and try to teach people the right way. Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. He didn't say love them some of the time. He said love them period, point blank which mean all the time.

Yet you got jerks who turn around and call themselves saying we'll help you and they beat you stick a electric wire your privates and make you shock yourself. Tell me what the heck kinda garbage is that? Or even better a guy kisses his mate walking down the street and Church security beats them down so basically condoning violence and gay bashing. In the same breath are stupid enough to say but we are preaching peace and joy to the world. **sentence removed** And they lucky I wasn't walking down the same road cause I'd had to pray for forgiveness for shooting me some Church security guards. I am old school I come locked and loaded with my own darn accessories. lol

I agree with most of what your saying mate, but the counseling I don't blame them one darn bit for at all because depending on where they live and how the people are around or in that area they have no one to turn to.

I apoligize for the roughness of my language. It's not directed at no one. I just get riled up when I think about how ugly folks can be to each other. Especially when they are Christians. More so when it is people who say they are Christians.
 
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Do the exact opposite of what liberals want.

Cured.
 
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The only bashing I see are homosexuals bashing on Christians, launching the worst kind of gossip on Christians in the workplace, and trying to use the government to rob Christians of their human rights under natural law and religious liberty by twisting the first amendment against them even to the point of imprisonment and bankruptcy if they own a small business and don't facilitate homosexual events and activities when ordered to do so by homosexuals. So, we must live in two different places for I don't see any of it going the other way. What I do see are Christians upholding God's holiness in their lives.

It is in scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral license, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives.
 
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rough language doesn't bother me when things need to be said. I just wanted to say i agree with the previous post. I also truely believe so-called Christians have been responsible for many, many young confused people's suicides.
 
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oops...i thought i writing a post right after the person with KOOL in their name....that's who i was referring to, btw
 
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I can swear too...and do.

I just don't like to be defined like that.

How can you judge a parents actions when you do not know the full story. Are you a parent? If not....be quiet.

There were rules in my house. Break them....and you can find another place to live. Its a free country, unless you are on your own.

Life ain't easy. Make bad choices and you end up in bad places. That is why they are bad choices.

Or my bible is filled with lies.
 
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I figured ya was Cairparavel no worres mate. lol

And SonInMe yes I am a parent to answer your question mate. I have 5 kids, 10 grandkids. I seen and done a whole lot. I am speaking from a parents view. Rules in the house are good you should have them, but there is no reason and I do mean NO REASON a parent should ever toss their kid out like trash. If you think that is ok to do to a child then I can tell ya now we probably won't get along AT ALL. If they are grown that is another story. Your talking to a guy who almost shot his son in law in the front yard for putting his grandson in a head lock trying to choke the poor boy when he was mad. I don't play when it comes to kids. EVER.

There is such a thing I like to call a good old fashion butt whipping. I have delivered many. I will probably deliver many more before I am gone. One thing my kids will tell you. They ALWAYS can count on old Dad to have their back.

FYI I didn't define you. If you feel I did and have to question it then you may need to do a self evaluation. If you fall in the full of garbage Christian category then yes I mean you and everyone else that is in that whole lot. If you do not fit in it then no I absolutely was not talking about you. Only YOU can answer that question mate. Where do you stand? You tell me. lol Ima still love ya regardless.

One last thing. Don't tell me to be quiet. It's rude. lol You don't gotta like me. Just respect me and I'll do the same. Thank you. :)

AgeofKnowledge it happens on both sides. Christian been ugly to them and they been ugly to Christians. I probably didn't express it well when I mentioned the rallies part, but it's both sides. Grown **edited** adults acting foolish and what not. It's just silly and sad IMO. Don't confuse me I am not advocating the belief of homosexuality, but there is a way to discuss things and come to term without doing it with hate. As a Christian we try to emulate this or should try to anyway.
 
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I do have a question to follow up my previous statements cause I am curious to know. Tell me please how is some group of these fellow Christians going to these rallies and acting like a complete and utter dumb **edited** shouting hate remarks and trading insults with these folks rather then combating them with love helping to spread the gospel? Please explain that one to me. Anyone? Anyone at all got a good answer for this? Not a retard answer, but an actual GOOD answer to explain this behavior?
 
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How do you figure?

rough language doesn't bother me when things need to be said. I just wanted to say i agree with the previous post. I also truely believe so-called Christians have been responsible for many, many young confused people's suicides.