Donald Trump Bans Transgenders in the Military

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What are you talking about? Adultery is a serious offense in the armed services. It brings disorder and discredit to the service. It is often prosecuted. I just saw 3 convictions for one month in the army alone on a quick google search. I've known 2 people who have been kicked out for it.
Okay. My google search is coming up with mixed results. Perhaps I'm wrong about the adultery part.
 
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Okay, so transgenders if you prefer. They can pass the physical. Whether or not they are mentally fit is up for debate. Lots of active military members have mental disorders but make it through the psych eval. They still seem to serve just fine. So what disorders disqualify you? I had a professor who's neighbor enlisted with the express desire to know what it was like to kill someone. Made it in. Then of course he got a head injury and was nice and placid after that. The rate of assault in the military is ridiculous, yet these people make it in and serve (although I personally don't think they should). There has been transgender military personnel in the past that served without telling anyone they were transgender. Apparently they passed and did their duty well enough.
If Corporal Klinger can go through the Korean war wearing womens clothes and not get a section 8, there is a legal precedence to reinforce this scenario is on the up and ups. Just sayin'...
 
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You may serve a God but what God do you serve? If you are going to make excuses for one sin, you might as well make excuses for all sins. If you are going to make one lie, you might as well lie about everything. When is the last time you went to an adultery pride parade or a child molester pride parade? Gays are the only ones glorifying their sins. Either you live to follow the Word, or you live by your own understanding.
What are you talking about?!?! This is about transgenders, not gays, and I never said being transgender wasn't a sin, just that it shouldn't be a determining factor in the military. If you want a sinless military, then you're going to be holding your breath. And what sins would you say should disqualify you from the military and which ones shouldn't? Where does this list come from? Because God had David lead his army and David was an adulterer who did nothing when his son raped his daughter.
 

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Yeah, but first they have to prove it, and the odds of that are slim.
Not that slim actually. The military uses the Uniform Code of Military Justice and not the US criminal code. Adultery is taken very serious by the commanders and is swiftly prosecuted. Convictions are common.









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If Corporal Klinger can go through the Korean war wearing womens clothes and not get a section 8, there is a legal precedence to reinforce this scenario is on the up and ups. Just sayin'...
Didn't know who Corporal Klinger was, but the pictures that turned up made me chuckle.
 

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You may serve a God but what God do you serve? If you are going to make excuses for one sin, you might as well make excuses for all sins. If you are going to make one lie, you might as well lie about everything. When is the last time you went to an adultery pride parade or a child molester pride parade? Gays are the only ones glorifying their sins. Either you live to follow the Word, or you live by your own understanding.
Those is in the US armed forces serve under their commander-in-chief who is the President of the United States.
 

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What are you talking about?!?! This is about transgenders, not gays, and I never said being transgender wasn't a sin, just that it shouldn't be a determining factor in the military. If you want a sinless military, then you're going to be holding your breath. And what sins would you say should disqualify you from the military and which ones shouldn't? Where does this list come from? Because God had David lead his army and David was an adulterer who did nothing when his son raped his daughter.
Sure there is plenty of sin to go around in the military and everywhere else. But the trans thing is about a cost. A cost in money, a cost in medical services that are a limited resource, and an overwhelming cost in time. Time that effects readiness. A cost of readiness in a military that must be mobile at any time.
Then there is the cost to unit cohesion. A fair amount of service members are uneasy with being confined to barracks, latrines, and showers with people of the opposite gender.
 
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Sure there is plenty of sin to go around in the military and everywhere else. But the trans thing is about a cost. A cost in money, a cost in medical services that are a limited resource, and an overwhelming cost in time. Time that effects readiness. A cost of readiness in a military that must be mobile at any time.
Then there is the cost to unit cohesion. A fair amount of service members are uneasy with being confined to barracks, latrines, and showers with people of the opposite gender.
The cost is a significant barrier, but there's no need to pay for gender reassignment surgery. I agree that's going to be a fight people keep waging, but at the end of the day, if someone truly wants to serve they should do so with or without the surgery being paid.
As for barracks and latrines, I can see ways around it. Not ones many transgenders will be completely satisfied with, but still ways. Whatever outward sex a person has should be where one needs to enlist with. If they chose to have the surgery done on their own cost, then that's one thing, but others should not need to be exposed to the genitilia of a member of the opposite sex.
 

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The cost is a significant barrier, but there's no need to pay for gender reassignment surgery. I agree that's going to be a fight people keep waging, but at the end of the day, if someone truly wants to serve they should do so with or without the surgery being paid.
As for barracks and latrines, I can see ways around it. Not ones many transgenders will be completely satisfied with, but still ways. Whatever outward sex a person has should be where one needs to enlist with. If they chose to have the surgery done on their own cost, then that's one thing, but others should not need to be exposed to the genitilia of a member of the opposite sex.
But that's the thing, Trump isn't banning people from the military who keep a lid on their gender identity issues. He is banning people who are one gender and want to be accommodated as the opposite. Including surgery. No recruiter is checking a transgender box on the paperwork. This is Trump stopping the accommodation of males or females wanting to be the opposite. All the workarounds you wrote of is simply a transgender keeping their mouth shut about being transgendered.
 
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LGBT... transgender. Why do you split hairs? Do not you want know and believe the truth? Why do you follow lies and deception? Do not be deceived. Why do you entertain this transgender ludicrosity? We are all created in the image of God, equal and human. Do you believe the word of God? If so, is transgenderism biblical, or is it a lie made by man? Is not God's word enough?

What are you talking about?!?! This is about transgenders, not gays, and I never said being transgender wasn't a sin, just that it shouldn't be a determining factor in the military. If you want a sinless military, then you're going to be holding your breath. And what sins would you say should disqualify you from the military and which ones shouldn't? Where does this list come from? Because God had David lead his army and David was an adulterer who did nothing when his son raped his daughter.
 
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LGBT... transgender. Why do you split hairs? Do not you want know and believe the truth? Why do you follow lies and deception? Do not be deceived. Why do you entertain this transgender ludicrosity? We are all created in the image of God, equal and human. Do you believe the word of God? If so, is transgenderism biblical, or is it a lie made by man? Is not God's word enough?
Read the whole post. Sin doesn't mean disqualified from military service. I would never go near David on Earth without mace and a bodyguard, let alone consider him fit for military service. But God put him in charge of Israel and the army. I ask you again, what sin disqualifies you from military service and what doesn't? Because, as far as I can remember, the Bible doesn't give a list, but God used some pretty sketchy people, including murderers, adulterers, child abusers, rapists, thieves, etc. to win wars God commanded. If there's a list that says no sin disqualifies someone from military service except transgenderism, then you're right. But I simply can't remember a verse that says that.
 
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But that's the thing, Trump isn't banning people from the military who keep a lid on their gender identity issues. He is banning people who are one gender and want to be accommodated as the opposite. Including surgery. No recruiter is checking a transgender box on the paperwork. This is Trump stopping the accommodation of males or females wanting to be the opposite. All the workarounds you wrote of is simply a transgender keeping their mouth shut about being transgendered.
Not necessarily; just paying for the cost him/herself or vocalizing it, but using the restroom that matches his/her outward genitilia. Trump's ban would ban people who would be willing to pay for the surgery themselves or have even already have it, making cost in their case irrelevant.
 

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Not necessarily; just paying for the cost him/herself or vocalizing it, but using the restroom that matches his/her outward genitilia. Trump's ban would ban people who would be willing to pay for the surgery themselves or have even already have it, making cost in their case irrelevant.
I'm sorry but the need to wait until after they separate from the service. We need warriors to fight and kill the enemy, not activists laid up in treatment or recovery, occupying a billet, that is need for someone prepared to fight. Doesn't matter if they pay for it themselves.
 
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I'm sorry but the need to wait until after they separate from the service. We need warriors to fight and kill the enemy, not activists laid up in treatment or recovery, occupying a billet, that is need for someone prepared to fight. Doesn't matter if they pay for it themselves.
I don't agree, but then you're not going to agree with me either.
 
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Do you seek to edify your fleshly wonders and social endeavors, or do you post here to seek fellowship and truth? I see a soul that believes a lie. Are you talking about the Lord's army? Does the Bible talk about the US army? With all this it shouldn't matter to you what Trump does with the military but you have a mark on your spirit by this decision. Your venting's are apparent with the conflict they manifest. This is not about who serves the military but a stand for morality, a stand to preserve what is good and reject what is evil. The transgender deception is wicked. Do you stand to live within the bounds of Sodom and Gomorrah, or will you flee such as Lot? Until you accept truth, no word will be sufficient to defeat your spirit of rebellion. Do you believe that transgenderism is not a fairy tail?

Read the whole post. Sin doesn't mean disqualified from military service. I would never go near David on Earth without mace and a bodyguard, let alone consider him fit for military service. But God put him in charge of Israel and the army. I ask you again, what sin disqualifies you from military service and what doesn't? Because, as far as I can remember, the Bible doesn't give a list, but God used some pretty sketchy people, including murderers, adulterers, child abusers, rapists, thieves, etc. to win wars God commanded. If there's a list that says no sin disqualifies someone from military service except transgenderism, then you're right. But I simply can't remember a verse that says that.
 
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What do you base your opinion on?
I could do a search on google and pull up some sources but everyone knows already that he doesn't tell the truth.They use to be respectful and say the things he says are not true or the things he says are false,now they just say,the president Is a liar.:eek:
 

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I could do a search on google and pull up some sources but everyone knows already that he doesn't tell the truth.They use to be respectful and say the things he says are not true or the things he says are false,now they just say,the president Is a liar.:eek:
What has he lied about?
 
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Well If he said that he knows more than the generals,If he truly believes that,then he Is worst than the typical politician and unfit for POTUS but If he doesn't believe that he knows more than the generals but he said he does anyway,then he Is a strait up liar and he knows that we know!that he knows he Is brazen.
 

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Well If he said that he knows more than the generals,If he truly believes that,then he Is worst than the typical politician and unfit for POTUS but If he doesn't believe that he knows more than the generals but he said he does anyway,then he Is a strait up liar and he knows that we know!that he knows he Is brazen.
How do you know what he knows?