Donald Trump, Wavering on Immigration, Finds Anger in All Corners

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Mitspa

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Trump is soaring in the polls why Hillary is dropping like a dead buzzard .. :)
Few days ago..almost everyone on the forum was telling me and a couple other die-hard Trump supporters it was all over and Trump was about to be replaced ... I told you guys then, that I would rub your noses in that nonsense ....
The folks behind Trump are not going to move and they are going to defend him against every lie ..we want our country back and we aim to fight the political battle and the spiritual battle before our nation is destroyed by people like Hillary and the progressive loons.
 
peacenik

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Trump and the polls:


Trump’s poll numbers don’t match Clinton’s electoral map realities




Donald Trump is starting to invoke the polls again, and for good reason.
Hillary Clinton’s average lead in national polls has shrunk from eight percentage points to six since the conventions. A Fox News poll showed her lead shrink from 10 points to two, and her support is ticking downward in battlegrounds from Florida to North Carolina to Pennsylvania.
“Poll numbers way up — making big progress!” the Republican nominee tweeted Thursday.
But heading into Labor Day, the traditional kickoff of the general election, the basic contours of the 2016 presidential race remain as they were months ago despite the daily twists and drama that have defined this cycle: Trump is within reach of winning the White House, but the race is Clinton’s to lose.
That may sound absurd given the Democratic nominee’s baggage and wide unpopularity. But much of that is due to the inherent advantages Democrats have with the electoral map, and the plausible paths to winning 270 electoral votes that equal victory.
Let’s assume Trump wins the 22 states that have gone Republican in each of the past four elections and Clinton wins the 18 states that have gone Democratic in each of the past six. (Yes, we know Trump has talked about upending the conventional map and winning solidly Democratic states like New York, but that appears to be a pipe dream.)
Put the reliably red states in Trump’s column and reliably blue in Clinton’s. She starts off with 242 electoral votes to 180 for Trump. That leaves 10 potential battleground states — Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, Ohio, Iowa, Indiana, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico — with a total of 116 electoral votes.
Trump practically has to sweep those states to win. But Clinton could lose every one of those states except Florida and still win the presidency. Or she could merely win Virginia (where she is heavily favored) and Ohio (where she narrowly leads). In other words, she has multiple paths, Trump doesn’t.
Demographics pose another hurdle to the Republican nominee’s path to 270, and Trump has done little to help himself by broadening his appeal.
“He’s got about an 18-point lead in the demographic of white males who are voting in this election,” Trump’s former campaign manager-turned-pundit Corey Lewandowski saidWednesday on CNN, after Trump delivered a hard-line speech on immigration after hinting he might soften his stance. “They have a high propensity of voting, and so he’s got about an 18-point lead on Hillary Clinton in that particular demographic. This speech is clearly geared at those individuals right now, to make sure they are there, he has locked them in for the election.”
Trump is on track to win an even smaller share of the Hispanic vote than the 30 percent Mitt Romney received nationally in 2012. That poor showing helped deliver states such as Florida, Nevada and Colorado to President Barack Obama, who won re-election with 332 electoral votes to Romney’s 206. Polls likewise show Trump with single-digit support among African-American voters.
Even matching Romney’s 59 percent share of white voters could be a stretch, given that polls consistently show Trump struggling to win over college-educated white voters who make up about one-third of the electorate, and women in general.
The Fox News national poll released this week showed Trump leading among white voters by 13 percentage points and among white women by two percentage points. In 2012, Romney narrowly lost to Obama after winning white voters by 20 percentage points, and winning white women by 12 percentage points.
“You keep hearing this explanation from their team that he is going to run up the score with white, male voters and white voters in general,” said political scientist Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia Center for Politics. “No, he’s going to run up the score with white voters without a college education. Yeah, I agree he may set a record there, but he’s losing badly in loads of other categories.”
Susie Wiles, co-chairman of Trump’s Florida campaign and battleground state adviser to the national campaign, sounded utterly upbeat as she ticked off what’s been happening on the ground in Florida: all 67 counties organized with county leaders; an estimated 50,000 people attending Trump events over the past five weeks; 10 percent of rally attendees becoming volunteers; and Republicans outpacing Democrats in new voter registrations.
“Our people are more engaged, more enthusiastic, more plentiful, and more effective. Every metric and every trend is going in our direction,” Wiles said. “The trajectory is all in the right direction, and in some cases moving so quickly you have to look twice. It’s a very, very winnable race — in the state of Florida certainly and nationally as well.”
Looking at the battleground map as it stands now can be misleading. Some polls may show strongly Republican states like Arizona, Missouri, South Carolina and Georgia as tossups, but given the polarized electorate, it’s safe to assume most or all of those states will move back to Trump before long.
The weirdest presidential election in modern history will probably keep us laughing, cringing and shaking our heads constantly over the next two months. But, as former Obama adviser David Plouffe recently noted, the big picture clearly favors Clinton.
“Each day of this campaign seems big and interesting and crazy but ultimately least suspenseful race since 1984,” Plouffe tweeted, referring to Ronald Reagan vs Walter Mondale (525 to 13). “Forest and trees situation.”
The deeply polarized electorate makes the prospect of a landslide election like 1984 or akin to Richard Nixon vs. George McGovern in 1972 (520 to 17) or Lyndon Johnson vs. Barry Goldwater in 1964 (486 to 52) unlikely.
Clinton may be the clear favorite nine weeks out, but she’s no sure thing. She remains unpopular and widely untrusted, and American voters have usually rejected giving the same party three consecutive terms in the White House. Most Americans think the country is heading in the wrong direction, and national polls show Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein are hurting Clinton more than Trump.
The first televised debate on Sept. 26 could be decisive, as could any major news events. But the clock is ticking on Trump’s prospects, with Florida voting set to start in just five weeks.
The longer the billionaire celebrity allows the campaign to be a referendum on his judgment and temperament rather than on Clinton’s, the harder it will be for him to prove wrong the oddsmakers and analysts overwhelmingly expecting Clinton to win.












Now that the Republican created voter ID laws have been overturned in several states, it will be interesting to see how this impacts on the vote. And Florida which has a very large Hispanic population that he hates so much will be especially telling. Perhaps if Trump would stop being so angry, bigoted, and divisive he could still have a chance.
 
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Mitspa

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haha ..even with rigged polls Trump is ahead now in most ...Hillarys numbers are dropping everyday as more and more details on her crimes are manifest ... This election is over..trump will beat Hillary by a good margin
 
seed_time_harvest

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I hope the debates are Informative but I get the feeling from what I have seen so far Is Donald Trump will be In personal attacks and deflection mode towards Hillary,I would hope he has formulated some plans to share with us by debate time.

I think I understand what Donald Trump Is doing,I understand now why Hillary hasn't had many press conferences.
 
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Mitspa

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Hillary may drop out before the debates ? No way she can stand on the stage against Trump. ...watch she will try to worm her way out of it ...she will pretend she is sick or something while she swears she has no health issues ... and you Hillary supporters will believe what ever she tells you to believe :(
 
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Mitspa said:
Hillary may drop out before the debates ? No way she can stand on the stage against Trump. ...watch she will try to worm her way out of it ...she will pretend she is sick or something while she swears she has no health issues ... and you Hillary supporters will believe what ever she tells you to believe :(
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She can always say she didn't remember the debate schedule...
 
JosephsDreams

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You know when Jesus said you are the salt of the earth. When I think of Hillary, I think of...You are the scum of the earth. And if the scum losses its scummy-ness, what good would it be to satan"
 
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I hope Its a debate on Issues concerning a plan on how we will approach and run the goverment more efficiently, smoothly and not be about personal attacks,a person that knows how to hurt an Idividual while rejecting the needs of the populace did not win the debate,they just showed how selfish and childish they are/were.
 
Sirk

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seed_time_harvest said:
I hope Its a debate on Issues concerning a plan on how we will approach and run the goverment more efficiently, smoothly and not be about personal attacks,a person that knows how to hurt an Idividual while rejecting the needs of the populace did not win the debate,they just showed how selfish and childish they are/were.
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This has been what the democrat party has done right before your eyes for at least the last 2 decades. They destroy their opponents not based on merit but by digging up dirt on them..... and their accomplices in the media splash it all over everyones boob tube. Trump beat them at their own game. He had too because it was the only way to win. If he hadn't come in like a bull in a china shop he would have been buried on the third page. The serious side of Trump is starting to materialize.
 
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Mitspa said:
haha ..even with rigged polls Trump is ahead now in most ...Hillarys numbers are dropping everyday as more and more details on her crimes are manifest ... This election is over..trump will beat Hillary by a good margin
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'most' polls?

try -one- poll...

[TABLE="class: data large"]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]BD/TIPP[/TD]
[TD]8/26 - 9/1[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]861 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.4[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]LA Times/USC[/TD]
[TD]8/27 - 9/2[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]2576 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]4.5[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Trump +3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]FOX News[/TD]
[TD]8/28 - 8/30[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]1011 RV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.0[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]Reuters/Ipsos[/TD]
[TD]8/25 - 8/29[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]1404 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.0[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]Economist/YouGov[/TD]
[TD]8/27 - 8/29[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]1119 RV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]4.0[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]PPP (D)[/TD]
[TD]8/26 - 8/28[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]881 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.3[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]USA Today/Suffolk[/TD]
[TD]8/24 - 8/29[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]1000 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.0[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]Monmouth[/TD]
[TD]8/25 - 8/28[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]689 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.7[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]NBC News/SM[/TD]
[TD]8/22 - 8/28[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]24104 RV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]1.0[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +6[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

there is a term for people who show a consistent pattern of seeing things that aren't actually there...
 
Dude653

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To have been talking so much trash about Mexicans throughout his campaign, he sure did some classic political hiney smooching in Mexico
 
Sirk

Sirk

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RachelBibleStudent said:
'most' polls?

try -one- poll...

[TABLE="class: data large"]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]BD/TIPP[/TD]
[TD]8/26 - 9/1[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]861 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.4[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]LA Times/USC[/TD]
[TD]8/27 - 9/2[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]2576 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]4.5[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Trump +3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]FOX News[/TD]
[TD]8/28 - 8/30[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]1011 RV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.0[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]Reuters/Ipsos[/TD]
[TD]8/25 - 8/29[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]1404 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.0[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]Economist/YouGov[/TD]
[TD]8/27 - 8/29[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]1119 RV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]4.0[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]PPP (D)[/TD]
[TD]8/26 - 8/28[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]881 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.3[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]USA Today/Suffolk[/TD]
[TD]8/24 - 8/29[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]1000 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.0[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]Monmouth[/TD]
[TD]8/25 - 8/28[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]689 LV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]3.7[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: isInRcpAvg"]
[TD="class: noCenter"]NBC News/SM[/TD]
[TD]8/22 - 8/28[/TD]
[TD="class: sample"]24104 RV[/TD]
[TD="class: moe"]1.0[/TD]
[TD]48[/TD]
[TD]42[/TD]
[TD="class: spread"]Clinton +6[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

there is a term for people who show a consistent pattern of seeing things that aren't actually there...
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dont they call them "likely voters"?
 
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Mitspa

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Hey Rachel ..your polls are over a week old now ...find some recent ones :)
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Mitspa said:
Hey Rachel ..your polls are over a week old now ...find some recent ones :)
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BD/TIPP poll...september 1...two days ago...
LA times/USC poll...september 2...yesterday...
fox news poll...august 30...four days ago...
reuters/ipsos poll...august 29...five days ago...
economist/yougov...august 29...five days ago...
PPP poll...august 28...six days ago...
USA today/suffolk poll...august 29...five days ago...
monmouth poll...august 28...six days ago...
nbc news/SM poll...august 28...six days ago...

all -less- than a week old...

these -are- the most recent polls...

you need to find some polls that -actually exist-
 
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Mitspa

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RachelBibleStudent said:
BD/TIPP poll...september 1...two days ago...
LA times/USC poll...september 2...yesterday...
fox news poll...august 30...four days ago...
reuters/ipsos poll...august 29...five days ago...
economist/yougov...august 29...five days ago...
PPP poll...august 28...six days ago...
USA today/suffolk poll...august 29...five days ago...
monmouth poll...august 28...six days ago...
nbc news/SM poll...august 28...six days ago...

all -less- than a week old...

these -are- the most recent polls...

you need to find some polls that -actually exist-
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I'm sorry you must be getting some bad info from the Hillary Campaign ... those numbers are not current
 
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Mitspa

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#97
Give it up Rachel ..your girl is history :(
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Mitspa said:
Give it up Rachel ..your girl is history :(
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once again you show yourself to be a liar...

hillary clinton is not 'my girl' any more than jesus christ is your lord or america is your country...
 
posthuman

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RachelBibleStudent said:
once again you show yourself to be a liar...

hillary clinton is not 'my girl' any more than jesus christ is your lord or america is your country...
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it's always the same story with him, and Utah too.
and some others, i'm sure. but they come to mind as examples.

brainwashed. propaganda. lies. false accusations. hate. one-track mind, unreachable with reason.

this is what conservative media does to people. this is what 8 years of Faux News broadcasting hate has done.
this is why we get something like Trump as a candidate.

this is too bizarre to not have God's hand in it: it's His judgement, just like He blinded the hearts of Israel, so that they could not believe.
 
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