Evangelist Arrested Curbside for Condemning Homosexuality

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It amazes me how the list get longer and longer.. You know ?? The
list of sexual sins. At one time it was adultery. Wow, looks like we
have come a long way in many sexual perversions that are accepted.
I thought of pedophilia yesterday. How that is going to be next hate
target. No one wants to talk about how the Gay lifestyle is going to
lead to more and more pedophilia.
 
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My apologies for the typos. If I could edit the previous post, I would. Alas.
 
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Sexual orientations outside heterosexuality (a word I abhor) could very well be genetic. But does that make it make them right?

Genetics 101: many genetic factors need changes in the environment (including individual choices) in order for genes to take their full affect. Genes, they are finding, have an impact on more parts of the human experience than we, until recently, thought unimaginable. The package includes yes: behavioral defects. Sins.

My family's example is alcoholism. It is the reason why I am careful to avoid hard liquor. Why? It would be wrong of me to go out and get drunk (or stay in and get drunk for that matter).

Just because something is written in on a person's genetic code does not mean it is inherently good or absolves them of all responsibility.
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and neither does it mean it's bad
 
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J-Kay said:
It amazes me how the list get longer and longer.. You know ?? The
list of sexual sins. At one time it was adultery. Wow, looks like we
have come a long way in many sexual perversions that are accepted.
I thought of pedophilia yesterday. How that is going to be next hate
target. No one wants to talk about how the Gay lifestyle is going to
lead to more and more pedophilia.
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And just how is this “lifestyle” going to lead to more child sexual abuse?
 
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PennEd said:
I believe she is comparing sexually immoral sinful deviancy to sexually immoral sinful deviancy.
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Let’s see. One is acrime and the other is a minority.

At issue is the attemptto dehumanize a minority in an attempt to justify prejudice. Go look at history and not how minorities werecompared to sexual predators, animals, criminals, substance abusers and thelike. It was ugly then and nothing hasreally changed.

Homosexuals are no more connected to pedophiles than blackmen are connected to rapists or Jews to those who kill children.
 
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J-Kay said:
It amazes me how the list get longer and longer.. You know ?? The
list of sexual sins. At one time it was adultery. Wow, looks like we
have come a long way in many sexual perversions that are accepted.
I thought of pedophilia yesterday. How that is going to be next hate
target. No one wants to talk about how the Gay lifestyle is going to
lead to more and more pedophilia.
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I would love to talk about how my being gay will lead to more pedophiles, but I don't think this is the thread to do so. Also, while we're at it we can talk about how my being gay will lead to more bestiality too seeing as it also somehow arises from homosexuality. Although, as to not derail this thread any further, seeing as it is about an Evangelist being arrested and not about what homosexuality leads to, I would like to ask you to please send me a private message with your reply.

As for the topic at hand I think people need to grow up. Christians and non Christians. We all have different opinions and beliefs and the sooner we accept that the sooner everyone can get on with their lives. I didn't watch the video, but I believe that he probably wasn't preaching hate. However, people, whether they are Christian or not, tend to have problems when someone is saying something they disagree with. Of course this isn't everyone, but based on my own knowledge I would say majority do. Now I think what would have been smart for the woman to have done was to have confronted the man and discussed her views, but people don't always make the smartest choicest.
 
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TracerBullet said:
and neither does it mean it's bad
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True, there is a difference between a moral slip and a mere genetic defect.

My response was targeted at two kinds of people: those who believe genetics is so determinative that it gives a requisite excuse and those who believe that genetics cannot play a role at all. It is a false dichotomy built on a misunderstanding of both genetics and human nature.

To determine if something is a sin though, we must rely on the Bible and the Holy Spirit's guidance. Scripture is very clear to that end.
 
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TracerBullet said:
Who says it’s a defect?
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That naturalistic answer would be that homosexuals are incapable of procreating and it is therefore a defect.

I'm not a naturalist though. I just believe it is morally wrong.
 
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TracerBullet said:
Sexual orientation, be it heterosexuality or homosexualityor bisexuality, is inborn.

Would you like a short list of some of the research on this?
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No thank you. I've already read that and compared it against all the countering results of research that say that's ridiculous.
 
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Ritter said:
That naturalistic answer would be that homosexuals are incapable of procreating and it is therefore a defect.

I'm not a naturalist though. I just believe it is morally wrong.
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Yes, and the truth is, if it's a defect or even a natural result, within one generation, homosexuality would be cancelled out, as obviously they cannot procreate. Nature cancels out that which cannot procreate.
 
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TracerBullet said:
Let’s see. One is acrime and the other is a minority.

At issue is the attemptto dehumanize a minority in an attempt to justify prejudice. Go look at history and not how minorities werecompared to sexual predators, animals, criminals, substance abusers and thelike. It was ugly then and nothing hasreally changed.

Homosexuals are no more connected to pedophiles than blackmen are connected to rapists or Jews to those who kill children.
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Actually the very reverse of that statement is true. Your intention is to classify corruption as a minority group so it can be protected by using that label. If that could work, you could do the same with pedophilia or even mass murderers. Hey, they're just a minority group; hence, we should give them equal rights? If I want to have sex with animals, aren't I just a member of a minority group? If you dislike that or call me corrupt, then you're prejudice and just a hater!

Garbage argument. Again, if homosexuals are a race of people like blacks are, they would cancel themselves out within one generation. The comparison is beyond stupid.
 
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Daniel94 said:
I would love to talk about how my being gay will lead to more pedophiles, but I don't think this is the thread to do so. Also, while we're at it we can talk about how my being gay will lead to more bestiality too seeing as it also somehow arises from homosexuality. Although, as to not derail this thread any further, seeing as it is about an Evangelist being arrested and not about what homosexuality leads to, I would like to ask you to please send me a private message with your reply.

As for the topic at hand I think people need to grow up. Christians and non Christians. We all have different opinions and beliefs and the sooner we accept that the sooner everyone can get on with their lives. I didn't watch the video, but I believe that he probably wasn't preaching hate. However, people, whether they are Christian or not, tend to have problems when someone is saying something they disagree with. Of course this isn't everyone, but based on my own knowledge I would say majority do. Now I think what would have been smart for the woman to have done was to have confronted the man and discussed her views, but people don't always make the smartest choicest.
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All these arguments you propose are entirely irrelevant to Christians that believe the Bible is the word of God anyway. Repeatedly, all throughout scriptures, it is made clear that God abhors homosexuality. This one verse alone says enough. Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

So why come to a Christian site and try to argue this point? You have the freedom to live as you please, so why try to make followers of the Biblical God ignore what He clearly said in scripture about homosexuality? It is what it is and God's word says what it says. If you don't believe the Bible, that's your choice, but it's perfectly ridiculous for you to say it says anything else or expect Christians to say it says anything but-- homosexuality is an ABOMINATION before the Lord.
 
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Shiloah

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Sorry Daniel, my previous thread probably should have been directed at Tracerbullet and other homosexual defenders here. I think I might have misread your post.
 
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J-Kay

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Ritter said:
My apologies for the typos. If I could edit the previous post, I would. Alas.
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Ritter, that is so true about editing. They do NOT give us enough time to catch error.
Oh, maybe we get better at it the more we need to correct ? Do you think ? I have
more of a problem with not being able to delete a post I wish I didn't post.
God bless,
 
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Ritter said:
That naturalistic answer would be that homosexuals are incapable of procreating and it is therefore a defect.

I'm not a naturalist though. I just believe it is morally wrong.
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most are perfectly capable of procreating. they just don't
 
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No thank you. I've already read that and compared it against all the countering results of research that say that's ridiculous.
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I’ve never seen any legitimately published researchproviding evidence that sexual orientation is a choice or the result of how onewas raised, or the familial relations, or the relationship with eitherparent. If you know of these I would beevery interested in reading them.
 
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Actually the very reverse of that statement is true. Your intention is to classify corruption as a minority group so it can be protected by using that label. If that could work, you could do the same with pedophilia or even mass murderers. Hey, they're just a minority group; hence, we should give them equal rights? If I want to have sex with animals, aren't I just a member of a minority group? If you dislike that or call me corrupt, then you're prejudice and just a hater!

Garbage argument. Again, if homosexuals are a race of people like blacks are, they would cancel themselves out within one generation. The comparison is beyond stupid.
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False. And it’sreally sad that you have to stoop so low as to associate a minority withcriminals. Talk about garbage.


A minority is a culturally, ethnically, religious orracially distinct group that has a shared sense of collective identity andcommunity that coexists with but is subordinate to a more dominant group withsocially shared rules about who belongs and who does not.

homosexuals are a minority. pedophiles are just people who abuse children
 
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