Everything changes next week

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#41
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#41
So what changes next week? Vaccine mandates haven't been a thing for at least a year now
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#42
Sep 14, 2020
37,420
6,913
113
#42
Dude653 said:
So what changes next week? Vaccine mandates haven't been a thing for at least a year now
Click to expand...
The court in NY ruled that people who were fired because of this while ignoring an application for a religious exemption that they should be reinstated and paid for all the time they were out.

However, NYC is still fighting this because once they lose this battle they are bankrupt.
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#43
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#43
ZNP said:
The court in NY ruled that people who were fired because of this while ignoring an application for a religious exemption that they should be reinstated and paid for all the time they were out.

However, NYC is still fighting this because once they lose this battle they are bankrupt.
Click to expand...
I think the mandate was either a vaccine or be tested weekly.
If you don't want the vaccines and being tested weekly is completely reasonable
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#44
Sep 14, 2020
37,420
6,913
113
#44
Dude653 said:
I think the mandate was either a vaccine or be tested weekly.
If you don't want the vaccines and being tested weekly is completely reasonable
Click to expand...
No, that is not correct. I was a teacher, you had to be vaccinated. My wife also worked for the government and had to be vaccinated. The mandate was for NYC gov workers.
 
PennEd

PennEd

Senior Member
#45
Apr 22, 2013
13,612
9,127
113
#45
EDENgate said:
An Administrator or Moderator should change their profile identity then. From that of Christian to that of atheist.

I think that would give support for what is obvious already in their posts.
Click to expand...
Well just to be clear, this isn’t me surmising from his posts.

He has said he no longer believes.
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#47
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#47
PennEd said:
Well just to be clear, this isn’t me surmising from his posts.

He has said he no longer believes.
Click to expand...
I have my own personal reasons why I no longer am a believer. If anyone is interested in having that conversation we can do so privately because I'm not here to try to do convert anyone .That's why I stay out of the bible discussion threads and just stick to the news discussion and miscellaneous stuff. Been here since 2011 and where I have butted heads with people here is that I think the Constitution outweighs any religious theocracy as per the amendment clause. I'm sorry some people here get butt hurt when I don't agree with their conspiracy theories
 
PennEd

PennEd

Senior Member
#48
Apr 22, 2013
13,612
9,127
113
#48
Dude653 said:
I have my own personal reasons why I no longer am a believer. If anyone is interested in having that conversation we can do so privately because I'm not here to try to do convert anyone .That's why I stay out of the bible discussion threads and just stick to the news discussion and miscellaneous stuff. Been here since 2011 and where I have butted heads with people here is that I think the Constitution outweighs any religious theocracy as per the amendment clause. I'm sorry some people here get butt hurt when I don't agree with their conspiracy theories
Click to expand...
That’s fine, but then you shouldn’t be asking people about where something is in the Bible since you don’t believe in it anymore.
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#49
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#49
PennEd said:
That’s fine, but then you shouldn’t be asking people about where something is in the Bible since you don’t believe in it anymore.
Click to expand...
I had a reason for asking because if they are going to claim religious exemption that I wanted to see what scripture they are using.
If a Muslim were claiming religious exemption I would ask him to show me the verse in the Quran too
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#50
Sep 14, 2020
37,420
6,913
113
#50
Dude653 said:
I had a reason for asking because if they are going to claim religious exemption that I wanted to see what scripture they are using.
If a Muslim were claiming religious exemption I would ask him to show me the verse in the Quran too
Click to expand...
:ROFL::LOL:So even though you are not a believer you still want to be the one who decides what true believers are. That's is hilarious. This is why we say that atheists believe they are god. So much for staying out of the Bible discussion threads.
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#51
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#51
ZNP said:
:ROFL::LOL:So even though you are not a believer you still want to be the one who decides what true believers are. That's is hilarious. This is why we say that atheists believe they are god. So much for staying out of the Bible discussion threads.
Click to expand...
Epistemology. It's just asking a question of what do you believe about this issue and why do you believe it. That's how conversations work.
Also you are straw Manning me because I have said multiple times on this forum that if you don't want the vaccine then that is your choice.
You have your personal reasons for not taking it and I have my personal reasons for taking it
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#52
Sep 14, 2020
37,420
6,913
113
#52
Dude653 said:
Epistemology. It's just asking a question of what do you believe about this issue and why do you believe it. That's how conversations work.
Also you are straw Manning me because I have said multiple times on this forum that if you don't want the vaccine then that is your choice.
You have your personal reasons for not taking it and I have my personal reasons for taking it
Click to expand...
The discussion was about people who claimed a religious exemption from the vaccine. You disputed their right to do that because according to you there is no Bible verse. That means you are a judge and you are judging the legitimacy of their "religious exemption". No straw man, simply the facts.

You also said that you avoid Bible discussion threads and stick to the news threads since you are not a believer, and yet here you are pulling up the Bible on the news thread.

How hypocritical is this. Do Muslims have to quote the Bible? Do Buddhists? Do Catholics? No, if their Imam, or Pope or the Dalai Lama says something, good enough. So you deny Jesus speaking to the believer and you reject a letter from the Pastor. Hypocrisy.
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#53
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#53
ZNP said:
The discussion was about people who claimed a religious exemption from the vaccine. You disputed their right to do that because according to you there is no Bible verse. That means you are a judge and you are judging the legitimacy of their "religious exemption". No straw man, simply the facts.

You also said that you avoid Bible discussion threads and stick to the news threads since you are not a believer, and yet here you are pulling up the Bible on the news thread.

How hypocritical is this. Do Muslims have to quote the Bible? Do Buddhists? Do Catholics? No, if their Imam, or Pope or the Dalai Lama says something, good enough. So you deny Jesus speaking to the believer and you reject a letter from the Pastor. Hypocrisy.
Click to expand...
This is your second straw man. I never claimed there's not a verse that says anything about the vaccine thing. I asked which verse are you using to arrive at this conclusion.
Then I said I don't necessarily agree that the Temple of Christ applies because I don't believe the vaccine is poisoning your body.
Every vaccine ever has had a few casualties. That's just the nature of human biology.
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#54
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#54
ZNP said:
The discussion was about people who claimed a religious exemption from the vaccine. You disputed their right to do that because according to you there is no Bible verse. That means you are a judge and you are judging the legitimacy of their "religious exemption". No straw man, simply the facts.

You also said that you avoid Bible discussion threads and stick to the news threads since you are not a believer, and yet here you are pulling up the Bible on the news thread.

How hypocritical is this. Do Muslims have to quote the Bible? Do Buddhists? Do Catholics? No, if their Imam, or Pope or the Dalai Lama says something, good enough. So you deny Jesus speaking to the believer and you reject a letter from the Pastor. Hypocrisy.
Click to expand...
This is the reason I butt heads with people here because they straw man my arguments just like you're doing to me right now.. I made no claim that the Bible doesn't have a legitimate scripture that says you can't take a vaccine.
All I said was I don't necessarily agree that the Temple of Christ verse applies for the reasons I described above
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#55
Sep 14, 2020
37,420
6,913
113
#55
Dude653 said:
This is your second straw man. I never claimed there's not a verse that says anything about the vaccine thing. I asked which verse are you using to arrive at this conclusion.
Then I said I don't necessarily agree that the Temple of Christ applies because I don't believe the vaccine is poisoning your body.
Every vaccine ever has had a few casualties. That's just the nature of human biology.
Click to expand...
It doesn't matter if you agree. We have a constitution, it gives us the freedom of religion regardless of whether or not you agree. That is the point.

There is a process for applying for a religious exemption.

It is foolish to ask me about what verse, I didn't apply for a religious exemption and neither did my wife. Ask the person who applied, it is their right that they exercised.
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#56
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#56
ZNP said:
It doesn't matter if you agree. We have a constitution, it gives us the freedom of religion regardless of whether or not you agree. That is the point.

There is a process for applying for a religious exemption.

It is foolish to ask me about what verse, I didn't apply for a religious exemption and neither did my wife. Ask the person who applied, it is their right that they exercised.
Click to expand...
Yeah it's called My opinion. I'm just trying to have a conversation you're the one getting combative here
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#57
Sep 14, 2020
37,420
6,913
113
#57
Dude653 said:
This is the reason I butt heads with people here because they straw man my arguments just like you're doing to me right now.. I made no claim that the Bible doesn't have a legitimate scripture that says you can't take a vaccine.
All I said was I don't necessarily agree that the Temple of Christ verse applies for the reasons I described above
Click to expand...
Your argument was illegitimate. The question is not which Bible verse did they base it on, the question is what is the process by which you apply. You know perfectly well that in this country everyone has the freedom of religion so obviously they do not require a Bible verse for people who do not see the Bible as the word of God. Instead they ask for a recognized leader in your religion to write a letter. That is the law for everyone. Why would you think there is some special requirement for Christians? Hypocrisy.

Dude653 said:
I had a reason for asking because if they are going to claim religious exemption that I wanted to see what scripture they are using.
If a Muslim were claiming religious exemption I would ask him to show me the verse in the Quran too
Click to expand...
Don't try and change what you said, they claimed a religious exemption, therefore you need to see the letter from their pastor. That is the law.

Go ahead and try to ask for the verse in the Quran, let's see how far that gets you.

Muhammed Ali claimed a religious exemption from the Vietnam war and eventually won. Many Muslims didn't. You don't need a verse, you need a letter from your religious leader.
 
Moses_Young

Moses_Young

Banned
#58
Sep 15, 2019
9,989
5,540
113
#58
ZNP said:
Biden the Statesman calms everyone down

This afternoon Biden gave a speech in which he said that it may take days even a week for us to know the results of the election, do not question that. Also do not complain.

Let's see how that goes over.
Click to expand...
Interesting. I think Biden will cheat again, because:
1) What choice does he have?
2) The people must learn they can't vote their way out of a stolen election.
3) It might be a good excuse to arrest Trump.
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#59
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#59
ZNP said:
Your argument was illegitimate. The question is not which Bible verse did they base it on, the question is what is the process by which you apply. You know perfectly well that in this country everyone has the freedom of religion so obviously they do not require a Bible verse for people who do not see the Bible as the word of God. Instead they ask for a recognized leader in your religion to write a letter. That is the law for everyone. Why would you think there is some special requirement for Christians? Hypocrisy.



Don't try and change what you said, they claimed a religious exemption, therefore you need to see the letter from their pastor. That is the law.

Go ahead and try to ask for the verse in the Quran, let's see how far that gets you.

Muhammed Ali claimed a religious exemption from the Vietnam war and eventually won. Many Muslims didn't. You don't need a verse, you need a letter from your religious leader.
Click to expand...
Again I'm just trying to have a conversation here. You're the one getting combative.
I just asked which scripture are you using and then I explained why I don't necessarily agree that that scripture applies but then again that's my opinion. I'm not stating it as a fact.
Also as I have said about a billion times, if you don't want the vaccine then don't take it. Your body, your choice
One's body is invaluable subject to one's will alone..
.. before you straw man me again, that is also my personal opinion
 
Dude653

Dude653

Senior Member
#60
Mar 19, 2011
12,980
1,150
113
#60
Also vaccine mandates haven't been a thing for at least a year so it's kind of irrelevant at this point
 
You must log in or register to reply here.