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Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went Away

October 8, 2011 By Phil Hickey |
Post edited and updated January 2, 2013, to reflect clarifications as a result of interactions with the many people who have left comments. I thank them for their input.

According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II. (The DSM – Diagnostic and Statistical Manual – is the APA’s standard classification of their so-called mental disorders, and is used by many mental health workers in the USA and other countries.)


Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.



What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.


The APA claimed that they made the change because new research showed that most homosexual people were content with their sexual orientation, and that as a group, they appeared to be as well-adjusted as heterosexual people. I suggest, however, that these research findings were simply the APA’s face-saver. For centuries, perhaps millennia, homosexual people had clung to their sexual orientation despite the most severe persecution and vilification, including imprisonment and death. Wouldn’t this suggest that they were happy with their orientation? Do we need research to confirm this? And if we do, shouldn’t we also need research to confirm that heterosexual people are happy with their orientation? And if poor adjustment is critical to a diagnosis of mental illness, where was the evidence of this that justified making homosexuality a mental illness in the first place?


Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous. Only about 55% of the members who voted favored the change.





Open Access Journal
Behav Sci (Basel). 2015 Dec; 5(4): 565–575.
Published online 2015 Dec 4. doi: 10.3390/bs5040565
PMCID: PMC4695779
PMID: 26690228
Out of DSM: Depathologizing Homosexuality



As we've heard so much about humans being classified as animals, biologically speaking, "evolutionarily" speaking, what is of paramount importance in our recollection , as I see it, is that regardless of what one's posited belief is concerning the aforementioned, science or Creator God, survival of a species is dependent on procreation and reproduction of said species.

That homo-sexuality, same sex sexuality, is not a natural biological process co-concomitant to that end is obvious.
Two Lesbians cannot create an offspring. Nor can two homosexual males. They must therefore cross into the realm of hetero-sexual congress in order to survive their blood line or DNA.

Whereas, in the case of retarding human biological reproduction, exclusive congress, same sex sexual congress with no cross over into opposite sex congress, homo-sexuality would be the natural expression of neuter, to thus insure no reproduction, no new offspring, and the eventual extinction of the human race.

With numbers nearing 7+ billion souls on planet Earth to date, and calculations in the United States regarding the homosexual population at about or near 3.3% of the over 330 million + Americans, the polemic is heretofore neuter or atypical and therefore, ab-normal.
A thought provoking and fascinating article from Mr. Hickey. I read some of the other articles on his website. He is a licensed psychologist who is part of the "anti-psychiatry" movement who speaks out against the whole basis for modern psychiatry: the medicalising of problematic human behaviour and the drugs they push. He actually outright says there are " no mental illnesses".

"The overall point being that the APA’s taxonomy is nothing more than self-serving nonsense. Real illnesses are not banished by voting or by fiat, but by valid science and hard work. There are no mental illnesses. Rather, there are people. We have problems; we have orientations; we have habits; we have perspectives. Sometimes we do well, other times we make a mess of things. We are complicated. Our feelings fluctuate with our circumstances, from the depths of despondency to the pinnacles of bliss. And perhaps, most of all, we are individuals. DSM’s facile and self-serving attempt to medicalize human problems is an institutionalized insult to human dignity. The homosexual community has managed to liberate themselves from psychiatric oppression. But there are millions of people worldwide who are still being damaged, stigmatized, and disempowered by this pernicious system to this day"

So he feels that the gay community have liberated themselves from this oppressive industry. So the fact of a vote to remove homosexuality off of the list of of mental illnesses within the APA speaks more about them and their methods, rather than saying anything about gay people.

Your last point depends on how you use the word "normal". It is normal for a small percentage of people within a given population to be homosexual, but it would be abnormal for the whole population to be homosexual.
If there was a single, purely genetic basis for homosexuality then we would expect it to die out, since it is not replicated. However, since it persists in a small percentage then this cannot be the case. The research is ongoing.
 
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Being or choosing to be homosexual, gay, bi or transgender is demonic. But, what is “demonic”?

Look, when we sin in our “flesh” we just simply sin in disobedience to God. However, when we sin because of demonic oppression and possession....... well, we need deliverance. Demonic oppression is a deep pit and we need a rope..... we need Yeshua/Jesus.... He is The Rope, the way out... He is our deliverance. Amen.

Demons are spiritual beings that dwell in the spiritual realm. They, like viruses, are looking for a host cell - a body to possess so they can carry out what brings THEM (NOT US OR GOD) pleasure.

So may people don’t read their Bible. They don’t know when they have these weird sexual thoughts that it is NOT them, it is a demon messing with them in their thoughts. If the person comes in agreement with the demonic thought, then the demon is given access and can possess the person.

Read Romans chapter 1 in its entirety. Be free from sexual demonic thoughts and attempts to possess you. Choose the Father’s Will for your life.

Come out of agreement with any and all demons! YOU possess your vessel (body) and invite Yeshua/Jesus Christ in to dwell with you, AMEN! :love:(y)
I was a committed christian. I invited Jesus into my life. I read the bible. I prayed. I was prayed for for deliverance. It did not change my sexuality. I wanted the change, but it didn't happen.
 
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rabbit hole

this is not about abuse

this is about the word of God and what GOD states

you cannot change that and you will have to answer to God as will every other homosexual...past...present and future

homosexuality is a perversion of God's creation
Fair enough. I do seek God. I am happy to answer to God. I just hope he isn't like some of his followers.
 

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just be careful you dont hate gays in the process. im not a fan of ssm either. but the challenge is to see the human being. being inclusive whilst expressing disagreement.
Bible says to hate the sin, but love the sinner. What the LGBT community needs to understand is even though we disagree with their choice, it doesn't mean we don't love them any less. God's commandment says to love one another.
 
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Bible says to hate the sin, but love the sinner. What the LGBT community needs to understand is even though we disagree with their choice, it doesn't mean we don't love them any less. God's commandment says to love one another.
no

actually Gandhi said that

you will NOT find that quote in the Bible
 

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no

actually Gandhi said that

you will NOT find that quote in the Bible
Yes Gandhi was quoting> The earliest use of this phrase comes from St. Augustine in a letter he wrote to a commune of nuns (Letter 211, c. 424).
 

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no

actually Gandhi said that

you will NOT find that quote in the Bible
Romans 5:8 ESV; But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV; There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Jesus said in Matthew 6:14-15 ESV; For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
 

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actually Gandhi said that

you will NOT find that quote in the Bible
Not the exact phrase you are right but it says this...

Jude 22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.[a]
 

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actually Gandhi said that

you will NOT find that quote in the Bible
https://billygraham.org/answer/ive-...but-loves-the-sinner-but-is-this-really-true/
Q: I've always heard that "God hates the sin but loves the sinner," but is this really true?
A: If God only loved people who are perfect and worthy of His love, then He wouldn’t love anyone — because we’re all imperfect and unworthy. As the Bible says, “There is no one righteous, not even one” (Romans 3:10).
But God doesn’t look at us this way. Instead, the Bible says, God loves us in spite of our sin and rebellion, and He has done everything possible to demonstrate His love to us. Think for a moment of all the good things God gives us that we don’t deserve: our lives, our families, our health, our freedoms. Even the next breath you take is a sign of His love for you, whether you realize it or not....
 

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actually Gandhi said that

you will NOT find that quote in the Bible
And this...

Romans 12:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
Love in Action
9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves.
 

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John 21:25 25Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
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And this...

Romans 12:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
Love in Action
9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves.
gee thanks

you still quoted Gandhi and said it was from the Bible

whatever :rolleyes:

sincere love is not wishy washy and is actually not an emotion

you can be devoted to those who practice sin and say God condones it, but you will not find that in the Bible either
 
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oh my

and there is 11th hr again

LOL!
 
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you cannot love people into heaven and one reason the sexually confused communities have become as militant as so many are, is because they HATE what God says about them

only the blood of Christ will get them into heaven. the blood of Christ washes away all sin but if a person lives in sin or dismisses what God says about it, they are not saved
 

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I can appreciate your stance because I was there maybe 12 months ago too. Communicating with gay activists is enough to make us dig in further.
Now personally Im going to choose my words carefully when talking about this subject to anyone. What would Jesus say? What would Jesus do? Thats the question we need to ask. I dont think he would speak dismissively or theaten them with Hell. He might express his concern at the way the world is going. I think he would speak strongly against same sex marriage though. But he would not denounce homosexuality as abhorrent. Its a trucjy issue and I notice a lot of famous Christians choose not to talk about it. Phillip Yancey is one?
FR... homosexuality is abhorrent to Jesus🙂
 
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FR... homosexuality is abhorrent to Jesus🙂
So is divorce ( except under strict conditions). Jesus said that if someone divorces their partner and remarries they commit adultery.
Is the church saying to all the people on their 2nd, 3rd or even more marriages that they need to repent? Are they being asked to annul those marriages and go back to their first husband or wife, or to remain single?
If not, then why make allowances for one group of people but not another?? As you say, God makes the rules.
 
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Bible says to hate the sin, but love the sinner. What the LGBT community needs to understand is even though we disagree with their choice, it doesn't mean we don't love them any less. God's commandment says to love one another.
I understand the sentiment of hate the sin, but love the sinner... I think we can hate sin on a general level but I feel like it is difficult to separate out the person from their sin..... I mean we all sin correct?

What I find really troublesome is when people state that God hates sinners and we are to do the same.... that is a problem.
 
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I understand the sentiment of hate the sin, but love the sinner... I think we can hate sin on a general level but I feel like it is difficult to separate out the person from their sin..... I mean we all sin correct?

What I find really troublesome is when people state that God hates sinners and we are to do the same.... that is a problem.
I agree. I,m not sure hating is the way to go. Hatred doesn't tend to bring understanding and enlightened thinking to what we hate. This is especially true when we are trying to work out the inner working of someone else's soul, which only God knows. So who are we to judge others? I seek self knowledge. Only I can get to understand those problem areas in my psyche that keep me from expressing the image of God. Jesus was clear when he said we need to attend to our own sin, not poking around telling people what we think their sin is. Take the great log out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brothers eye, he said. It is a speck because we just don't know someone elses psyche.
 
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I agree. I,m not sure hating is the way to go. Hatred doesn't tend to bring understanding and enlightened thinking to what we hate. This is especially true when we are trying to work out the inner working of someone else's soul, which only God knows. So who are we to judge others? I seek self knowledge. Only I can get to understand those problem areas in my psyche that keep me from expressing the image of God. Jesus was clear when he said we need to attend to our own sin, not poking around telling people what we think their sin is. Take the great log out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brothers eye, he said. It is a speck because we just don't know someone elses psyche.
I have seen many tragedies in my line of work with regards to suicide and homosexuality, very tragic, but I do not agree that the wider culture is delivering the correct message..
... there is only liberty in Christ Jesus and He is more than able to deliver us from our bondage whatever it may be.