Featured Editorial in Christianity Today says: "Trump Should Be Removed from Office"

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Mii

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Or perhaps egregious gaffe?

bumbling blunder? I digress. ;)
 

Lightskin

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That is simply ridiculous. Trump has been under attack even while he was running for office and plans for impeachment were already under way when he had done absolutely nothing.. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a Criminal Conspiracy to perpetrate a COUP against a sitting President, and the impeachment of a man who was caught red-handed in sexual shenanigans at the White House.

If Christians are unable to discern between lies and truth, then God help us all.
President Trump is guilty of one “crime”:
Beating hillary clinton . . .
Thank God! 🙏
 

Nehemiah6

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President Trump is guilty of one “crime”: Beating hillary clinton . . .Thank God! 🙏
November 30, 2019
Hillary Clinton is not just a sore loser; she is a total loser
By Kenneth Eliasberg
As one can readily see, Hillary Clinton has been unable to recover from having lost the 2016 presidential election — a self-inflicted wound that she will never cop to. Or, possibly, an act of divine intervention. She has come up with well over a dozen reasons for her defeat — every one but the real one: that she is a loser, and not just a sore loser, but a total loser. She is incredibly incompetent, fundamentally dishonest, and criminally corrupt, and these are her good qualities.


In addition, she is bereft of a trace of integrity or character, has absolutely no judgment, and is devoid of people skills (she's very easy to dislike and distrust, making it also easy for people exposed to her to become a member of her deplorables). The 2016 race was hers to lose, and by failing to listen to advice on where to campaign, she managed to do just that — lose! Thank God — a Hillary Clinton presidency would be the last nail in America's coffin....

...But for present purposes, I would just like to focus on the liberties that she has always taken with the truth. When Bill Safire of the New York Times called her a congenital liar, he flattered her. You see, the Clintons don't just tell lies; they live them...

...The point here is that Hillary had no choice but to stay in her marriage. Without her connection to Bill Clinton, Hillary could not be nominated for, let alone be elected to, dog-catcher of even the smallest of communities. Her successes in securing all of these positions was achieved by attaching herself to Bill's coattails and riding them to each one of these positions...

...So why did Hillary lose the 2016 presidential election? Because she's Hillary Clinton, a born loser. And, more to the point, Hillary Clinton belongs in the Big House, not in the White House.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...t_just_a_sore_loser_she_is_a_total_loser.html
 

Mii

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On topic, how many of us have ever done anything that could be used as an assault on our character on film or have witnesses we no longer have much contact with (if any). My point is that character assaults could be used against anyone, regardless of whether they are verifiable or not.

Anyone and everyone's name can be dragged through the dirt.

I'm not in any way comparing political figures to Jesus, but think about his very name being a byword among many today, or a cultural expletive. The pharisees seemingly tried quite hard to smear him and trap him.

So for me that shows that it can happen to anyone. Again, valid assertion or not...does an individual's personal past that precludes criminal convictions have any bearing in politics?

I'm not a fan of smear campaigns. It doesn't matter who you are and what you've done...unless it has direct relevancy to the topic at hand, I see it as strongly discouraged.
 
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/c...SxpQpd0nIRx1BAQ4XSnEvgXVoForVZdVt8ga7vKeDcrvE

For those unaware I am a Canadian, although I did spent a good chunk of my younger years growing up in the United States up to the age of 12. I do not have American or dual national status however, so I cannot vote in any U.S. election.

Regardless I am a keen political observer (keener than some, not as keen as others) and I do keep an eye on what's happening in the United States. Why? Because American power and influence touches every corner of the globe and the U.S. is Canada's biggest trading partner. Canada is America's number two trading partner after China. So obviously whoever occupies the White House has an impact up here, as one Canadian Prime Minister once quipped: "When America sneezes Canada catches a cold".

With that being said I do think an article like this has the potential to move the needle, if not in a Senate vote, then possibly come November 2020 when Americans go to the polls. Had this editorial appeared on CNN's website, or any other MSM outlet I'd just say "meh....no big deal". But an lead editorial in a publication that lists Billy Graham as a founder, that's something completely different. Their website says their movement reaches over 5 million Christian leaders each month, and I assume that a large chunk of that is in the United States if not most of it.

According to polling data over 80% of white voters who identify themselves as Evangelicals support Donald Trump. And given the razor thin victory the President achieved in 2016 even a small move of the needle could have a major impact in my view. Yes Trump won the Electoral College vote handily, but I would submit that his 304 to 227 Electoral College victory was due to swing states all falling in line. I'm talking about Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan....had Trump lost Florida and just one of those others, Hillary Clinton would be the one running for re-election right now.

I don't think Trump is at risk of losing solidly red states like Texas or the Carolinas for example...but the swing states of which I've counted 6 here, if Florida and just one other goes to the Democrats, then that would make a huge difference.

I'm curious to see what others have to say after reading this Editorial. And as a gentle reminder, that goes for myself as well, let's remember that this is a Christian forum and that we're all image bearers. That's something I sometimes forget when I vehemently disagree with someone's point of view. I will strive to treat others in the manner in which I like to be treated, with kindness love and respect.

No, it's not moving the needle at all, nor should it. Billy and his son both voted for Trump. And this liberal editor is on his way out the door,this was his parting shot. Any mag that calls themselves Christianity Today and runs an article saying Margret Sanger wasn't wrong in her beliefs tells me all I need to know.
 

posthuman

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It is a matter of rebuking Left wing politics entering into Christianity
it's apparently fine if worldly politics infect Christianity as long as it's republican worldly partisanship.

*shrug*
 

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it's apparently fine if worldly politics infect Christianity as long as it's republican worldly partisanship.

*shrug*
You miss the entire point. Christians are aware of what's happening to our president and by a Left wing that has turned toward the dark side and against all that America stands for and stands against. God continues to bless America despite the best efforts of our enemies both foreign and domestic.

God protect continually our leadership and our people. Amen.
 

posthuman

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They started it, did they not expect people to respond strongly to being told they're not Christian because they voted for Trump?!
probably the same way people might respond to being told they're not Christian because they didn't vote for him.

unclear about 'who started it' lol

we're such sheep.
 

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You miss the entire point. Christians are aware of what's happening to our president and by a Left wing that has turned toward the dark side and against all that America stands for and stands against. God continues to bless America despite the best efforts of our enemies both foreign and domestic.

God protect continually our leadership and our people. Amen.
You are right Whispered, the liberals were appalled when Trump got elected. That is all this is about, trying to defame him. Some Democrats that went along, like that woman rep from Oklahoma, just because of party pressure are being held accountable.

On the issue of Trump: I must ask what did he do that was so immoral. I was saddened that he was the only conservative choice in 2016, but he was. If he has let someone down, I think their expectations were set too high to begin with. I mean, let's face it; will any worldly politician satisfy our Christian heritage? I think not. 17no.gif
 

calibob

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You are right Whispered, the liberals were appalled when Trump got elected. That is all this is about, trying to defame him. Some Democrats that went along, like that woman rep from Oklahoma, just because of party pressure are being held accountable.

On the issue of Trump: I must ask what did he do that was so immoral. I was saddened that he was the only conservative choice in 2016, but he was. If he has let someone down, I think their expectations were set too high to begin with. I mean, let's face it; will any worldly politician satisfy our Christian heritage? I think not. View attachment 208812
He didn't let me down. In fact he's done more than I expected like help pass the mission act. so vets don't have to travel scores of miles to see medical specialists. Obama Care was so Rube Goldberg it was bound to fail from the beginning.

I just didn't expect much to begin with. I wish we'd get a Candidate with the heart of a missionary that's eloquent of speech and as attentive to details as a tax auditor and will put the working class first. I don't see any on the horizon.

If you find one, let me know and I'll go vote for HIM and not his party. I conscientiously object to party politics.
 

calibob

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My daughter was a team supervisor at the local Obama care call center after a few years. She had been a medical front office and billing specialist before hand. She never could make sense out of the AHC act. How were the beneficiaries supposed to, if the staff couldn't either?
 

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They started it, did they not expect people to respond strongly to being told they're not Christian because they voted for Trump?!
I think the moment an opinion piece implies or states such a thing emphatically, the author of said piece cannot be construed as articulating their personal opinion without adding the animus engendered from the whole of the Left and their talking points to date to that opinion piece in CT.

What the author of the CT opinion piece can't get around is this, from The Hill: "...Eighty-one percent of self-described white, born-again or evangelical Christians voted for Trump in 2016, and 78 percent said they approved of his job performance as of March 2019, according to the Pew Research Center.
 

calibob

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I think the moment an opinion piece implies or states such a thing emphatically, the author of said piece cannot be construed as articulating their personal opinion without adding the animus engendered from the whole of the Left and their talking points to date to that opinion piece in CT.

What the author of the CT opinion piece can't get around is this, from The Hill: "...Eighty-one percent of self-described white, born-again or evangelical Christians voted for Trump in 2016, and 78 percent said they approved of his job performance as of March 2019, according to the Pew Research Center.
Born again or Evangelical? Evangelical Christians Are born again or they are frauds. How many didn't vote?