Federal Court Bans American Flag But Allows Mexican Flag At U.S. Public Schools

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AgeofKnowledge

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I'm not deceived posthuman. You are and of course you're not interested in the merits of enculturation, what the bible has to say about citizenship and government, the wider discussion, etc... because you have a myopic agenda to purvey which allows illegal aliens and anchor street gangs to troll U.S. public schools threatening violence upon loyal American kids who wear t-shirts with the American flag on them.

Your persistence in pridefully ignoring my correction is causing other people to read this thread and also be deceived by it.

And I see that you're not above misusing Philippians 3:20 to wash your hands, like Pontus Pilate, of your biblically asserted responsibilities with respect to immigration and government.

The Bible teaches that Christians hold primary and secondary citizenships living simultaneously in two spheres.

The first is the kingdom of God. The second is the sociopolitical sphere (e.g. nation society) we find ourselves in which ultimately is ordained to administer justice as per passages like Romans 13 (a passage I argue as Timothy Baldwin J.D. does in 'Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission').

God's biblical model for living incorporates both family and nation. The Bible has a great deal to say about immigration, government, citizenship, and responsibility toward all three just as it does about the kingdom of God.

Lawlessness with escalating violence and incivility cannot yield peace. Disparate division with roaming gangs of illegals and anchors who's allegiance is to another nation cannot yield peace.

God is one of love and of order, peace, freedom from debt, wise boundaries, and of nations. In some contexts Scripture teaches us to welcome. In other contexts it teaches us to be distinct, set apart, and, at times, to build walls.

Old Testament scholar James Hoffmeier states that the Hebrew word “ger”, translated “alien” or “sojourner” refers to “a person who entered Israel and followed legal procedures to obtain recognized standing as a resident alien.”

This lawful sojourner (“ger”) was not necessarily given all the rights and privileges as the Hebrew citizen, but was treated kindly, indeed much more kindly than was customary among tribes and nations of the ancient world.

In other words, Hoffmeier continues, biblical “… verses about sojourners refer to legal immigrants into the country. But other people who did not have this recognized standing were simply termed ‘foreigners’ and did not have the same benefits or privileges that sojourners did.”

In either case, when they acted violently against Israel, they were punished and deported.

The entire incident was provoked by Mexican students (some legally here, some illegally here, and some in Mexican street gangs) walking around with a Mexican flag on a U.S. public high school that was celebrating a Mexican military victory over a Western power.

And I quote from the ninth circus [sarcasm intended] court ruling:

"A group of Mexican students had been walking around with the Mexican flag, and in response to the white students’ flag-raising, one Mexican student shouted “f*** them white boys, f*** them white boys.” When Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez told the student to stop using profane language, the student said, “But Rodriguez, they are racist. They are being racist. F*** them white boys. Let’s f*** them up.”

"Another Mexican in the words of the district court, 'shoved a Mexican flag at him and said something in Spanish expressing anger at [M.D.’s] clothing [a t-shirt with a U.S. flag on it]."

"As the district court noted, the students offered no evidence 'demonstrating that students wearing the colors of the Mexican flag were targeted for violence.'”

A year later, a group of Caucasian students, all loyal U.S. citizens, wore American flag shirts to school. A group of Mexican students asked Rodriguez why the Caucasian students “get to wear THEIR flag out when we don’t get to wear OUR flag?”

Because it's United States Territory. You're in the United States attending a United States public high school paid for by citizens of the United States.

It's NOT Mexico! That's why!

I will concede; however, that the U.S. Flag Code does address the impropriety of using the flag as an article of personal adornment, a design on items of temporary use, and item of clothing to limit the commercial or common usage of the flag and, thus, maintain its dignity though it is important to remember that the Flag Code is intended as a guide to be followed on a purely voluntary basis as statutes placing civil or criminal penalties on the wearing of the flag on clothing are unconstitutional a result of Supreme Court decisions addressing this area in past flag desecration suits.

In my opinion, the American citizen students of the U.S. have a Constitutional right to wear the American flag on their t-shirts anytime they want 24/7 and anyone who doesn't it like it to the point of threatening them for it should have their citizenship investigated to see if they are here legally and if not deported. If they are here legally, then disciplined for making violent threats against loyal U.S. citizens on behalf of a foreign power (e.g. sedition).

The school acted inappropriately sending the message that loyalty to the U.S. isn't as important as loyalty to Mexico on a U.S. public school campus in the United States and that threats against loyal U.S. citizens on behalf of a foreign power are rewarded not punished and that is NOT acceptable.

Understand that the United States flag is given priority over all other nation's flags IN the United States as per United States Code Section 7, Title Four, states:

"No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof."

^ Got it!

This is going to the U.S. Supreme Court who has a marvelous history of consistently overturning the ninth circus [sarcasm intended]. My prediction is for loyal U.S. citizens to get ready to be happy.
 
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PeterPolitik

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A fair if somewhat unintuitive question. Let me see if I can explain.

Nations built on principles of democracy require a material stakeholder support and participation from its citizens along with a strong identification on the part of its citizens for the nation to realize its potential and achieve (and maintain) success.

Achieving the necessary support requires a strong sense of allegiance that Montesquieu called "vertu."
america wasn't founded on democracy.
democracy is trick, there pal.
democracy is a joke. who wants to be ruled by the opinions (defined by polls) of masses of ignorant people who have no idea what the vice-president's name is? 41% of us don't know who the current vice president is.
 

Dude653

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Honestly, I don't really care about this. Why does it even matter?

​It matters because it is a violation of our constitutional rights and it is a slap in face to all who have served our country,
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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You're obviously completely ignorant on the topic of American democracy. Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens voluntarily participate-either directly or indirectly through elected representatives-in the proposal, development, and creation of laws.

The United States is a federal constitutional republic built on democratic principles. As such, it is a representative democracy.

I'm sorry the public education system, which has deteriorated so dramatically under modern liberal control, failed you to the point that you were never even exposed to what was in my day elementary school level education.



america wasn't founded on democracy.
democracy is trick, there pal.
democracy is a joke. who wants to be ruled by the opinions (defined by polls) of masses of ignorant people who have no idea what the vice-president's name is? 41% of us don't know who the current vice president is.
 

Dude653

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Are we really a democracy? As long as we still have the electoral vote then, no, not really
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Yes we are. Democracy comes in many forms though in all forms eligible citizens participate-either directly or indirectly through elected representatives-in the proposal, development, and creation of laws.

We have representative democracy in the form of a Constitutional Republic.

Ochlocracy (e.g. mob rule) is not the only form of democracy... lol.



Are we really a democracy? As long as we still have the electoral vote then, no, not really
 

posthuman

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I'm not deceived posthuman. You are and of course you're not interested in the merits of enculturation, what the bible has to say about citizenship and government, the wider discussion, etc... because you have a myopic agenda to purvey which allows illegal aliens and anchor street gangs to troll U.S. public schools threatening violence upon loyal American kids who wear t-shirts with the American flag on them.

Your persistence in pridefully ignoring my correction is causing other people to read this thread and also be deceived by it.

And I see that you're not above misusing Philippians 3:20 to wash your hands, like Pontus Pilate, of your biblically asserted responsibilities with respect to immigration and government.
if i'm myopic, it's for the Truth -- and the truth remains that THE THREAD TITLE IS A LIE.
if you think it's "deceptive" for me to try to establish the facts, well, i hope one day you can live up to your own moniker.
age of "knowledge" indeed. hah!

my biblically asserted responsibility is to love Truth and to hate lies.

it's no misuse of scripture to say that my loyalty is to the kingdom of God before it is to any nation. will you wave an American flag in glory one day? maybe rub it in my face? America will be tested and destroyed with fire one day. the Kingdom of Truth will never pass away. read the book.

in case anyone else comes along and is in danger of being deceived, i'll say it again:
THE THREAD TITLE IS A LIE.
i'm sorry that the media deceived you.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Our loyalty is to God first and foremost. I agree with you on that point.

But I disagree with you on many of your other assertions with respect to the facts and refer back to my post #61. The thread title is not a lie and the ad hominem you engage in only reflects poorly on yourself.

Honestly, I'm not affected by it. Peace.

if i'm myopic, it's for the Truth -- and the truth remains that THE THREAD TITLE IS A LIE.
if you think it's "deceptive" for me to try to establish the facts, well, i hope one day you can live up to your own moniker.
age of "knowledge" indeed. hah! my biblically asserted responsibility is to love Truth and to hate lies. it's no misuse of scripture to say that my loyalty is to the kingdom of God before it is to any nation. will you wave an American flag in glory one day? maybe rub it in my face? America will be tested and destroyed with fire one day. the Kingdom of Truth will never pass away. read the book. in case anyone else comes along and is in danger of being deceived, i'll say it again:
THE THREAD TITLE IS A LIE. i'm sorry that the media deceived you.
 

posthuman

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wonderful! now let's make this as clear as possible, because we love the Truth:

thread title:
"Federal Court Bans American Flag But Allows Mexican Flag At U.S. Public Schools"

the truth:
did the federal court ban anything at all? no.
the court case in reference is about what happened at a high school while breaking up a fight among some boys with things left to learn about racism and hyper-nationalism.

the district court and appeals court found that at the school:
"officials did not enforce a blanket ban on American flag apparel"
(the court ruling, page 11 of 16)

was the Mexican flag allowed at the school?

a statement made at the first district court hearing, and unchallenged by the accusers at the appeals court hearing:
"A group of Mexican students asked
Rodriguez why the Caucasian students “get to wear their flag
out when we [sic] don’t get to wear our [sic] flag?” "
(court ruling page 6 of 16)

the thread title is a lie.
 
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In 2013, ICE freed 36,007 convicted criminal aliens from detention who were awaiting the outcome of deportation proceedings, according to a document obtained by the Center for Immigration Studies. This group included aliens convicted of hundreds of violent and serious crimes, including homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping, and aggravated assault. The list of crimes also includes more than 16,000 drunk or drugged driving convictions.

The vast majority of these releases from ICE custody were discretionary, not required by law (in fact, in some instances, apparently contrary to law), nor the result of local sanctuary policies.

The document reveals that the 36,007 convicted criminal aliens freed from ICE custody in many instances had multiple convictions. Among them, the 36,007 had nearly 88,000 convictions, including:


  • 193 homicide convictions (including one willful killing of a public official with gun)
  • 426 sexual assault convictions
  • 303 kidnapping convictions
  • 1,075 aggravated assault convictions
  • 1,160 stolen vehicle convictions
  • 9,187 dangerous drug convictions
  • 16,070 drunk or drugged driving convictions
  • 303 flight escape convictions

ICE Document Details 36,000 Criminal Alien Releases in 2013 | Center for Immigration Studies
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Democrat politicians aren't the only ones at fault here. The judges they appoint are too.

“In some of the releases in 2013, ICE was required by law to release the individuals from custody, pursuant to decisions by the Supreme Court and other federal courts,” Gonzales explained.

“The releases required by court decisions account for a disproportionate number of the serious crimes listed in the report,” she continued. “For example, mandatory releases account for over 75 percent of the homicides listed.”

Based on the CIS report, there were more than 193 homicide convictions among the criminal aliens released.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/13/ICE-responds-to-release-of-36-007-criminal-aliens
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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AgeofKnowledge

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Newspapers in El Salvador and Honduras are promoting policies by the Obama administration that defer deportation to minors brought to the United States as children by their parents — known as "Dreamers" — and those that are housing illegal children at military bases in the South and West.

"Almost all agree that a child who crossed the border illegally with their parents, or in search of a father or a better life, was not making an adult choice to break our laws, and should be treated differently than adult violators of the law," Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson is quoted in a story about a new two-year extension of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy published by Diario El Mundo in El Salvador.

The deluge of illegal immigrants is causing a burden on the border states of Texas and Arizona, and officials have been transporting children from south Texas to Arizona and leaving them at various locations, including holding centers and bus stations.

The Obama administration estimates that 60,000 children under 18 will enter the U.S. illegally alone this year. It's expected to grow to nearly 130,000 next year and will cost American taxpayers $252 per child per day.

Central America Newspapers Promote Obama Policies on Illegals

Obama says it's OK. We just raise taxes on the middle class and borrow more money from China.
 
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Well well well look what we have here. Former Obama Adviser: Central America Exacerbating The Child Migration Crisis:

"A former chief adviser to the Obama administration on Latin America says that political leaders and the wealthy in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador for years have put self-interest above the welfare of their nations, leading the least fortunate to flee to the United States in numbers that have reached a crisis point."

Former Obama Adviser: Central America Exacerbating The Child Migration Crisis | Fox News Latino

And the pope's going to visit our border and tell Obama to borrow more money from China to hand out in illegal alien welfare to drive up our national debt past $20 trillion USD. But why not, it doesn't cost him anything.

https://plus.google.com/+FoxNews/posts/YF5rpXqoikY

Or Obama who just handed out "free" amnesty to 200,000 illegal aliens by executive order using his pen and phone. It doesn't cost him a penny but it will cost the taxpayers about $100,000 USD per illegal alien to raise and educate them for a grand total of about $20,000,000,000 not counting the billions that will need to be spent to incarcerate a fair percentage of them when they join the street gangs and start victimizing the very taxpayers that paid for their upbringing and education.

Obama Offers Mini-Amnesty To 200,000 Kids By 2016 | The Daily Caller
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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"Yesterday, FAIR released a new study examining the taxpayer burden of illegal immigration in California, which found providing education, health care, law enforcement, and social and government services to illegal aliens and their dependents costs California taxpayers $25.3 billion a year. This is an increase of some $4.7 billion since FAIR’s 2010 study was released. These costs amount to a $2,370.00 a year burden per California household headed by a U.S. citizen."

Infographic: The Taxpayer Burden of Illegal Immigration in California

Study: The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on California Taxpayers (2014)