Free speech under threat in the West

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yes... you're allowed to view and perceived things any way you wish. The problem I have with most Christians is that they feel like they had the authority to push their beliefs on others or to take away other people's rights. We've had this discussion before
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Which rights are we trying to take away?
 
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Which rights are we trying to take away?
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An individual on this thread said that transgender an atheist should not have First Amendment rights
 
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what the person was saying was that he did not believe that atheist and trans should be considered religions, and that he did-agreed with a judge at one point saying so.

you liberals need to re-learn something - disagreement and dislike is not hate speech, discrimination, etc...... dis-agreement, as long as it is not threatening, is not wrong.
 
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what the person was saying was that he did not believe that atheist and trans should be considered religions, and that he did-agreed with a judge at one point saying so.

you liberals need to re-learn something - disagreement and dislike is not hate speech, discrimination, etc...... dis-agreement, as long as it is not threatening, is not wrong.
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He said they should not be given equal protection under the First Amendment. First Amendment says freedom of speech correct,?
 
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He said they should not be given equal protection under the First Amendment. First Amendment says freedom of speech correct,?
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you have to read everything the guy wrote, not just isolate one sentence and cry fowl over it. context, dude, context. the guy was not talking about speech, he was talking about those things not being religious.
 
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you have to read everything the guy wrote, not just isolate one sentence and cry fowl over it. context, dude, context. the guy was not talking about speech, he was talking about those things not being religious.
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Exactly. And this is exactly how people read the bible. Lol. Build a theology on one or two passages that agree with each other.
 
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you have to read everything the guy wrote, not just isolate one sentence and cry fowl over it. context, dude, context. the guy was not talking about speech, he was talking about those things not being religious.
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Thereby attempting to create a loophole in which their constitutional rights are inferior to ours
 
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Hitler developed a 30-point plan for the new “National Reich Church,” which was even published by The New York Times in 1942. Among the rules:

  • No pastors, chaplains or priests were allowed to speak in church…. only National Reich orators.
  • All Bibles and pictures of saints were removed from the church altars and replaced with copies of Mein Kampf.
  • The cross was also removed and replaced with the swastika.
  • One of the most controversial Reich Church rules involved the Bible.
Although Hitler quoted scripture in many of his early speeches, he later referred to it as “a fairy story invented by the Jews,” and in 1942, the Bible became a banned book in Germany.

“Adolf Hitler hated the Bible,” says Comfort. “He had his own bible printed, 100,000 copies. There are some copies still around, but most of them were destroyed by people who realized what Hitler had done.”

In Hitler’s bible, all Hebrew words like hallelujah were removed. He also replaced the Ten Commandments with twelve of this own. Among them:

  • Keep the blood pure and your honor holy.
  • Maintain and multiply the heritage of your forefathers.
  • Joyously serve the people with work and sacrifice.
  • Honour your Fuhrer and Master.
Hitler also wrote his own version of the Lord’s Prayer, to be recited by the Hitler Youth:

“Adolf Hitler, you are our great Fuhrer. Thy name makes the enemy tremble. Thy Third Reich comes; thy will alone is law upon the earth. Let us hear daily thy voice, and order us by thy leadership, for we will obey to the end, even with our lives We praise thee; hail Hitler Fuhrer my Fuhrer, given me by God. Protect and preserve my life for long. You saved Germany in time of need; I thank you for my daily bread; be with me for a long time, do not leave me, Fuhrer my Fuhrer, my faith, my light – hail, my Fuhrer.”

Hitler had his own church, his own bible and even his own hymn, sung every day in German schools:

“Adolf Hitler is our savior, our hero. He is the noblest being in the whole wide world. For Hitler, we live. For Hitler, we die. Our Hitler is our Lord, who rules a brave new world.”

Now that Hitler had set up his own Reich religion, it was time to get rid of the competition. And while his persecution of the Jews was well- known, his “Final Solution” for Christians remained a secret for more than 60 years.

In 2002, a Jewish law student discovered a 120-page report from the 1940s.

It was compiled by members of the OSS, an American spy agency in World War II. The report was called The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches. The documents lay out a step-by-step plan to de-Christianize Germany:

  • “Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers.
  • Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders.
  • Re-indoctrinate the congregants.
  • Give them a new faith in Germany’s Third Reich.”
So where were Germany’s Christians in all this? Most of them were too frightened to protest, but a small remnant of Christians did stand up against the Reich Church. A group of 3,000 Protestants known as the “Confessing Church” openly defied Hitler and paid the price.

Hitler said, “I’ll make those damned pastors feel the power of the state in a way they’ve never believed possible. If I ever have the slightest suspicion that they’re getting dangerous, I’ll shoot the lot of them.”

Seven-hundred pastors from the Confessing Church were arrested. Many of them were murdered or sent to concentration camps.

“There is such a thing as evil, in my judgment, and this man is evil,” says Santoro. “Hitler has no permanent loyalties. If you cross him, you'll die.”

The most important aspect of Christianity that Hitler ignored was the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of the world. That’s a role Hitler preferred to take for himself. And even when he did mention Jesus, it wasn’t the Jesus of the Bible. For example, he refused to admit the fact that Jesus was Jewish.

“They didn’t take any notice of John 4, where the woman at the well says, ‘How is it, you being a Jew…’ and Jesus didn’t say, ‘Hang on – I’m a gentile.’” says Comfort. “And then you find the genealogies in the book of Luke; they go right back through David, through to Abraham, so obviously, they didn’t believe the scriptures, and they made up their own Jesus. “

The Jesus Hitler made up was an Aryan, to whom he often referred as “The Nazarene” and “the first great enemy of the Jews.”

Hitler denied the deity of Christ and forced people to worship him as god. Then he killed or imprisoned hundreds of Christian pastors and developed a detailed plan to destroy the Church. If he was a Christian, as many people suggest, then he wasn’t a very good one.

“If you are regenerated by the Holy Spirit, if you are truly born again, you will have the evidence of fruit,” says Comfort. “The fruit of righteousness, the fruit of praise, the fruit of thanksgiving, the fruit of repentance, and especially, the fruit of the spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, generous, faith, meekness and temperance. So if you haven’t got love, you are not a Christian.” Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? - a report on How Hitler Viewed God - The 700 Club | CBN.com

If someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist.

Anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear.
I John 4:3, 8, 18
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You know I love history and read a lot and I did not know this information.Very interesting.I knew that Hitler used religion but I did not know he had formulated his own to that extent.
 
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I'm sorry that your narrow mind can't comprehend any worldview beyond your own. I'm sorry you're too ignorant to understand that an atheist can seve his country. I'm sorry you're too self-righteous to understand that religion doesn't own morality
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Quote" I'm sorry you're too self-righteous to understand that religion doesn't own morality"


Woah Nellie!! Morality comes from God alone! When Christians are taken from this earth there will be no morality. Without God,no morality,period.
 
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He said they should not be given equal protection under the First Amendment. First Amendment says freedom of speech correct,?
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Just a little lesson on democracy vs a republic. America is not to be ruled by feelings or mob rule. Its not about whats popular now.

Quote "O]ur citizens should early understand that the genuine source ofA pure democracy operates by direct majority vote of the people.When an issue is to be decided, the entire population votes on it; the majority
wins and rules. A republic differs in that the general population elects representatives
who then pass laws to govern the nation. A democracy is the rule by majority feeling
(what the Founders described as a “mobocracy” [SUP]12[/SUP]); a republic is rule
by law. If the source of law for a democracy is the popular feeling of the people,
then what is the source of law for the American republic? According to Founder
Noah Webster:
correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament,
or the Christian religion.


The transcendent values of Biblical natural law were the foundation of the American
republic. Consider the stability this provides: in our republic, murder will always
be a crime, for it is always a crime according to the Word of God. however, in
a democracy, if majority of the people decide that murder is no longer a crime,
murder will no longer be a crime.
America’s immutable principles of right and
wrong were not based on the rapidly fluctuating feelings and emotions of the people
but rather on what Montesquieu identified as the “principles that do not change.”[SUP]14[/SUP]
Benjamin Rush similarly observed.

[W]here there is no law, there is no liberty; and nothing deserves
the name of law but that which is certain and universal in its operation upon
all the members of the community.


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kaylagrl said:
Just a little lesson on democracy vs a republic. America is not to be ruled by feelings or mob rule. Its not about whats popular now.

Quote "O]ur citizens should early understand that the genuine source ofA pure democracy operates by direct majority vote of the people.When an issue is to be decided, the entire population votes on it; the majority
wins and rules. A republic differs in that the general population elects representatives
who then pass laws to govern the nation. A democracy is the rule by majority feeling
(what the Founders described as a “mobocracy” [SUP]12[/SUP]); a republic is rule
by law. If the source of law for a democracy is the popular feeling of the people,
then what is the source of law for the American republic? According to Founder
Noah Webster:
correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament,
or the Christian religion.


The transcendent values of Biblical natural law were the foundation of the American
republic. Consider the stability this provides: in our republic, murder will always
be a crime, for it is always a crime according to the Word of God. however, in
a democracy, if majority of the people decide that murder is no longer a crime,
murder will no longer be a crime.
America’s immutable principles of right and
wrong were not based on the rapidly fluctuating feelings and emotions of the people
but rather on what Montesquieu identified as the “principles that do not change.”[SUP]14[/SUP]
Benjamin Rush similarly observed.

[W]here there is no law, there is no liberty; and nothing deserves
the name of law but that which is certain and universal in its operation upon
all the members of the community.


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emotions are irrelevant. atheists and LGBT are tax paying citizens and are entitled to all rights and privilegesome afforded to all Americans
 
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emotions are irrelevant. atheists and LGBT are tax paying citizens and are entitled to all rights and privilegesome afforded to all Americans
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Haha. so paying taxes is the golden ticket to Willy Wonka's factory...
 
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Dude653 said:
emotions are irrelevant. atheists and LGBT are tax paying citizens and are entitled to all rights and privilegesome afforded to all Americans
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yes they are just not special rights there is not such thing as LGBTQ rights there are only American rights in context to American citizens
 
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Dude653 said:
emotions are irrelevant. atheists and LGBT are tax paying citizens and are entitled to all rights and privilegesome afforded to all Americans
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Did you read the post? Didn't have anything to do with emotions. This country was founded on Judeo/Christian laws. Just because a man now wants to be a woman should not mean the laws change to suit them. I my believe Im an elephant doesn't mean I should get tax free peanuts. The law doesn't change because people change their minds. Therefore that is the difference between a republic and a democracy.
 
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