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...and what I am saying is this...if homosexuality is genetic and there is no choice involved, like white skin, then homosexuality could not be passed on. Homosexuals cannot reproduce under the guidelines that they have no choice in their sexual orientation.
Mutation would the only way a gay gene, under those guidelines of no choice, could exist and that would be such a low number of people as to make homosexuality an extreme rarity.
Mutation would the only way a gay gene, under those guidelines of no choice, could exist and that would be such a low number of people as to make homosexuality an extreme rarity.
That's bad science. Sickle cell anemia is genetic, almost all African Americans carry the genetic disease, but not all have the disease. Its called being a carrier. Remember what you learned in Biology. Recessive/Dominant genes don't always appear. Its why a black couple can give birth to a white child if within the genetic code existed caucazoidal genes. Its also why genetic diseases can pass on through generations only appearing every so often. We see that insanity at times is genetic. Having schizophrenia means that you are most likely descended from those who suffered from schizophrenia. And since homosexuality was so looked down upon and many of them married and had children to hide who they were for fear of being found out, that genetic code could keep going down the generations.
However, I don't believe it is simply genetic. Personally, from what science is now starting to discover its a perfect storm of biological make up. Correct gene, plus hormones released during the first trimester, plus birth order seems to be the three great variables of homosexuality. However, that doesn't make the act or position acceptable or correct. Many are born sociopathic, doesn't mean that it is an acceptable thing. Remember that the entire world is fallen. If some are born with down syndrome, some are sociopaths, and some are homosexuals. This would mean that it is exactly what the APA described it as in the 1970s, "a deviance from normal sexuality that can neither be qualified as a mental or social disease based upon its rejection of all methods of therapy."
Also, if homosexuality is 1-10% of the world population, I would consider that rare. The Christian Broadcasting Network likes to tout the 1.6% statistic, while the modern homosexual belief is that it is 10%. Either way...its rare. Though I believe the biggest problem is the 25% of males who claim to have had homosexual contact. That's more than offensive, since there are those who tried to do something that was not of their nature.
However, I don't believe it is simply genetic. Personally, from what science is now starting to discover its a perfect storm of biological make up. Correct gene, plus hormones released during the first trimester, plus birth order seems to be the three great variables of homosexuality. However, that doesn't make the act or position acceptable or correct. Many are born sociopathic, doesn't mean that it is an acceptable thing. Remember that the entire world is fallen. If some are born with down syndrome, some are sociopaths, and some are homosexuals. This would mean that it is exactly what the APA described it as in the 1970s, "a deviance from normal sexuality that can neither be qualified as a mental or social disease based upon its rejection of all methods of therapy."
Also, if homosexuality is 1-10% of the world population, I would consider that rare. The Christian Broadcasting Network likes to tout the 1.6% statistic, while the modern homosexual belief is that it is 10%. Either way...its rare. Though I believe the biggest problem is the 25% of males who claim to have had homosexual contact. That's more than offensive, since there are those who tried to do something that was not of their nature.
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If psychopathy is genetic, and homosexuality is genetic, saying 'they're both not justifiably acceptable' is a gigantic false equation. Psychopathy is as natural as homosexuality is; both happen in nature, and both are justifiably acceptable in many ways. Psychopathy is not synonymous with serial murder for instance, like most people think, and homosexuality is not synonymous with sexual perversion, rape, paedophilia or some other destructive personality trait. Lots of CEO's are psychopaths, as are plenty of pathologists; people we'd consider socially productive, who contribute positively in some way (though I could also argue CEO's contribute negatively to society in other ways).
Ultimately we need to ask what the motive is for being against homosexuality, and if the motive is 'because the bible tells me so', well that's not sufficient to give form to the opposition to homosexuality in nationally recognized law. There's no justifiable reason for making homosexuality illegal, just like there's no justifiable reason for making psychopathy illegal, or making mental illness illegal. And don't take that last sentence as some idea that I consider homosexuality to be morally equivalent to psychopathy, or that I consider it a mental illness, because I don't, but I'm illustrating the false connections people seem to make with all these buzzwords; sexual dysfunction, mental illness, rape, paedophilia, sexual misconduct etc etc.
We justify murder being illegal because murder is an act of taking the life of someone else by force; it has intrinsic reason to be discouraged and punished. Give me a similarly justifiable reason to be against homosexuality that doesn't include some inference of 'I just don't like it' or 'it's a disgusting thing' or 'it's like paedophilia' or 'dirty homos' and I'll consider it, genuinely.
Ultimately we need to ask what the motive is for being against homosexuality, and if the motive is 'because the bible tells me so', well that's not sufficient to give form to the opposition to homosexuality in nationally recognized law. There's no justifiable reason for making homosexuality illegal, just like there's no justifiable reason for making psychopathy illegal, or making mental illness illegal. And don't take that last sentence as some idea that I consider homosexuality to be morally equivalent to psychopathy, or that I consider it a mental illness, because I don't, but I'm illustrating the false connections people seem to make with all these buzzwords; sexual dysfunction, mental illness, rape, paedophilia, sexual misconduct etc etc.
We justify murder being illegal because murder is an act of taking the life of someone else by force; it has intrinsic reason to be discouraged and punished. Give me a similarly justifiable reason to be against homosexuality that doesn't include some inference of 'I just don't like it' or 'it's a disgusting thing' or 'it's like paedophilia' or 'dirty homos' and I'll consider it, genuinely.
First, I never said it should be illegal. The government has no power and should have no power as to what happens sexually between two consenting adults.
Second, I believe marriage belongs to religions, since it was them who have always claimed the origin of marriage. Marriage is covenantal, meaning an exchange of persons and families. However, I agree with civil unions, since they are contractual. They safeguard the wishes of each party, including the right to be at the bedside of a friend or the one you love.
Third, because the Bible and experience has told me so. I'm not as niave as many as to what its like being ridiculed and being gay. However, God is clear, there is no ignoring that clarity.
Second, I believe marriage belongs to religions, since it was them who have always claimed the origin of marriage. Marriage is covenantal, meaning an exchange of persons and families. However, I agree with civil unions, since they are contractual. They safeguard the wishes of each party, including the right to be at the bedside of a friend or the one you love.
Third, because the Bible and experience has told me so. I'm not as niave as many as to what its like being ridiculed and being gay. However, God is clear, there is no ignoring that clarity.
The 1.6% statistic for homosexuality comes from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Health survey gives government its first large-scale data on gay, bisexual population - The Washington Post
Gays saying that 10% of the population is gay is wishful thinking on their part. They like to pretend that the number is much higher than it really is.
Gays saying that 10% of the population is gay is wishful thinking on their part. They like to pretend that the number is much higher than it really is.
Interestingly enough Gallup did a survey and found that Millennials mistakenly believe that 30% of the population is gay.That generation has been completely brainwashed into believing that homosexuality is not only normal but also extremely widespread, so this isn't surprising. It's interesting to see the differences between public perception and actual reality.
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"The government has no power and should have no power as to what happens sexually between two consenting adults."
A very interesting statement. But does allowing "sexually between two consenting adults" stop there? After all there are some that argue your point even further. They advocate sex with minors is OK.
"NAMBLA's website states that it is a political, civil rights, and educational organization whose goal is to end "the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships." NAMBLA
Where does all this "do as you want and the others be damned" end? With what the Bible tells us is wrong? Or the "your OK I'm OK" frame of thinking in this world today?
As one great Arab man once said. "When you let the head of the camel in your tent the butt is sure to follow".
Are we living in the days where the "head" has entered into our "tent"? Or are we simply as you say "niave as many"?
A very interesting statement. But does allowing "sexually between two consenting adults" stop there? After all there are some that argue your point even further. They advocate sex with minors is OK.
"NAMBLA's website states that it is a political, civil rights, and educational organization whose goal is to end "the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships." NAMBLA
Where does all this "do as you want and the others be damned" end? With what the Bible tells us is wrong? Or the "your OK I'm OK" frame of thinking in this world today?
As one great Arab man once said. "When you let the head of the camel in your tent the butt is sure to follow".
Are we living in the days where the "head" has entered into our "tent"? Or are we simply as you say "niave as many"?
K
The thing we must come to realize is not what sin is worse than another.
What we must focus on is what our Lord Jesus said.
He said that unless you repent of your sins, you will perish as well.
It does not matter if you are a lier, thief, show hatred, homosexual, murder, pedophile, rapist, idolizer, adulterer, fornicator, and so on.......
If you do not repent of your lies, you will parish just like one who does not repent of pedophilia, murder, or homosexuality.
What we must focus on is what our Lord Jesus said.
He said that unless you repent of your sins, you will perish as well.
It does not matter if you are a lier, thief, show hatred, homosexual, murder, pedophile, rapist, idolizer, adulterer, fornicator, and so on.......
If you do not repent of your lies, you will parish just like one who does not repent of pedophilia, murder, or homosexuality.
In the UK, 6% of people are openly gay. In 1970, the Hamburg institute published a study wherein 18% of men had admitted to having at least one gay sexual experience. They repeated the study in 1990 and the number had fallen to 2%. That nicely coincides with the advent of the argument that being gay is a sexual dysfunction. In Rio, being gay isn't seen the same way as it is in other areas, and 18% of Rio's citizens are openly gay. The number in San Francisco is 15%.
The National Bureau of Economic Research published a study recently that used veiled questioning and reported more than a 50% increase in individuals identifying as non-heterosexual, which they used to estimate that around 20% of people are attracted to the same sex.
The National Bureau of Economic Research published a study recently that used veiled questioning and reported more than a 50% increase in individuals identifying as non-heterosexual, which they used to estimate that around 20% of people are attracted to the same sex.