George Bush Senior dies at the age of 94

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HeraldtheNews

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Sorry to hear about former president George Bush Sr. His service in the Navy in WWII reminds me of my own father, whose aircraft carrier was hit by a kamikaze plane, and although he served below deck in the engine room, he was on deck when the plane had hit. He had an agreement with his wife, my mother, to remember one another in a mutual prayer time at a certain time, and to do this, had to move to a different place on the carrier-- this action saved his life, as the plane hit where he had been standing. His witnessing the deaths around him, inspired him to go to medical school and become a physician.
 

Lillywolf

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I think if we want this memorial thread to garner full respect from Christians we may wish to open a thread in the prayer forum. Fitting really given today Mr.Bush's casket arrived in DC.
This way, if the conspiracy theorists, the openly young disrespectful trolling efforts want to continue their assault on respect, they can be reported and removed from that forum after reporting.
 

Lillywolf

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For my sisters and brothers in Christ who would wish to pay respects.
The Capitol Rotunda service is available to view at this link. The first video starts with the hearse arrival at the Rotunda.
There is also a link that will begin at the start of the full coverage , which is the second video window.
Please only those who respect the prayer forum reply. A man that served his country most of his life is dead. We owe him at least that. Respect.
Thank you.

https://christianchat.com/prayer-re...nda-video-prayers-for-the-family-ghwb.181272/
 
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I think if we want this memorial thread to garner full respect from Christians we may wish to open a thread in the prayer forum. Fitting really given today Mr.Bush's casket arrived in DC.
This way, if the conspiracy theorists, the openly young disrespectful trolling efforts want to continue their assault on respect, they can be reported and removed from that forum after reporting.
This sort of attitude where if anyone disagree with your beliefs they are automatically a "troll" is one of the many things wrong with society today. You should get a job with CNN or one of the other liberal mainstream networks. They love to vilify anyone who disagrees with their progressive agenda and label them as "trolls" or "bigots". Maybe you skimmed over the countless times I've had to remind Soulmate that there is only one way we can make it back to our Heavenly Father... by accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, NOT by accumulating worldly accolades or getting high approval ratings that didn't yield to a 2nd term. If reminding our brothers and sisters of what the word of God has to say is considered "trolling", then I consider it a badge of honor.

You're not going to bully objective right-leaning Libertarians such as myself into submission and silence. Making factual statements is not "disrespect". "Disrespect" is when you ignore the substantive points someone makes and call them trolls for simply disagreeing with you. Some people may get older, but they don't ever grow up.
 

Locutus

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Bloody anarchists..
 
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I am not happy that a man has died who most likely was on the wrong side of the line and was somehow deluded that he was serving the light.

I am also saddened that people fall into believing that some high profile people are professing light, but it is not the ONE TRUE LIGHT of the world but a counterfeit.
 

Solemateleft

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George H.W. Bush helped lead GOP toward evangelicalism

Faith played a significant role throughout the life of the 41st president.
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George H.W. Bush, who died Friday, was a lifetime Episcopalian, part of the blue blood of America’s founding Christianity. But as a presidential candidate, he was part of a Republican opening to evangelicalism that changed the country’s landscape.

A bombing mission that plunged him into the Pacific Ocean during World War II and his younger daughter’s death from leukemia were among the times when he said he looked to God and prayer.

Bush attended Christ Episcopal Church in Greenwich, Conn., as a child. His father, Prescott Bush, was a Republican senator from Connecticut. The future president’s mother, Dorothy Walker, would read to her family from the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer.

[George H.W. Bush, 41st president of the United States, dies at 94]

“He was Episcopalian by tradition. His mother was extremely devout, read all the books. And he loved his mother and so he loved the tradition,” said Doug Wead, who co-authored the 1988 book, “George Bush, Man of Integrity,” with Bush and served as a special assistant to the president, told The Washington Post in April.

The seaside St. Ann’s Episcopal Church, in Kennebunkport, Maine, has been a site for family weddings. The Rev. Billy Graham also was invited to preach there, as he wrote in his book, “Just As I Am.”

A Washington Post story in 1988 quoted George H.W. Bush’s cousin, George Herbert Walker III, as saying the president espoused “a happy Christianity, rarely dwelling on suffering or sin. It was upbeat, ‘Do your duty,’ ‘It’s a great world out there.’ ”

['I have no fear of death' -- Barbara Bush on faith and finality]

Bush was asked throughout his life about his faith in God, and he also tied some memories of historical events to prayer and God. He was still a student at Phillips Academy, a boarding school with a Calvinistic background in Andover, Mass., on Dec. 7, 1941.

“We had been to chapel, the mandatory chapel service. Came out of the chapel and was walking across the campus there when somebody said Pearl Harbor has been bombed,” he told CNN in 2012.

One of his most frequently cited faith moments was after a September 1944 bombing mission. Bush, a naval aviator, parachuted into the Pacific Ocean after his plane was damaged. Bush has been quoted as saying he wondered: “Why had I been spared and what did God have for me?”

“He definitely felt that his experience in World War II was a spiritual moment for him,” Wead said. “He definitely had something happen there ... and [had] several other experiences through his life. When he would be asked about whether he was born again, he’d say, ‘I didn’t have one specific moment above all others that I can point to where everything turned around, I had several.’ And that rescue in World War II was one of them.”

He and his wife, Barbara, married in 1945 at First Presbyterian Church in Barbara’s hometown of Rye, N.Y. When they moved to Texas in the early 1950s, they first joined a Presbyterian church, according to the book “Religion and the Oval Office” by Gary Scott Smith.

The book quotes Bush as saying that the couple’s faith “truly sustained us” after their daughter, Robin, died of leukemia at age 3 in 1953.

Bush was one of 11 presidents who identified as Episcopalian, according to the Pew Research Center. In Houston, where George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush moved in 1960, they attended St. Martin’s Episcopal Church, where her private funeral was held this spring.

[Remember when the White House had faith?]

Bush began to talk about his religious beliefs in public as a presidential candidate. He had to touch on the increasing evangelical movement, Wead says, and the discussion when he was vice president was how he could build a relationship with and show respect to the evangelical movement.

“I soon discovered that, in my opinion, he was on a spiritual journey,” Wead says. “At first it looked like it was all politics … the more I began to realize, he’s defining what he himself believes, and sharpening that, and based on what other people believe and these other traditions and these other philosophies and these other theologies.”

As a candidate for president in 1988, Bush ran against Democratic candidate Michael Dukakis, who supported abortion rights.

During the second presidential debate, on Oct. 13, 1988, Bush said: “I think human life is very, very precious. And, look, this hasn’t been an easy decision for me to meet. I know others disagree with it. But when I was in that little church across the river from Washington and saw our grandchild christened in our faith, I was very pleased indeed that the mother had not aborted that child, and put the child up for adoption [son Marvin Bush and his wife, Margaret, adopted two children]. And so I just feel this is where I’m coming from. And it is personal. And I don’t assail [Michael Dukakis] on that issue, or others on that issue. But that’s the way I, George Bush, feel about it.”

While the Bush family has had both conservative and liberal views on reproductive health and birth control, Ronald M. Green, a professor emeritus for the study of ethics and human values at Dartmouth College, says the Bush family has led, to some extent, the movement of patrician Republicans from centrist thinking to conservative Christian opposition to birth control, abortion and research on reproductive health, such as the use of stem cells or fetal tissue in transplantation.

“G.H.W. started this movement and the politically active sons accentuated it,” says Green, who has followed the Bush family on bioethics issues for 28 years.

Smith’s book “Religion in the Oval Office” notes that Bush celebrated the nation’s Judeo-Christian heritage and he viewed family and faith as America’s “moral compass.”

When Bush accepted the presidential nomination in 1988, his address to the Republican National Convention included these comments: “I am guided by certain traditions. One is that there’s a God, and He is good and His love, while free, has a self-imposed cost: We must be good to one another.”
During his presidency from 1989 to 1993, Bush attended St. John's Episcopal Church in Washington, D.C. In his 1989 inaugural address, he said his first act as the nation’s 41st president would be to pray.

“I ask you to bow your heads,” he said. “Heavenly Father, we bow our heads and thank You for Your love. Accept our thanks for the peace that yields this day and the shared faith that makes its continuance likely. Make us strong to do Your work, willing to heed and hear Your will, and write on our hearts these words: ‘Use power to help people.’ For we are given power not to advance our own purposes, nor to make a great show in the world, nor a name. There is but one just use of power, and it is to serve people. Help us remember, Lord. Amen.”

He closed his remarks by saying, “I do not fear what is ahead. For our problems are large, but our heart is larger. Our challenges are great, but our will is greater. And if our flaws are endless, God's love is truly boundless.”

He mentioned prayer in 220 speeches, remarks and proclamations while president, wrote Smith, also the author of “Faith and the Presidency: From George Washington to George W. Bush” and a fellow for faith and politics in the Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College, a Christian liberal arts school in Pennsylvania.

In his Thanksgiving Day remarks on 1990, Bush discussed the nation’s faith heritage, saying, “The grand experiment called America is but a recent manifestation of humanity’s timeless yearning to be free. Only in freedom can we achieve humanity’s greatest hope: peace. From the wisdom of Solomon to the wonder of the Sermon on the Mount, from the prophecies of Isaiah to the teachings of Islam, the holy books that are our common heritage speak often of the many blessings bestowed upon mankind, often of the love of liberty, often of the cause of peace.”
 

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Let's assume George W. Bush Senior is just as some here think, that all their notions are correct. He is the scum of the earth, spawn of the devil, right up there with Jeffrey Dahmer. Let's assume they knew him personally, spent years of their time in his company, so there was zero room for error in their opinions, that no matter what, they are spot on, no room for speculations because they knew first hand that he was the worst kind of man... Let's take it to the next level, let's assume that they are not assuming with regards to his heart, they know with 100% certainty that he is going to hell. (Not how I feel. I admit that I am not the authority on our former president. Regardless though, I do have an opinion on how I think we should treat each other).

He isn't running for office, and he isn't on trial with us. There are brothers and sisters here that should matter to the rest of us. Disrespect him, give no regard to his family or friends, that is fine and your choice. I just ask, with a humble and meek heart...why not go on hating him somewhere else other than on a thread where folks are paying their respects?
 
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Let's assume George W. Bush Senior is just as some here think, that all their notions are correct. He is the scum of the earth, spawn of the devil, right up there with Jeffrey Dahmer. Let's assume they knew him personally, spent years of their time in his company, so there was zero room for error in their opinions, that no matter what, they are spot on, no room for speculations because they knew first hand that he was the worst kind of man... Let's take it to the next level, let's assume that they are not assuming with regards to his heart, they know with 100% certainty that he is going to hell.

He isn't running for office, and he isn't on trial with us. There are brothers and sisters here that should matter to the rest of us. Disrespect him, give no regard to his family or friends, that is fine and your choice. I just ask, with a humble and meek heart...why not go on hating him somewhere else other than on a thread where folks are paying their respects?
We are commanded to love the sinner but hate the sin. Your "humble and meek heart" mistake stating facts for "disrespecting" and "correction" with "hating". If someone said "Adolf Hitler is in Heaven, walking with God", I'd say, "I am not the Savior Jesus Christ nor do I know if Hitler repented before his death, but I hope he did. If he didn't, I'm not confident he will be there along with the millions of people he murdered." Is this hatred or is this stating what the bible has already told us? Only those who accept Christ as their Savior can enter His kingdom.

If we tell a gay person that "homosexuality is a sin", most will have the same attitude that you have and say, "You hate gays!". That isn't true at all. We love the sinner (we are all sinners after all) but we rebuke and forsake the sin. If anything, not correcting them is more indicative of "hatred" than doing so out of love.
 

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We are commanded to love the sinner but hate the sin. Your "humble and meek heart" mistake stating facts for "disrespecting" and "correction" with "hating". If someone said "Adolf Hitler is in Heaven, walking with God", I'd say, "I am not the Savior Jesus Christ nor do I know if Hitler repented before his death, but I hope he did. If he didn't, I'm not confident he will be there along with the millions of people he murdered." Is this hatred or is this stating what the bible has already told us? Only those who accept Christ as their Savior can enter His kingdom.

If we tell a gay person that "homosexuality is a sin", most will have the same attitude that you have and say, "You hate gays!". That isn't true at all. We love the sinner (we are all sinners after all) but we rebuke and forsake the sin. If anything, not correcting them is more indicative of "hatred" than doing so out of love.
She gave good advice bro. You can respect that good advice, it would be honorable of you sir.
 
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Accused of hate even?

Okay, yes I am more done
Yeah, no one even remotely came close to saying they hated anyone. It's just a tactic I see many liberals use to bully people who have a different opinion from the one they are pushing. Don't worry about it UnderGrace.
She gave good advice bro. You can respect that good advice, it would be honorable of you sir.
Hrmm, her "advice" was actually a false accusation of hatred and a misrepresentation of several people here. I can respect her and disagree at the same time. One doesn't have to agree in order to respect.
 

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We are commanded to love the sinner but hate the sin. Your "humble and meek heart" mistake stating facts for "disrespecting" and "correction" with "hating". If someone said "Adolf Hitler is in Heaven, walking with God", I'd say, "I am not the Savior Jesus Christ nor do I know if Hitler repented before his death, but I hope he did. If he didn't, I'm not confident he will be there along with the millions of people he murdered." Is this hatred or is this stating what the bible has already told us? Only those who accept Christ as their Savior and enter His kingdom.
Redrum, you know much more about him than I, clearly. Probably most do. I am not proud of the little I know. I am trying to change that in the way that I am seeking to know my history and politics more. So, for me to argue his character or to agree with it would be very wrong. As I was writing my thoughts on the matter, in my previous comment, I was cognizant of this lack of knowledge so I wanted to make it clear that I am speaking with all humility, as how do I know if you are right or wrong...I don't.

But if he is going to hell, isn't that enough retribution and if he is going to heaven, He is our brother. Either way, I pray for those grieving, hoping and praying the Lord's revealing on all their hearts. I can understand that if Hitler's death was being acknowledged like this, it would be so offensive to all those he slaughtered. So your response gave me some more understanding as to why you are so offended by others paying their respects.
But come on, Mr. Bush was not a hitler kind of man. One more thing, there is one point you make that I do 100% agree with...

Only those who accept Christ as their Savior, enter His Kingdom.
 

preacher4truth

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Yeah, no one even remotely came close to saying they hated anyone. It's just a tactic I see many liberals use to bully people who have a different opinion from the one they are pushing. Don't worry about it UnderGrace.


Hrmm, her "advice" was actually a false accusation of hatred and a misrepresentation of several people here. I can respect her and disagree at the same time. One doesn't have to agree in order to respect.
I'm simply referring to her advice on taking it elsewhere bro, that is the advice I'm referring to.

Now if you want to be in a hissy fit over her using the word "hating" in reference to your behavior then you're just being a tad callow and appear butt hurt over it.
 

CharliRenee

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Yeah, no one even remotely came close to saying they hated anyone. It's just a tactic I see many liberals use to bully people who have a different opinion from the one they are pushing. Don't worry about it UnderGrace.


Hrmm, her "advice" was actually a false accusation of hatred and a misrepresentation of several people here. I can respect her and disagree at the same time. One doesn't have to agree in order to respect.
Fair enough response. Thank you for at least considering. Just because I perceive it to be hateful doesn't mean it is. < that is not sarcastic, just acknowledgement that my perceptions are not always right. Dang it, lol. God Bless you and yours.
 
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Redrum, you know much more about him than I, clearly. Probably most do. I am not proud of the little I know. I am trying to change that in the way that I am seeking to know my history and politics more. So, for me to argue his character or to agree with it would be very wrong. As I was writing my thoughts on the matter, in my previous comment, I was cognizant of this lack of knowledge so I wanted to make it clear that I am speaking with all humility, as how do I know if you are right or wrong...I don't.

But if he is going to hell, isn't that enough retribution and if he is going to heaven, He is our brother. Either way, I pray for those grieving, hoping and praying the Lord's revealing on all their hearts. I can understand that if Hitler's death was being acknowledged like this, it would be so offensive to all those he slaughtered. So your response gave me some more understanding as to why you are so offended by others paying their respects.
But come on, Mr. Bush was not a hitler kind of man. One more thing, there is one point you make that I do 100% agree with...

Only those who accept Christ as their Savior, enter His Kingdom.
I actually feel the humility in this post. I appreciate that and have much respect for you. I also lack a perfect knowledge of H W Bush. For all I know he did repent and is with our Father in Heaven. In fact, that is what I truly hope for with all sincerity. I've never doomed him or "hated" him to want him to spend an eternity in hell. I took exception to your word choice of "hatred" and "hating him" because that isn't what I (or anyone else to my knowledge) were doing.

I also appreciate you trying to look at it from my point of view, whether you agree with it or not. You responding to my substantive points helps create for a fruitful discussion. You're a blessing and example in this thread. Thank you. :)