Good Deed Does Not Go Unpunished: Pastor Arrested While Helping Neighbors

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HealthAndHappiness

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What possibly happened here?
I say possibly, because even juries must fill in blanks, but weigh evidence.
It sounds like from the white neighbor lady's testimony that she saw this preacher and did not recognize him at that distance. They knew each other since he mentioned getting something for her son's graduation, at least that's what it sounded like.
Perhaps she saw him enter the garage as he got the hose? We don't know, but I can understand that she was trying to be a good neighbor and called the police to check it out. It probably looked suspicious IF that was the context.

Police arrived and their context was a clean cut, well spoken man watering plants.
They didn't see him carrying anything from the house to a truck or anything in his demeanor that would lead a reasonable person to think that he was committing a crime. He explained what he was doing and they could have knocked on any door and asked a neighbor. Perhaps they could shed light on the situation or possibly not. Those going on vacation don't normally tell but trusted close friends that they are gone.

Once the lady who called was in the scene, they should have apologized to the gentleman and called it a day. Instead, the arrogant young cop escalated it by giving him the third degree and cuffing him. This is what is taught them in the academies. That doesn't excuse his behavior though. A wiser, less arrogant man would likely handle it differently. However, the other police that were with him were accomplices by not intervening. Most cover for each other, even when they see a wrong done by their partner.
The guy had a, "YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!" attitude.
That happens too much with police who let the uniform and power go to their heads.
Not all, but too many get a big head and used to adoration from weak men and silly women who fall for that. Present company excluded. The attitude is also a reflection of the immoral training that says that the police can intimidate and lie to get an arrest and lie on the stand under oath.

The preacher had a right to take offense to the accusation. He stood his ground bravely.
Could he have satisfied the cops demands for a state issued ID? Who knows.
(This is getting longer than I intended and have to do something. I'll complete the analysis of the preacher and what lessons can be learned later.)
 

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HealthAndHappiness

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Actually, the police were courteous. They'd been called by a person in that neighborhood about suspicious behavior. The police responded and asked for the Pastor's id and the Pastor refused. Here is a video clip of the entire incident. Judge for yourself: Alabama pastor who was arrested while watering neighbors’ garden speaks out l GMA - Bing video

When police receive a call for suspicious activity, they are expected to respond.
Are you talking about the gma Video of the newscast at the top?
 

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HealthAndHappiness

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Actually, the police were courteous. They'd been called by a person in that neighborhood about suspicious behavior. The police responded and asked for the Pastor's id and the Pastor refused. Here is a video clip of the entire incident. Judge for yourself: Alabama pastor who was arrested while watering neighbors’ garden speaks out l GMA - Bing video

When police receive a call for suspicious activity, they are expected to respond.
Exactly. You are right.

And you're going to take a lot of flak for it.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Exactly. You are right.

And you're going to take a lot of flak for it.
Did you watch the more complete video at the top of my OP?
It is 6:46 of body cam footage with no interruptions for commentary.
This would be the version available to the jury. You might want to take notes at 39 second mark.
 

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Did you watch the more complete video at the top of my OP?
It is 6:46 of body cam footage with no interruptions for commentary.
This would be the version available to the jury. You might want to take notes at 39 second mark.
What am I supposed to note at 39 seconds? He was belligerent and uncooperative and seemed to think being an undocumented pastor was a get out of jail free card. If he had taken 39 seconds to listen and comply the cops probably would have realized a mistake had been made and apologized and walked away.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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What am I supposed to note at 39 seconds? He was belligerent and uncooperative and seemed to think being an undocumented pastor was a get out of jail free card. If he had taken 39 seconds to listen and comply the cops probably would have realized a mistake had been made and apologized and walked away.
It was what the pastor said.
 

Dude653

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Okay here's a hot take. Someone calls the cops on you for no good reason, you get arrested or possibly you get a crazy cop who beats the crap out of you or something, the person who called the cops on you for no reason should share in the liability
 

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"Lock me up, I want you to!"
The truth behind the story.
Only criminals and commies would paint him as a victim.
 

Dude653

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"Lock me up, I want you to!"
The truth behind the story.
Only criminals and commies would paint him as a victim.
Don't cut yourself on all that edge over there... But anyway. If he had permission to be on the property then he had committed no crime