GOP Presidential Nomination

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I thought the interaction between trump and bush where bush sort of almost angrily gave him some skin down low..... was an interesting exchange. Did anyone else catch that? Trump sort of gave him this look of.....what the heck was that. Lol
 
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I thought the interaction between trump and bush where bush sort of almost angrily gave him some skin down low..... was an interesting exchange. Did anyone else catch that? Trump sort of gave him this look of.....what the heck was that. Lol
Lol I noticed that. If Bush gets nominated the Dems will have that one in an ad for sure.
 

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If Bush gets nominated, we're sunk for sure...the Dems will walk away with the presidency.
 
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If Bush gets nominated, we're sunk for sure...the Dems will walk away with the presidency.
Actually I think it be somewhat closer than people think, but yea, I think you'd be right on that.

Though that's the case if you nominate most the candidates anyways. Very few can beat Hillary, much less hold their own in a debate with her. Nobody wants Bush, and I certainly ain't voting for him, but he could go toe to toe with her I think. If Kasich can pull out of his slump he might be able to beat Hillary. Kasich can get the swing voters and disenfranchised dems to vote for him, he's done it before. Huckabee I also think would do well against Hillary in a debate, but sadly I don't think the public would vote for him. Rubio it is hard to say. If he did like with this debate Rubio could do well, but we have seen him choke before. We'll have to keep an eye on him.
 

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I don't respect Trump and anyone who does... needs to take a look at God

It's a shame and a disgrace to our country that a man like him is even up there. Again, take a look at God and then at Trump... really?
 
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I don't respect Trump and anyone who does... needs to take a look at God

It's a shame and a disgrace to our country that a man like him is even up there. Again, take a look at God and then at Trump... really?
If God wills it Trump may or may not be president. If it is all right with God to let Trump run for now, then let us watch him run for now. Trump has after all promised to be the greatest Christian president of USA if elected. This is the promise upon which Trump's whole campaign hinges.
 
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I don't respect Trump and anyone who does... needs to take a look at God

It's a shame and a disgrace to our country that a man like him is even up there. Again, take a look at God and then at Trump... really?
I don't disagree. Your post makes me wonder who you believe is the very best candidate?

I think Trump will turn and show his true colors, once elected. I do not have faith in his veracity.
 
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Mitspa

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I don't respect Trump and anyone who does... needs to take a look at God

It's a shame and a disgrace to our country that a man like him is even up there. Again, take a look at God and then at Trump... really?
this is silly...look at God and look at any man and that man is nothing
 
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Mitspa

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If Bush gets nominated, we're sunk for sure...the Dems will walk away with the presidency.
Bush and the other establishment republicans are just Democrats with a mask...nothing more
 

Calmador

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I don't disagree. Your post makes me wonder who you believe is the very best candidate?

I think Trump will turn and show his true colors, once elected. I do not have faith in his veracity.
I haven't chosen a candidate to truly back, but I'm clear on one thing... not Trump. He lacks self-control and respect.

We need someone that has a good head on his shoulders to make moral decisions and the political expertise to do that.
 
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Mitspa

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I haven't chosen a candidate to truly back, but I'm clear on one thing... not Trump. He lacks self-control and respect.

We need someone that has a good head on his shoulders to make moral decisions and the political expertise to do that.
we don't need "political expertise" that the last thing people want or need. Folks need somebody who is going to change the nonsense that has been going on, somebody with some backbone.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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... We need someone that has a good head on his shoulders to make moral decisions and the political expertise to do that.
People with "political expertise" is why we're in such a morass of conjoined nonsense in the first place.
 

Calmador

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this is silly...look at God and look at any man and that man is nothing
Look at God and look at David.... Look at God and look at Moses.... Look at God and look at a fellow Christian.... look at God and look at Trump.

It matters... Don't ignore he's clearly low character. We might all be nothing in comparison to God but that doesn't mean it's wise to elect a criminal straight out of prison. In a similar light, we shouldn't elect a disrespectful, low-life, who is out of control.

Admit it.. he's not someone we can trust to make morally good decisions.
 
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People with "political expertise" is why we're in such a morass of conjoined nonsense in the first place.
Amen....an expert is: Ex=has been............spert=drip with pressure behind it.
 
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Mitspa

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Look at God and look at David.... Look at God and look at Moses.... Look at God and look at a fellow Christian.... look at God and look at Trump.

It matters... Don't ignore he's clearly low character. We might all be nothing in comparison to God but that doesn't mean it's wise to elect a criminal straight out of prison. In a similar light, we shouldn't elect a disrespectful, low-life, who is out of control.

Admit it.. he's not someone we can trust to make morally good decisions.
David and Moses was great because God made them great...David committed adultery and murder ...as far as I know Trump has not been charged with any crime?
 
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nw2u

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Obama was a senator before he was president, right? So, Congress was ready and willing to make changes that were backed by the special interest groups, correct? Obama didn't know much about foreign affairs, but learned on the job, true?

That's why I think the president needs some backing and experience. However, if any man or woman becomes president, they can hire the best advisory team in the business to help. They better be wealthy enough to do it, or accept the same gifts the former presidents all have.

And, truthfully, that's where I see an issue. Who will not allow him/herself to be controlled once in office? I don't think there is anyone who can do it, but maybe some who will make things work.

So, how do you really feel about Rubio, simply because he has been a congressman for a while? Doesn't seem like a mainstream congressman's ideas coming out of his mouth.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Obama was a senator before he was president, right?
For about three minutes, yeah ...

So, Congress was ready and willing to make changes that were backed by the special interest groups, correct? Obama didn't know much about foreign affairs, but learned on the job, true?
I don't see any evidence he's learned a blessed thing.

That's why I think the president needs some backing and experience. However, if any man or woman becomes president, they can hire the best advisory team in the business to help. They better be wealthy enough to do it, or accept the same gifts the former presidents all have.
Cabinet secretaries salaries come from the federal budget, just like the salaries and operating expenses of their departments do.

And, truthfully, that's where I see an issue. Who will not allow him/herself to be controlled once in office?
Ronald Reagan, for one. Harry Truman for another -- though he'd be a Republican today.
 
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nw2u

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For about three minutes, yeah ...

I don't see any evidence he's learned a blessed thing.

Cabinet secretaries salaries come from the federal budget, just like the salaries and operating expenses of their departments do.

Ronald Reagan, for one. Harry Truman for another -- though he'd be a Republican today.
Thanks.


I think Obama learned, he just has such a different agenda than most presidents have had, it's shocking and it's detrimental to our nation. I think he has great skills at manipulating and ignoring/skirting/making us believe laws don't matter that pertain to the almighty barry, that he's gotten away with things. Plus, I believe he wasn't afraid to bite the hand that feeds him, knowing he will get what he wants or crush the country and all it's population and all it's friendly countries.

So, the only other thing I'm not sure about is Ronald Reagan. I remember some of the mistakes he made. He wasn't perfect. He had guts, though. I'm not sure how much he had to do with these, but they happened during his administration and left me with memories from the news. The Iran-Contra affair and the take down of the air traffic controllers strike and their union by firing all of them. That set up a domino effect that helped shut down many middle class jobs. Debt rose from just under a billion to almost three billion per year.

He did, through others, get real pressure put on the Soviet Union's economy and help hasten the fall of their doomed economy.

Yes, I think he was a good president. I'm just not sure he didn't set us on the path we are walking down today. He seemed weak on leadership when it came to our military strikes.

Here, you can look for yourself and judge.

Ronald Reagan - ProCon.org


After all these years, I feel like Bush Sr. leaves me with a more satisfied feeling than Reagan ever did. Apologies for any offences. I'm just stating what I think. I think we need someone completely different from Reagan. We need someone just like Barry, but with a different set of values. Then, we need to start cleaning up the government and removing things we don't need. Cutting fat and simplifying laws and regulations. I think we should get out of the national socialist business and out of the business of patronizing the electorate while every candidate really is going to be controlled to a great extent by those who are really in power. Maybe that's better left to the conspiracy area of CC?

I guess I don't have much confidence that any president has really run the country of, by and for the people, since the industrial revolution. Wow, that's cynical.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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I guess I don't have much confidence that any president has really run the country of, by and for the people, since the industrial revolution. Wow, that's cynical.
I agree with that completely. Probably not since John Adams.
 
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nw2u

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I agree with that completely. Probably not since John Adams.
When I say he helped lead us down the path we are on, think about this. The fall of good jobs that required little education beyond high school is good and bad. What we have become is a nation which now has a huge number of unemployed, a huge number of citizens which require some form of welfare while working, and an immense number of illegals who just come here to work and send the money home to their families.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want to see their families starve. I do wonder if the money they send home benefits our economy in any way. I imagine it does, but in indirect ways more than any other. Those who stay, but are not yet citizens do not contribute to the funds which pay for many of the programs under fire today.

On the other hand, small businesses started to boom under Bush Sr. and the end of Reagan's terms of office. More folks attended college and accrued greater debt.

Another issue I wonder about is what many here are bemoaning. It's the fall of our nations beliefs and laws based on Christianity. I imagine higher education was the place many fallen away Christians learned that belief in any religion was a belief in mythological principles. I think it's where they learned diversity and integration. As anything else, these are double edged swords in some cases, when we have the mindset that Christian values are the only ones worth fighting to keep.

In the end, I think Reagan set into motion, much more than we thought at the time. Do you think those are reasonable assumptions?