Healthcare in America

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Billyd

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Woman dies after being forcibly removed from hospital

I thank God for my doctors, and the hospitals that have cared for me. I have heard these stories, and read about stories like the one above, but thank God I have only experienced the best care possible.

I live in the panhandle of Florida, and there are many small hospitals like the one in the above article. They support communities where a large portion of the population qualify for Medicaid, and Florida's refusal to expand the program has resulted in the reduction of the money that has supported these hospitals. This reduction has actually resulted in the closure of some of these hospitals, and reduction of hospital direct care staff. The inability to pay competitive salaries doesn't allow them attract even average direct care candidates.

We live in one of the most prosperous countries in the world, yet we seem to be unable to provide quality health care. When attempts are made to do so, we see the most divided country in the world. My friends and fellow Christians, it is time to step up to the plate, bite the bullet, and provide universal healthcare. We have spent enough providing the security for countries that have taken their savings and provided universal healthcare to pay for our own security, and provide universal healthcare for our country.
 
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Billyd said:
Woman dies after being forcibly removed from hospital

I thank God for my doctors, and the hospitals that have cared for me. I have heard these stories, and read about stories like the one above, but thank God I have only experienced the best care possible.

I live in the panhandle of Florida, and there are many small hospitals like the one in the above article. They support communities where a large portion of the population qualify for Medicaid, and Florida's refusal to expand the program has resulted in the reduction of the money that has supported these hospitals. This reduction has actually resulted in the closure of some of these hospitals, and reduction of hospital direct care staff. The inability to pay competitive salaries doesn't allow them attract even average direct care candidates.

We live in one of the most prosperous countries in the world, yet we seem to be unable to provide quality health care. When attempts are made to do so, we see the most divided country in the world. My friends and fellow Christians, it is time to step up to the plate, bite the bullet, and provide universal healthcare. We have spent enough providing the security for countries that have taken their savings and provided universal healthcare to pay for our own security, and provide universal healthcare for our country.
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A lot of this you detailed in the second paragraph is partly why I stood strong in supporting Kasich's expansion of Medicaid/Medicare in Ohio despite that being one of the biggest complaints/attacks against him. I'm not really big on universal healthcare or even modern medicine, but I do think something ought be done to care for our poor, and I do believe we as a country have the means to do it. It is as you hint in the third paragraph, it just makes no sense to me that a nation that is supposedly the wealthiest in all of history cannot even take care of very base needs for its people.
 
wisebeardman

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want affordable healthcare, go after big pharma and the insurance scammers.
 
Dude653

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My pastors wife almost died after being sent home from the emergency room with diabetic issues. They sent him a large bill, which he refused to pay.

I'll spare you the gory details but I recently went to the E R with severe intestinal distress. They kept me there for 3 hours, gave me an antibiotic and sent me a bill for 1100 bucks
 
eternallife7

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Once I had to go to the er in an ambulance and they sent me a bill for 2000 bucks. Next time I'm just going to rent a limo and save some cash.
 
Dude653

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And they keep you waiting for hours, even when they are not that busy...I assume they are riding the clock to pad the bill
 
eternallife7

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Dude653 said:
And they keep you waiting for hours, even when they are not that busy...I assume they are riding the clock to pad the bill
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One time when I was as sinner I got jumped in my neighborhood and I guess someone called an ambulance and as I was walking home the ambulance told me they were going to take me to the er to get checked out. Normally you have to wait up front in the waiting room, but I guess since I was bleeding from my head that sent me to the back right away. They gave me a towel and when they found out I didn't have insurance I never saw anyone again. I kept waiting and finally I realized that no one was going to help me so I walked home. I lived real close to the hospital at that time.
 
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eternallife7

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Hey but there are two sides of the coin. I have seen many medical professionals go beyond what is required​!
 
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"When I was a sinner?" You have not sinned since? I assume you have been saved. From what I understand, once someone is saved, they never sin again? Or is it that if they do sin, it doesn't matter because they've been saved?
 
eternallife7

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Matt210 said:
"When I was a sinner?" You have not sinned since? I assume you have been saved. From what I understand, once someone is saved, they never sin again? Or is it that if they do sin, it doesn't matter because they've been saved?
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I guess I should have just said before I began to walk with Christ.
 
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Dude653 said:
And they keep you waiting for hours, even when they are not that busy...I assume they are riding the clock to pad the bill
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Many patients seen in the emergency department have labs drawn. It often takes 90-120 minutes to have the labs returned. In the interim, physicians are treating other patients and writing reports on them. If the Emergency Department is busy then the staff must triage the patients which always puts the needs of the most serious patients ahead of the less serious patients. Finally, after triaging, seeing other patients, writing reports on them, then looking at your labs, the physician is able to see you and discuss the findings. This is what takes so long.

Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe Black folks have to wait longer simply because they're Black, and that's what hospital staff want, an emergency department filled with angry, Black malcontents.
 
Dude653

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Many patients seen in the emergency department have labs drawn. It often takes 90-120 minutes to have the labs returned. In the interim, physicians are treating other patients and writing reports on them. If the Emergency Department is busy then the staff must triage the patients which always puts the needs of the most serious patients ahead of the less serious patients. Finally, after triaging, seeing other patients, writing reports on them, then looking at your labs, the physician is able to see you and discuss the findings. This is what takes so long.

Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe Black folks have to wait longer simply because they're Black, and that's what hospital staff want, an emergency department filled with angry, Black malcontents.
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That was lame....you need to sharpen your trolling skills
 
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That was lame....you need to sharpen your trolling skills
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Lame? I've been working in the medical field for 30 years. I'm spot on accurate with my post.

Decipher every part of my post and share with the world what's lame about it.
 
Dude653

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Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe Black folks have to wait longer simply because they're Black, and that's what hospital staff want, an emergency department filled with angry, Black malcontents.[/QUOTE]

THAT was lame. you make a comment about racial harmony on one post and then say some stupid junk like this on another post
 
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Utah

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THAT was lame. you make a comment about racial harmony on one post and then say some stupid junk like this on another post
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Bringing to light that you enjoy stirring the pot is why I posted that stupidity. I was echoing yours.
 
Angela53510

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In 2013 my husband and I wre driving home from California when I became very ill with either food poisoning or a flu bug. I made him take a hotel in Idaho, but I was so sick I became severely dehydrated. We found the brand new hospital, without a single patient in the ER waiting room. They took me in right away, gave me 3 liters of fluid, and several different kinds of anti nausea drugs. I left feeling better after a 2 hour stay. I was shocked to get a bill for $3000 plus another $550 for the physician fee. Fortunately, my husband had a work supplemental policy in addition to Alberta Health care, and they negotiated the price down and paid the bill. I kept getting letters from the hospital telling me I owed the money and I would phone them and give them my insurance number and the extended health care company's phone number. I had to wonder what Americans do who do not have a company to intervene, and how often they did that to people. It took a year from the ER visit before they finally stopped harassing me.

The next day it was my husband's turn to be sick. I drove through a huge snow storm in the mountains of Montana to get
back to Canada and free universal health care. He didn't get the fancy hotel type room I had in Idaho, but he was treated promptly with IV fluids and ant-nausea meds. Cost to us? $0. That included the monthly Alberta Health Care insurance payments of $0.

It was pretty obvious to both of us that the "for profit" model of American Health Care does not work. In Canada, doctors, nurses and staff are paid good wages. The upkeep on hospitals and building new hospitals is paid for by AHS in combo with the Alberta government, or as is now our case, the BC government. All the provinces except BC have no premiums. We pay $100 a month here, plus my husband's retirement plan which covers things like medications, ambulances, physiotherapy etc., is $85 a month. I pay for that with my first one or two of my 18 medications I am on.

In Canada, universal health care is our most valued government expense. It is not socialism, because we are glad that everyone is covered, and no one can be denied health care. I also have never understood how as great a country as the United States fails to look after it's own people, especially in the middle class. My DIL lived several years without health care, once she turned 25 and was taken off her parents insurance. She could not afford $600 a month for insurance, and had terrible issues with not being able to get treatment for severe migraines. She finally got on my son's insurance. Of course, now that they have both moved back to Canada permanently, her gambling with health insurance is over.

I have a right wing conservative American friend. She proudly told me how her oldest son had made the personal "choice" to go without health insurance because he could not afford it. That is not a choice, but gambling in the extreme. All it takes is someone hitting you with their car while you are walking down the sidewalk to possibly bankrupt you! American health care is overpriced and patchwork, with too many people falling through the cracks, as the OP so rightly points out!
 
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Dude653

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Utah said:
Bringing to light that you enjoy stirring the pot is why I posted that stupidity. I was echoing yours.
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Thanks for showing me your true colors tho
 
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