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SophieT

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Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven Matthew 5 1-3
Just one more thing, how do you believe the above quote from Matthew gives credence to your post?

Pardon me, but words are words. I like to get behind the words if I can and understand how people think
 

Dude653

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Trump is absolutely liable here and that's why he's been kicked off and literally every social media platform
What do you think is going to happen when an aspiring dictator convinces his followers that the election was stolen from them he in fact legitimately lost
 

Nehemiah6

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Trump is absolutely liable here and that's why he's been kicked off and literally every social media platform. What do you think is going to happen when an aspiring dictator convinces his followers that the election was stolen from them he in fact legitimately lost
At the very least, Christians should not be spreading LIES AND PROPAGANDA. The election was undoubtedly stolen, and there is truckloads of evidence to confirm that. And to prove that it was stolen the state of Texas PLUS 18 other states filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court to say exactly that. But the treasonous Supreme Court refused to examine the evidence and dismissed the suit on the flimsiest of grounds. Indeed on no grounds, since the Constitution guaranteed the states the right to free and fair elections.

As to why Trump was canceled from all the social media, anyone with an ounce of knowledge of the illegal shenanigans of the Big Tech giants and networks would know that they have been blatantly and illegally censoring free speech when it does not suit their Leftist narrative.

To call Trump an "aspiring dictator" is TOTAL BALONEY. It is a shame that he did not become a real dictator, so that all the traitors and seditionists would have already been locked up. Trump should have been utterly ruthless with those who broke the laws of the United States by committing high crimes and misdemeanors, and had them arrested and prosecuted. When Nancy Pelosi publicly tore up the State of the Union Speech, that was a felony. Trump should have had her immediately arrested and charged. And because he failed to do so, she has malevolently started bogus impeachment proceedings against him twice. Her hatred for Trump and Americans is quite evident.

So Dude653, we can only conclude one of two things: (a) either you are woefully ignorant about the true state of affairs, (b) or you have committed yourself to supporting the enemies of America and Trump as a Leftist.
 

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At the very least, Christians should not be spreading LIES AND PROPAGANDA. The election was undoubtedly stolen, and there is truckloads of evidence to confirm that. And to prove that it was stolen the state of Texas PLUS 18 other states filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court to say exactly that. But the treasonous Supreme Court refused to examine the evidence and dismissed the suit on the flimsiest of grounds. Indeed on no grounds, since the Constitution guaranteed the states the right to free and fair elections.

As to why Trump was canceled from all the social media, anyone with an ounce of knowledge of the illegal shenanigans of the Big Tech giants and networks would know that they have been blatantly and illegally censoring free speech when it does not suit their Leftist narrative.

To call Trump an "aspiring dictator" is TOTAL BALONEY. It is a shame that he did not become a real dictator, so that all the traitors and seditionists would have already been locked up. Trump should have been utterly ruthless with those who broke the laws of the United States by committing high crimes and misdemeanors, and had them arrested and prosecuted. When Nancy Pelosi publicly tore up the State of the Union Speech, that was a felony. Trump should have had her immediately arrested and charged. And because he failed to do so, she has malevolently started bogus impeachment proceedings against him twice. Her hatred for Trump and Americans is quite evident.

So Dude653, we can only conclude one of two things: (a) either you are woefully ignorant about the true state of affairs, (b) or you have committed yourself to supporting the enemies of America and Trump as a Leftist.
No laws have been broken by the media companies
They can filter content at their own discretion
Any company reserve the right to protect themselves from liability
imagine I went into Walmart trying to encourage customers to take over Walmart and then have the audacity to ask shock when Walmart tells me I'm not allowed back on the property
 

Dude653

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Also Trump is literally trying to stage a coup and undermine our democracy. That's exactly what an inspiring dictator does
 

Nehemiah6

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How many here have changed their opinion of Trump due to the events of this morning (Wednesday) at the US Capitol? ?
Anyone who wants the truth should actually read the transcript of Donald Trumps address on January 6 to the huge crowds which gathered to ensure that traitor Mike Pence would do the right thing. This was critical for the survival of the constitutional republic.

There is absolutely nothing in his address that even hints are storming the capitol. He plainly said that he would walk with his supporters to the capitol in order to encourage those feckless politicians to do the right thing. So the false accusations against Trump are just that -- TRUMPED UP LIES so that the evil Democrats can remove him from office in the time he has left.

There is also sufficient evidence to show that Antifa and BLM were present within the capitol and that the police acted improperly. It was a set-up so that the world's attention would be directed at a handful of agitators while the real issue of election fraud was dismissed. And Mike Pence failed to do his constitutional duty so that an illegal president will now destroy America.
 

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Also Trump is literally trying to stage a coup and undermine our democracy. That's exactly what an inspiring dictator does
Completely diluted nonsence.

Your perception is propaganda from cnn.
 

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Looks like trump will get a second term.

Which he won the election by a huge margin.
 

rastai

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There is literally no actual evidence of vote fraud in favor of Biden. None. Its all lies and wicked propaganda. Trump lost hugely and that is what is called a fact. If trump were to remain president after January 20 it would be a total infringement on the rights of the people. It would put the executive in full control over the congress and the courts, a clear repudiation of the basic tenets of the constitution. The constitution never says the will of the courts and congress shall be overturned if the executive feels cheated. No one said trump was a dictator but he is aspiring to be one and everyone who supports him to remain in power for a second term is supporting fascism, whether knowingly or not.
 

HillsboroMom

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but neo-nazism is also leftist.
You're making the common mistake of confusing / conflating economic political views with social political views.

On one had, you have economic policy. The more centrally one wants the economy to be run, the further left one is in that respect. Communism is extreme left -- the state runs the economy. On the extreme right, economically, you want to keep the government out of all economic decisions.

But then there's the social policy. That has to do with other laws -- how much control the government should have over, well, basically everything else. The two poles of that spectrum are AUTHORITARIAN and LIBERTARIAN.

The original Nazis (under Hitler) were extreme Socialists, but neo-Nazis do not favor a national bank. They are right-leaning economically. Both are extremely authoritarian socially.

US Democrats are further from Nazis than US Republicans are. Democrats are left of Republicans on the economic scale, but way further away on the social scale.

If you're not familiar with the political quadrant, the economic scale is the x-axis (with "left" and "right" being as you'd expect), and the social scale is the y-axis, with "authoritarian" being the top and "libertarian" being the bottom. Nazis are way up at the top, sometimes to the left or right depending on the era. Hitler was slightly to the left of center, neo-Nazis are to the right fairly far. But both are WAYYY up at the top.

US Democrats, according to their party platform, are just a hair to the left of the y-axis. Some Democrats in leadership (Warren, AOC) are further left, some (Biden, Harris) are further right. As a party, they are just below the x-axis, across the board.

US Republicans, according to their party platform, are pretty significantly to the right (though not extreme), and above the x-axis.

Trump is extreme to the right, and to the top. Very close to Nazism.
 

Runningman

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You're making the common mistake of confusing / conflating economic political views with social political views.

On one had, you have economic policy. The more centrally one wants the economy to be run, the further left one is in that respect. Communism is extreme left -- the state runs the economy. On the extreme right, economically, you want to keep the government out of all economic decisions.

But then there's the social policy. That has to do with other laws -- how much control the government should have over, well, basically everything else. The two poles of that spectrum are AUTHORITARIAN and LIBERTARIAN.

The original Nazis (under Hitler) were extreme Socialists, but neo-Nazis do not favor a national bank. They are right-leaning economically. Both are extremely authoritarian socially.

US Democrats are further from Nazis than US Republicans are. Democrats are left of Republicans on the economic scale, but way further away on the social scale.

If you're not familiar with the political quadrant, the economic scale is the x-axis (with "left" and "right" being as you'd expect), and the social scale is the y-axis, with "authoritarian" being the top and "libertarian" being the bottom. Nazis are way up at the top, sometimes to the left or right depending on the era. Hitler was slightly to the left of center, neo-Nazis are to the right fairly far. But both are WAYYY up at the top.

US Democrats, according to their party platform, are just a hair to the left of the y-axis. Some Democrats in leadership (Warren, AOC) are further left, some (Biden, Harris) are further right. As a party, they are just below the x-axis, across the board.

US Republicans, according to their party platform, are pretty significantly to the right (though not extreme), and above the x-axis.

Trump is extreme to the right, and to the top. Very close to Nazism.
We're talking about how extremist ideologies relate to American politics specifically.

In American politics, Republicans are right wing and champion limited forms of government and individual liberties meaning that the further right you go on the American political spectrum you actually arrive at anarchy.

What you're trying to say is that the further right you go on the American political spectrum the more governmental rule increases until it's to the point of fascism which is inconsistent with history, political science, and logic.

Your conclusion is a very common misconception, especially in the West where the media tells you how to identify political parties. Even a moment of clarity results in no other conclusion than Nazism and neo-nazism are leftist ideologies characterized by more governmental oversight and fewer individual liberties, much much further left of anarchy.

This can be simply illustrated by where the most government oversight is required in the US: the cities.

Taken from the NY Times, this is a 2016 political map of the US. The blue corresponds to Democrat strongholds and corresponds to population centers. The red corresponds to Republican territory with fewer people where less government oversight is required.


Again, right wing extremism is anarchy. Left wing extremism includes Nazism. Don't listen to what the media says. They are misinforming everyone.
 

SophieT

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Trump is extreme to the right, and to the top. Very close to Nazism.
I'm wondering. Does the tooth fairy give out dollars for molars? :unsure:

I am sure you will not even get a penny for these thoughts :whistle:
 

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What you're trying to say is that the further right you go on the American political spectrum the more governmental rule increases until it's to the point of fascism which is inconsistent with history, political science, and logic.
I'm sorry, no, that's almost the exact opposite of what I was trying to say. I apologize that I was not more clear. Let me try again.

Again, there are two poles, one economic, and one social.

On the economic pole, the further one goes to the right, the LESS government intervention there is. So in that we agree.

And yes, Republicans in the US tend to be to the RIGHT, on that pole, wanting LESS government control over economics, and Democrats tend to be more to the left, wanting MORE government control. Although in the US, the Democrats are far from "leftist." More on that later.

But your discussion completely ignores the other axis, or pole. On the social pole, it is up and down, not left or right. The further UP you go, the more government control there is. The further DOWN you go, the less.

I don't know how to imbed pictures, so let me try to draw something with keyboard characters:

A | B
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______|___F__
E
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C | D

If that is showing up correctly, then letter A represents communism: extreme authoritarian rule and extreme government-controlled economics. Letter B represents Neo-Nazis: authoritarian rule combined with free-trade economics. Letter C is Socialism: Extreme left (government control) economically, and extremely liberal (minimal government control) socially. Letter D is Libertarianism: Extreme right economically and extreme liberal social rule.

Letter E is where the US Democratic Party is currently, according to its policies: centrist economically, with some government control but still unapologetically capitalist (that means they're smack dab in the middle of the left-right divide), and socially more libertarian than authoritarian (that means they're slightly below the middle on that divide). Keep in mind, this is the party, according to its policy. There are Democrats who are left, right, above, and below this, but this is where their party platform lands them.

Letter F represents where the US Republicans are, as a party. Fiscally more conservative (not as far right as B or D, but solidly on the "right" side, economically). As you say, they want less government control there. Socially, they're pretty much smack dab in the middle, as centrist socially as the Dems are economically. In some things the Republicans want MORE laws -- i.e. abortion, immigration, etc. -- but in others they want fewer -- i.e. guns, social justice, etc. So again, their platform policy lands them here. (Not drawn to scale.)

The problem comes when we try to think of everything as black or white. The Democrats and Republicans are actually very close together on so many policies. They agree on so many policies, and disagree with a majority of Americans on more than a few issues. The American 2-party system forces people into one of two parties that really don't represent anywhere near the diversity of beliefs we share. It's time for that to end, IMHO. More than any single political figure, the party system is to blame for a lot of the divisions we are experiencing today.
 

HillsboroMom

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Ugh. That didn't work at all. Sorry. Try googling "political compass." That should help.
 

Runningman

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I'm sorry, no, that's almost the exact opposite of what I was trying to say. I apologize that I was not more clear. Let me try again.

Again, there are two poles, one economic, and one social.

On the economic pole, the further one goes to the right, the LESS government intervention there is. So in that we agree.

And yes, Republicans in the US tend to be to the RIGHT, on that pole, wanting LESS government control over economics, and Democrats tend to be more to the left, wanting MORE government control. Although in the US, the Democrats are far from "leftist." More on that later.

But your discussion completely ignores the other axis, or pole. On the social pole, it is up and down, not left or right. The further UP you go, the more government control there is. The further DOWN you go, the less.

I don't know how to imbed pictures, so let me try to draw something with keyboard characters:

A | B
|
______|___F__
E
|
C | D

If that is showing up correctly, then letter A represents communism: extreme authoritarian rule and extreme government-controlled economics. Letter B represents Neo-Nazis: authoritarian rule combined with free-trade economics. Letter C is Socialism: Extreme left (government control) economically, and extremely liberal (minimal government control) socially. Letter D is Libertarianism: Extreme right economically and extreme liberal social rule.

Letter E is where the US Democratic Party is currently, according to its policies: centrist economically, with some government control but still unapologetically capitalist (that means they're smack dab in the middle of the left-right divide), and socially more libertarian than authoritarian (that means they're slightly below the middle on that divide). Keep in mind, this is the party, according to its policy. There are Democrats who are left, right, above, and below this, but this is where their party platform lands them.

Letter F represents where the US Republicans are, as a party. Fiscally more conservative (not as far right as B or D, but solidly on the "right" side, economically). As you say, they want less government control there. Socially, they're pretty much smack dab in the middle, as centrist socially as the Dems are economically. In some things the Republicans want MORE laws -- i.e. abortion, immigration, etc. -- but in others they want fewer -- i.e. guns, social justice, etc. So again, their platform policy lands them here. (Not drawn to scale.)

The problem comes when we try to think of everything as black or white. The Democrats and Republicans are actually very close together on so many policies. They agree on so many policies, and disagree with a majority of Americans on more than a few issues. The American 2-party system forces people into one of two parties that really don't represent anywhere near the diversity of beliefs we share. It's time for that to end, IMHO. More than any single political figure, the party system is to blame for a lot of the divisions we are experiencing today.

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I understand what you're trying to say and my point is that I'm disagreeing with you. Your definitions are completely inaccurate and your sources are skewed to malign right wing American politics. It's essentially propaganda.

Case in point, you placed Trump very close to Nazism. That just shreds your credibility because it's categorically false.
 

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Ugh. That didn't work at all. Sorry. Try googling "political compass." That should help.
Just take a peek please.

You will never take up the biden mantle again.

Just a peek.
 

Absolutely

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We're talking about how extremist ideologies relate to American politics specifically.

In American politics, Republicans are right wing and champion limited forms of government and individual liberties meaning that the further right you go on the American political spectrum you actually arrive at anarchy.

What you're trying to say is that the further right you go on the American political spectrum the more governmental rule increases until it's to the point of fascism which is inconsistent with history, political science, and logic.

Your conclusion is a very common misconception, especially in the West where the media tells you how to identify political parties. Even a moment of clarity results in no other conclusion than Nazism and neo-nazism are leftist ideologies characterized by more governmental oversight and fewer individual liberties, much much further left of anarchy.

This can be simply illustrated by where the most government oversight is required in the US: the cities.

Taken from the NY Times, this is a 2016 political map of the US. The blue corresponds to Democrat strongholds and corresponds to population centers. The red corresponds to Republican territory with fewer people where less government oversight is required.


Again, right wing extremism is anarchy. Left wing extremism includes Nazism. Don't listen to what the media says. They are misinforming everyone.
Almost all news outlets are compromised.

People are so decieved and think they are getting 100% truth.

People like Hillsborough are so pickled in deception that truth litterally bounces off.

Then they declare propaganda as truth while saying we are nazis and liars.

It is scary and cultish.

They need reprogramming like those saved from cults.

The founders preached one thing basically.

Governments are corrupt and only as good as those elected.

The constitution is a WEAPON AGAINST GOVERNMENT.

A WEAPON.

IT IS AGAINST GOVERNMENT.

(Not shouting...caps for emphasis)
 

HillsboroMom

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I understand what you're trying to say and my point is that I'm disagreeing with you. Your definitions are completely inaccurate and your sources are skewed to malign right wing American politics. It's essentially propaganda.

Case in point, you placed Trump very close to Nazism. That just shreds your credibility because it's categorically false.
It's not my opinion. It's accepted political science.

If you want to disagree with the accepted political definitions, you're welcome to do so. You can say that 2+2=5, and that grass is purple and the sky is pink. I say 2+2=4 and that grass is green and the sky is blue. If you think I'm wrong because of it, that's your problem, not mine.
 
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