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HillsboroMom

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Just take a peek please.

You will never take up the biden mantle again.

Just a peek.
I don't know what makes you think I have "taken up the Biden mantle" to begin with.

I am not a Democrat. I do not like Mr. Biden. I have had problems with him since long before he was Veep under Obama. (I had problems with Obama, too.) I have been following politics probably longer than you've been alive.

As a choice between him and Trump, I chose the lesser evil. Yes, it was still evil. Many, many Republicans agree with me, which is why Biden won, fair and square. We're not thrilled with a Biden administration, but it's better than the alternative. We HAD to get rid of Trump, and he continues to prove why.

The fact that there are so many "Republicans" who STILL don't get it is what's wrong with this country. The Republican Party used to stand for decency. I don't know when that changed, but the party that rightly held Bill Clinton's feet to the fire has NO leg to stand on today. It disgusts me to the core.
 

CS1

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... but I'm going to ask anyway:

How many here have changed their opinion of Trump due to the events of this morning (Wednesday) at the US Capitol? Or maybe you still prefer him to Biden, but you agree he maybe went too far?

I think the events at the US Capital were done by a few who do not represent all 74 million Trump voters. The POTUS said to Protest Peacefully. Their ( media, RINO, and democrats) selective outrage is laughable and hypocritical too. They supported the summer protest of the democrat's groups like BLM & ANTIFA.

And let just remind those liberal Christians and left what they did and no outrage.

  1. took over the city of Seattle burn down the police station and murdered people
  2. burned up Portland Oregon and destroyed and shot people
  3. violated every required COVID-19 restrictions everyone else was enforced to do Churches' small businesses.
  4. state after state violence 314 Polices officers died in 2020 in the Line of Duty
That did not matter until those voting for a fraud POTUS and those RINO's and democrats felt threaten for a few hours. Oh my.

They caused this hate the democrats did and GOP RINO's. They called us deplorable, ill-redeemable, racist, homophobe, white supreme. I'm Mexican American 17 % voted in the Black community for Trump. Biden has been racist and promoted laws that placed more people of color in prison. In CA where K. Harris is she lied and cheated to keep blacks in jail for lower crimes that she now laughs about doing. The GOP are wimps and weak cowards. God is our only hope and both DNC and GOP are worthless
 

Absolutely

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I don't know what makes you think I have "taken up the Biden mantle" to begin with.

I am not a Democrat. I do not like Mr. Biden. I have had problems with him since long before he was Veep under Obama. (I had problems with Obama, too.) I have been following politics probably longer than you've been alive.

As a choice between him and Trump, I chose the lesser evil. Yes, it was still evil. Many, many Republicans agree with me, which is why Biden won, fair and square. We're not thrilled with a Biden administration, but it's better than the alternative. We HAD to get rid of Trump, and he continues to prove why.

The fact that there are so many "Republicans" who STILL don't get it is what's wrong with this country. The Republican Party used to stand for decency. I don't know when that changed, but the party that rightly held Bill Clinton's feet to the fire has NO leg to stand on today. It disgusts me to the core.
woah

you are a radical left wing.

we all have to live with our bad decisions.

sad.
 

HillsboroMom

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woah

you are a radical left wing.

we all have to live with our bad decisions.

sad.
What evidence do you have that I am a "radical left wing"?

What "bad decisions" do you think I have made?

Yeah, judging someone without knowing them is very sad. It's also a sin.
 

HillsboroMom

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I think the events at the US Capital were done by a few who do not represent all 74 million Trump voters.
I hope you're right. For the sake of the country.

...And let just remind those liberal Christians and left what they did and no outrage.
Just to remind YOU, a lot of liberals (Christian and otherwise) WERE outraged.

I am in a suburb of Portland. Let me tell you what some of the media outlets didn't.

At the beginning, it was a very peaceful protest. There was minimal property damage -- just graffiti, mostly in chalk that would spray off with water. They didn't even use paint for graffiti. They didn't smash windows. They didn't light fires. For over a month, the protests were very peaceful.

They didn't turn ugly until the federal police were released. When the federal police showed up, ***the police*** threw smoke bombs that started most of the dumpster fires.

It also had a polarizing effect on the protesters. Most of the protesters just went home. But a few kept protesting, and ramped their violence up to match the police. The majority of former protesters did NOT support the new direction the protests were taking. Because it wasn't a protest any more, it was a riot. Antifa was still in it, but BLM told their people to stay home, and wanted nothing to do with it. Almost all the other groups also just stopped.

That's when national news started showing pictures and stuff. But that didn't start until months in.

God is our only hope and both DNC and GOP are worthless
I am 100% in agreement with you here.
 

Runningman

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It's not my opinion. It's accepted political science.

If you want to disagree with the accepted political definitions, you're welcome to do so. You can say that 2+2=5, and that grass is purple and the sky is pink. I say 2+2=4 and that grass is green and the sky is blue. If you think I'm wrong because of it, that's your problem, not mine.
What you just attempted to use on me was an informal fallacy known as a straw man. You attempted to discredit me by talking about unrelated and nonsensical points without actually forming a rebuttal against my original statements.

I think this just exposes the error in your understanding of politics. In debates, the truth eventually comes out when assertions do not stand to reason. The fatal error in your argument was you attempted to align Trump with Nazism which is either genuine and sincere ignorance or an attempt to demonize the opposition.

This is consistent with the theme that you're getting your talking points from left wing propaganda. They don't follow established definitions.
 

SophieT

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What evidence do you have that I am a "radical left wing"?

What "bad decisions" do you think I have made?

Yeah, judging someone without knowing them is very sad. It's also a sin.
Oh, sinnerman, where you gonna run to?
Sinnerman where you gonna run to?
Where you gonna run to?

love the religious speak. Even Biden will mumble something about religion when he thinks it will put ill informed people in his camp.

Such a good Catholic he is. Which is why he has all the abortionists in his camp
 

CS1

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I hope you're right. For the sake of the country.



Just to remind YOU, a lot of liberals (Christian and otherwise) WERE outraged.

I am in a suburb of Portland. Let me tell you what some of the media outlets didn't.

At the beginning, it was a very peaceful protest. There was minimal property damage -- just graffiti, mostly in chalk that would spray off with water. They didn't even use paint for graffiti. They didn't smash windows. They didn't light fires. For over a month, the protests were very peaceful.

They didn't turn ugly until the federal police were released. When the federal police showed up, ***the police*** threw smoke bombs that started most of the dumpster fires.

It also had a polarizing effect on the protesters. Most of the protesters just went home. But a few kept protesting, and ramped their violence up to match the police. The majority of former protesters did NOT support the new direction the protests were taking. Because it wasn't a protest any more, it was a riot. Antifa was still in it, but BLM told their people to stay home, and wanted nothing to do with it. Almost all the other groups also just stopped.

That's when national news started showing pictures and stuff. But that didn't start until months in.



I am 100% in agreement with you here.
I have family in Oregon and I know very well some were peaceful yet they all were in violation of COVID-19 restrictions. The Mayor of Portland was and is an idiot. He did nothing to stop what happened there. "Liberal Christianity" is pretty much a pseudo-Christianity.

They support gay marriage, abortion, unitarianism, and socialism. I lived in Oregon and Washington I am very much in knowledge and it was not the media who provided it. ANTIFA Had been infiltrating BLM for months the BLM leadership did not speak on that properly. Many in the BLM movement were and are from Acorn as is ANTIFA. they are known as anarchists. Many good young people of BLM had their message highjacked and the liberal media helped it.
 

rastai

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To call trump a fascist and compare him to Hitler is in my opinion very accurate. Anyone who is familiar with fascism and watches him speak can draw the correlation. From before he got elected I feared he would be try to be an authoritarian dictator and time has proved that to be true. He laid out his playbook in 2016 how if he lost it could only be fraud. When he lost primaries he declared them to be fraud. He vilified opponents. Calls the media the enemy of the people which is straight from Hitlers playbook. And for background his father was a kkk member and according to his ex wife he kept a copy of mein kampf by his bedside. He is and has been a fascist for a long while now.
 

CS1

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To call trump a fascist and compare him to Hitler is in my opinion very accurate. Anyone who is familiar with fascism and watches him speak can draw the correlation. From before he got elected I feared he would be try to be an authoritarian dictator and time has proved that to be true. He laid out his playbook in 2016 how if he lost it could only be fraud. When he lost primaries he declared them to be fraud. He vilified opponents. Calls the media the enemy of the people which is straight from Hitlers playbook. And for background his father was a kkk member and according to his ex wife he kept a copy of mein kampf by his bedside. He is and has been a fascist for a long while now.

Then you know nothing of Hiter or fascism. Your assertion has not been proven true. Trump's dad was not KKK member lol. But the Democrats were founded and built on it. To this day they have the very same policies created to destroy the black communities. what you are saying is nothing but regurgitated talking points and conspiracy theorists of the left snowflakes and liberal democrats.

And there was a time when REV. Jessie Jackson, and REV. Al Charlatan agreed with Trump and received help from him. you are most ill-informed
 
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... but I'm going to ask anyway:

How many here have changed their opinion of Trump due to the events of this morning (Wednesday) at the US Capitol? Or maybe you still prefer him to Biden, but you agree he maybe went too far?
It's all. A dog and pony show. No need to get too excited.
 

rastai

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Then you know nothing of Hiter or fascism. Your assertion has not been proven true. Trump's dad was not KKK member lol. But the Democrats were founded and built on it. To this day they have the very same policies created to destroy the black communities. what you are saying is nothing but regurgitated talking points and conspiracy theorists of the left snowflakes and liberal democrats.

And there was a time when REV. Jessie Jackson, and REV. Al Charlatan agreed with Trump and received help from him. you are most ill-informed
His dad was arrested at a KKK rally. Take that for what you will. Do you think maybe trump has been lying to you the whole time. The revs agreed with trump on what. Certainly not on his current fascist agenda. Do you realize he has been lying to you when he says, the only way I lose is if their is fraud. This whole election fraud claim has been one big lie with the desired outcome an authoritarian fascist state. He is setting you up and playing with your mind. How about the fact that he refused to send in national guard right away and waited and waited until long after the mayhem started to send a message out to stop. Whether he told them to storm the capital is debatable but that he did nothing to stop it or slow it down is a fact. It will all come out. These republicans have been using you, capitalizing on your base principles and exploiting you for everything they can. Don't fall for it.
 

CS1

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His dad was arrested at a KKK rally. Take that for what you will. Do you think maybe trump has been lying to you the whole time. The revs agreed with trump on what. Certainly not on his current fascist agenda. Do you realize he has been lying to you when he says, the only way I lose is if their is fraud. This whole election fraud claim has been one big lie with the desired outcome an authoritarian fascist state. He is setting you up and playing with your mind. How about the fact that he refused to send in national guard right away and waited and waited until long after the mayhem started to send a message out to stop. Whether he told them to storm the capital is debatable but that he did nothing to stop it or slow it down is a fact. It will all come out. These republicans have been using you, capitalizing on your base principles and exploiting you for everything they can. Don't fall for it.
LOL Lying? If you think that Trump has been lying when from day one the DNC has tried to have him removed and GOP did not stand by him YET we know that former POTUS Obama did lie did cheat and did spy on the Trump Administration and ask if maybe Trump lied?

LOL hahaha. IF you can't see that this election was not done incorrectly during a pandemic well, ignorance is bliss.

The fraud did happen the proof is overwhelming. The sad thing it has been going on for many years. In Democratic-controlled states and cities. In CA K. Harris won her seat to the Senate when magically 100, 000 votes were found and gave her the win.

Those who want to challenge the election need to pay big money. Most can't afford to do so. In addition, State legislatures must approve any changes to the voting period. That was proven in PA to have happened.

BUT truth and facts are not what the Democrats want. They want us to believe Joe Biden got more votes than registered voters

80 million even when Trump got 10 million more than in 2016. Biden is more popular than Obama and Hillary LOL.

I know the news is repeating the Captial but the left, democrats and media gave BLM and ANTIFA a pass all summer. No one has exploited me, I know very much the lying DNC and the weak wimp GOP. You have fallen for it. LOL.
 

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I don't know what makes you think I have "taken up the Biden mantle" to begin with.

I am not a Democrat. I do not like Mr. Biden. I have had problems with him since long before he was Veep under Obama. (I had problems with Obama, too.) I have been following politics probably longer than you've been alive.

As a choice between him and Trump, I chose the lesser evil. Yes, it was still evil. Many, many Republicans agree with me, which is why Biden won, fair and square. We're not thrilled with a Biden administration, but it's better than the alternative. We HAD to get rid of Trump, and he continues to prove why.

The fact that there are so many "Republicans" who STILL don't get it is what's wrong with this country. The Republican Party used to stand for decency. I don't know when that changed, but the party that rightly held Bill Clinton's feet to the fire has NO leg to stand on today. It disgusts me to the core.
Not too sure about Biden winning fair and square. I'm not thrilled about a Biden administration either but was more than willing to take my chances with the alternative. Seeing how Biden is strongly in favor of abortion, including (in New York) the killing of a baby seconds away from being born, considering him to be the lesser of the two evils is a bit problematic.
 

rastai

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LOL Lying? If you think that Trump has been lying when from day one the DNC has tried to have him removed and GOP did not stand by him YET we know that former POTUS Obama did lie did cheat and did spy on the Trump Administration and ask if maybe Trump lied?

LOL hahaha. IF you can't see that this election was not done incorrectly during a pandemic well, ignorance is bliss.

The fraud did happen the proof is overwhelming. The sad thing it has been going on for many years. In Democratic-controlled states and cities. In CA K. Harris won her seat to the Senate when magically 100, 000 votes were found and gave her the win.

Those who want to challenge the election need to pay big money. Most can't afford to do so. In addition, State legislatures must approve any changes to the voting period. That was proven in PA to have happened.

BUT truth and facts are not what the Democrats want. They want us to believe Joe Biden got more votes than registered voters

80 million even when Trump got 10 million more than in 2016. Biden is more popular than Obama and Hillary LOL.

I know the news is repeating the Captial but the left, democrats and media gave BLM and ANTIFA a pass all summer. No one has exploited me, I know very much the lying DNC and the weak wimp GOP. You have fallen for it. LOL.
There is literally not a shred of proof of election fraud outside a very small handful of votes. All those claims can be easily explained which is why they won't hold up in court. I urge you to reexamine the claims of fraud.
 

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There is literally not a shred of proof of election fraud outside a very small handful of votes. All those claims can be easily explained which is why they won't hold up in court. I urge you to reexamine the claims of fraud.
You sound as ridiculous in your denial as you think the other side does in its claims.

Even so, because Obama judges and a weird Supreme court who chooses to look the other way, REFUSE to hear a case, does not mean there is no evidence. A person, for that matter, can refuse to hear the truth but that does not mean the truth does not exist.

When you state all those claims can be easily explained, who are you quoting? Were you there as an observer? Were you a judge before whom evidence was presented? Were you one of the signers of an avidavit in which you swore you saw irregularities? No?

The fact you state they won't hold up in court is an admission of ignorance. Judges have refused to hear even cases that clearly show that the law was broken. The constitution does not change at the whim of judges.

So, maybe sit back and ask yourself why that might be. I say the fix is in and I have said that since I first heard about the mess.

I have no illusion you will actually do that
 

CS1

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There is literally not a shred of proof of election fraud outside a very small handful of votes. All those claims can be easily explained which is why they won't hold up in court. I urge you to reexamine the claims of fraud.
that is because you have a bias. You are clearly ill-informed. Biden did not win the COVID-19 pandemic was used to cheat. I have reexamined the claims of fraud and it is very clear unless you get your news from that Gay activist on CNN and MSNBC. there are Eyewitnesses to the truth of cheating. When has sworn witnesses not been seen as evidence? There is more proof of voter fraud than there was from the Unnamed blower
There is literally not a shred of proof of election fraud outside a very small handful of votes. All those claims can be easily explained which is why they won't hold up in court. I urge you to reexamine the claims of fraud.


You say that because you have a bias. There is more proof of voter fraud than the democrats and Adam Schiff had with a whistleblower nobody could see or cross-examine BUT we had to protect and accept the word of Russian collusion and impeach the POTUS with NO evidence!

Yet you say there is no proof? I do not take you seriously what a joke LOl
 

rastai

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I get news from a variety of sources but not from random YouTubers. I'll say it again. There was no fraud. You were lied to. Biden won just as fair as any other president in history. Trump lost and that is a fact no matter where I do or do not get my news from.
 

CS1

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I get news from a variety of sources but not from random YouTubers. I'll say it again. There was no fraud. You were lied to. Biden won just as fair as any other president in history. Trump lost and that is a fact no matter where I do or do not get my news from.
I will say it again you are wrong and I don't get my news from youtube or democratic news outlets like CNN , ABC, MSNBC, and NPR.

Just tell me the name of the whistleblower who had the evidence of Russian Collusion. you are deceived.
 
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... but I'm going to ask anyway:

How many here have changed their opinion of Trump due to the events of this morning (Wednesday) at the US Capitol? Or maybe you still prefer him to Biden, but you agree he maybe went too far?
I haven't changed my opinion of trump, the last 5 years have only confirmed he was and is not fit for office. He went too far when he got on the escalator.

 
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