Iran the new Persia, Rise of the Empire

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Iron represents the Roman empire, and the feet with the 10 toes represent the 10 nations/kingdoms that follow the antichrist. Notice how it is the iron (Roman empire) mixed with clay. The Roman empire is rising again within the European union as this picture shows, and some if not most of the European nations are mostly Muslim. Turkey for one is mostly Muslim. The pope has also just recently allowed Christians and Muslims to worship together, which is another symbolism of the false prophet of allowing apostate Christianity and another religion to merge together as one.

Iran will play a big role in the end time and they border Iraq where the river Euphrates is which Revelation shows a war that starts that kills 1/3 of the world population or about 2.3 billion people...
the 2 thights was romes east and wast strong together,

now europe looks like iron and clay , not aligned yet, but soon for a short time.

isis has called for war with , againest rome now.

yes the roman empire,(europe, the roman treaty in affect)


europe has started an ethnic cleansing, not jew but islam.

also the pope and europe see isis, islam as a threat.

In May, it published a report titled,
“Enabling the future—European military capabilities 2013-2025:
Enabling the future. European military capabilities 2013-2025: challenges and avenues
Home - EUISS

with examples of threats it believes the EU needs to prepare to deal with.

This is scenario number six , Aggressive regime in the Middle East
#Risk/threat: An unpredictable but increasingly powerful regime in the wider Middle East conducts its first atomic test. A year later, the regime demonstrates that it has a working and deliverable nuclear capability to a range of 2,500 km: European territory could be directly threatened. The regime, feeling safe under its newfound atomic umbrella, becomes increasingly aggressive, harrying commercial vessels in the Gulf and supporting terrorist jihadi organizations throughout the Levant. The situation escalates when the country mounts incursions into a smaller pro-Western neighbor, whose freedom is deemed critical for the security of world energy supply.


Response: Given the severity of the situation and the potential number of actors implicated, any response would likely be international in character. Europeans, however, would be expected to provide a substantial force component for large-scale expeditionary warfare, which would need to be backed up with tactical and strategic ballistic missile defenses.

Scenario five sees Islamist jihadists take control of the Suez Canal. Such an event could force the Europeans to launch an “extended” mission “to protect one of their most precious pieces of overseas infrastructure,” it states. According to EU strategists, the Suez already belongs to them.

The report argued that the EU needs to be willing and able to defend “zones of EU privileged interests”—areas around the EU such as the Mediterranean Sea or Indo-Pacific region.


islam, iran will be smashed by europe, lead by germany, who is top dog even now,

this will look like they are the good guys, but do a double cross to the jews.

but germany hears an asian army amass, from north and east, who crosses the river for battle.
 
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Or the subsequent Greek empire that supplanted the Medo-Persian empire you're referencing which itself supplanted the Babylon empire the night an incident occurred from which we get our "handwriting on the wall" saying from.

Though I do get your point for as Pontus recounts:

"the most disgraceful thing in the world [the Persians] think, is to tell a lie; the next worst, to owe a debt: because, among other reasons, the debtor is obliged to tell lies."


If only the growing Empire of Iran had more in common with the Achaemenid Empire.
 

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-March 1957 brought a, (The Treaty of Rome), a revival to former rome.
Treaty of Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

officially the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community,
that led to the founding of the European Economic Community (EEC)
European Economic Community - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

signed 25 March 1957 by Belgium,France,Italy,Luxembourg,Netherlands,
and West Germany. Maastricht Treaty followed, amended by

the treaties of Amsterdam, Nice and now Lisbon treaty.
Treaty of Lisbon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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In June of 1991, the Bundestag voted to move its capitol from Bonn back
to imperial Berlin, headquarters of the Second and Third Reich.

The Reichstag, Adolf Hitler’s seat of hate,completely renovated in
anticipation of thier. (parliament) to the (Reichstag).
Berlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reichstag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reichstag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia building in Berlin
Bundeswehr is the unified armed forces of Germany and their
civil administration and procurement authorities
Bundeswehr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
a
federal authority of Germany. It reports to the Federal Min. of the Interior
Federal Statistical Office of Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...erior_(Germany)

-on 1 December 2009 upon the entry into force of (the Treaty of Lisbon),
when the EU obtained a consolidated legal personality.

the (Roman empire) is became oficially alive again,in europe (NOW).
 

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The parliamentary term (Reichstag) was first used in association with
the (Holy Roman Empire). the building from where Hitler launched a war that
cost about 50 million lives.

German Parliaments met from 1894 to 1933 and again now since 1999

-The Imperial Regalia, insignia, or crown jewels, the regalia of

the Emperors and Kings of the Holy Roman Empire.
The most important parts are the Imperial Crown,
the (Holy Lance) and the (Imperial Sword).
Holy Lance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Holy Lance is preserved beneath the dome of Saint Peter's Basilica,
the name given to the lance that they pierced the side of Jesus
Crown of Charlemagne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Imperial Sword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


All four parts of the Imperial Regalia are displayed, used in coronations.
Imperial Regalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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When Napoleon proclaimed himself Emperor of France, he also called
his own imperial crown the "Crown of Charlemagne".
 
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the 2 thights was romes east and wast strong together,

now europe looks like iron and clay , not aligned yet, but soon for a short time.

isis has called for war with , againest rome now.

yes the roman empire,(europe, the roman treaty in affect)


europe has started an ethnic cleansing, not jew but islam.

also the pope and europe see isis, islam as a threat.

In May, it published a report titled,
“Enabling the future—European military capabilities 2013-2025:
Enabling the future. European military capabilities 2013-2025: challenges and avenues
Home - EUISS

with examples of threats it believes the EU needs to prepare to deal with.

This is scenario number six , Aggressive regime in the Middle East
#Risk/threat: An unpredictable but increasingly powerful regime in the wider Middle East conducts its first atomic test. A year later, the regime demonstrates that it has a working and deliverable nuclear capability to a range of 2,500 km: European territory could be directly threatened. The regime, feeling safe under its newfound atomic umbrella, becomes increasingly aggressive, harrying commercial vessels in the Gulf and supporting terrorist jihadi organizations throughout the Levant. The situation escalates when the country mounts incursions into a smaller pro-Western neighbor, whose freedom is deemed critical for the security of world energy supply.


Response: Given the severity of the situation and the potential number of actors implicated, any response would likely be international in character. Europeans, however, would be expected to provide a substantial force component for large-scale expeditionary warfare, which would need to be backed up with tactical and strategic ballistic missile defenses.

Scenario five sees Islamist jihadists take control of the Suez Canal. Such an event could force the Europeans to launch an “extended” mission “to protect one of their most precious pieces of overseas infrastructure,” it states. According to EU strategists, the Suez already belongs to them.

The report argued that the EU needs to be willing and able to defend “zones of EU privileged interests”—areas around the EU such as the Mediterranean Sea or Indo-Pacific region.


islam, iran will be smashed by europe, lead by germany, who is top dog even now,

this will look like they are the good guys, but do a double cross to the jews.

but germany hears an asian army amass, from north and east, who crosses the river for battle.

The pope sees ISIS as a threat but not Islam, as he has just at the beginning of this year made Christian and Muslim worshiping together as acceptable.
Plus since the year 2013 antisemitism has been on the rise in some of the European countries have had assemblies and protests screaming and holding signs saying death to the Jews.

The army that comes from the Euphrates river area fends 200 million, and there is only three factions that can fend this size army but only one comes from the Euphrates river area. (Muslim, China, or Ethiopia)
 

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The army that comes from the Euphrates river area fends 200 million, and there is only three factions that can fend this size army but only one comes from the Euphrates river area. (Muslim, China, or Ethiopia)
the whole asian block russia in charge , with china , even japan and others,the whole contenent,

they come from the north- east and cross the river,
also all other nations in the world come to join in the slaugher
 

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The pope sees ISIS as a threat but not Islam,
ok we can say that pope loves people, but who really is isis, or behind them, thats is the deception.

europe sees iran, islam a threat,

islam wants the temple and jews out, rome and pope has there eyes on it and want it to.

and will fight for it, like the done in the past.
 
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the whole asian block russia in charge , with china , even japan and others,the whole contenent,

they come from the north- east and cross the river,
also all other nations in the world come to join in the slaugher

That is not what scripture says though, as it says in Revelation it is released from the Euphrates river area.
God gives the command to release to 4 angels who have been bound (in chains/metaphorically) at the river. The army arises from there and goes out against the world and kills 2.3 billion.
I do believe it will lead into a WW3 and all others will get involved which is why that many will die, yet the 200 million man army that starts it arises from the middle east. And we happen to have ISIS who is making a lot of enemies now, but ISIS is only a small percentage of the Muslim world. Iran could eventually rally others to follow them since they are now involved in Iraq against ISIS.
 

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That is not what scripture says though, as it says in Revelation it is released from the Euphrates river area.
God gives the command to release to 4 angels who have been bound (in chains/metaphorically) at the river. The army arises from there and goes out against the world and kills 2.3 billion.
no these angeles are not bad, there are there bound for a certean time, on Gods orders,

where does it say bad angeles, they are doing Gods bidding.

second they stopped the river so the army can cross at that point, past the river,

does not say they where just on the other side,who knows how far they traveled.

and this army was an army of men and machines, not angeles fighting mortals.
 
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ok we can say that pope loves people, but who really is isis, or behind them, thats is the deception.

europe sees iran, islam a threat,

islam wants the temple and jews out, rome and pope has there eyes on it and want it to.

and will fight for it, like the done in the past.

Yes I do believe Islam will be the major issue eventually, but right now with ISIS it is not so much as like I said previously that they are a small percentage of the Muslim population and Islam is against ISIS right now. I believe that this could easily be the stepping stone for other Muslim nations following Iran, yet the bible does not say the antichrist/man of sin arises out of Iran.
The bible in Daniel 9 gives us the place in which the antichrist/man of sin will come from.
It calls the man of sin the prince of this world, and says the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the temple. Who did this in 70 AD? It was the Romans, so this means the man of sin has to arise out of a Roman empire nation.
This is where I believe Turkey comes into play because the majority of its population is Muslim and it was part of the original Roman empire. So it has ties to both the Roman and Muslim nations, hince iron mixed with clay. Plus there has been a study of symbolism shown to always follow this system that beast will arise from, which is the star and crescent moon. Now look at Turkey's flag;

 
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no these angeles are not bad, there are there bound for a certean time, on Gods orders,

where does it say bad angeles, they are doing Gods bidding.

second they stopped the river so the army can cross at that point, past the river,

does not say they where just on the other side,who knows how far they traveled.

and this army was an army of men and machines, not angeles fighting mortals.


It says they are bound at the river Euphrates, and the Greek word for bound here is deo which means;

bind (7), binding (1), binds (2), bound (23), imprisoned (4), prisoners (1), put...in chains (1), tied (4).
 

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Yes I do believe Islam will be the major issue eventually, but right now with ISIS it is not so much as like I said previously that they are a small percentage of the Muslim population and Islam is against ISIS right now. I believe that this could easily be the stepping stone for other Muslim nations following Iran, yet the bible does not say the antichrist/man of sin arises out of Iran.
i never said iran was the place of antichrist came from,

that person comes from europe, germany , like mercikle or someone, with flatteries and lies,

look for the church to come together with rome soon, unholy roman empire then
 

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It says they are bound at the river Euphrates, and the Greek word for bound here is deo which means;

bind (7), binding (1), binds (2), bound (23), imprisoned (4), prisoners (1), put...in chains (1), tied (4).
yes they where bound there, for the right time and place to do Gods will.

I still believe the angeles, they did nothing or anything wrong to be there (in chains because bad)
 
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yes they where bound there, for the right time and place to do Gods will.

I still believe the angeles, they did nothing or anything wrong to be there (in chains because bad)

You must remember that not all angels are good, as other scriptures mention other angels that are bound in chains tell time of judgment. Some angels are bad and follow satan, and just because God releases them to do this does not mean they are good.

Revelation 17 shows that God puts into the heart of the man of sin to go against Babylon and destroy her.
 

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-one of the first conquest of this new german power

strongly opposed by the European Economic Community, the U.S.and
the UN, Germany recognized the breakaway states of Croatia and
Slovenia. also Pope John Paul ii quickly did the same.

European Economic Community caved and recognized the two states.

The New York Times wrote about this watershed event in a front-page
“Moving Defiantly on Yugoslavia, Bonn Threatens Rift With Allies”:
Moving Defiantly on Yugoslavia, Bonn Threatens Rift With Allies - NYTimes.com

-The UN also backed away from a direct confrontation with Kohl.

And the U.S., which at first blamed the Germans for provoking
the Balkan crisis by recognizing the two breakaway states, eventually
flip-flopped to support Germany’s decision!

-June 2013. Dutch Paratroopers Officially Join German Army

The Dutch 11th airmobile brigade officially joined the German Army
in a ceremony attended by Dutch and German defense ministers, June 12
T
his merger comes after an agreement between the two nations was
signed in May 2013. the they can now pool equipment and training costs.
Dutch soldiers will be part of the German division of fast response troops.
They will be (under German command), with a German major general,
a Dutch deputy and a joint division staff Dutch Army , three brigades,
plus support staff and Special Forces.

-2014/12/08 Germany wants to be the “driving force in Europe of
a parliamentary controlled European army,”

This will be an EU army under strong German control.
www.german-foreign-policy.com

On October 29, German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen signed a
declaration of intent on German-Polish cooperation with Polish Defense
Minister Tomasz Siemoniak. This declaration of intent is not limited
to training drills but provides for “placing combat battalions under
the other’s command.”

After the agreement, von der Leyen’s ministry declared the “German-Polish
cooperation is a trendsetting milestone for the development of European
integrated military structures.”
www.german-foreign-policy.com

-The government-affiliated German Institute for International and Security
Affairs (swp) believes that America’s changing global role is a good reason
for establishing an EU army.

- the United states has pulled out or been kicked out leaving a void
they caved in by putin, on building a missle defence shield in europe
claims germany is are closest friend, and encourges to grow closer,
reliesed irans santions , building missle and urenium still.
now relaxes cuban santions, and wants to be buddies
while abandon allies jer and uk, from both world wars
 

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-Thy crowned are as the locusts , the bible says about germany

Winston Churchill even also called the Germans and their military machine ‘the locusts’,

and thy captains as the great grasshoppers,which camp in the hedges in the cold day,

but when the sun ariseth they flee away,
and their place is not known where they are.” they hid only to return.

the Nazis just went underground and disappeared like grasshoppers in wintertime.

-“They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their
dignity shall proceed of themselves.” Habakkuk 1:7 (KJV)

the world will know the fierceness from past times
 

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-By the end of World War ii, all cities of over 50,000 population in Germany
were left in a heap of ruins, and also a great many smaller towns.

-Here is what Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt stated in
a document signed in February 1945, toward the end of World War ii:

“It is our inflexible purpose to destroy German militarism and Nazism and
ensure Germany will never again be able to disturb the peace of the world”

-Denazification was handed over to the Germans.” Just two years after their defeat,
the Germans were actually told to denazify themselves!
Denazification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-Brian Connell sums up In his book the situation that developed after Wwii.
the German denazification effort a farce,saying the “Bavarian administration
is largely in the hands of those who controlled it under Hitler.

Sixty percent of the 15,000 employees in the Finance Ministry are former
Nazis, and 81 percent of the 924 judges, magistrates and prosecutors
in the Ministry of Justice.”

-four years after the Allies handed the denazification process over to
the Germans,“The German government declared officially denazification
procedure had been terminated” and said they were clean.

now they are growing in europe , head of europe,and the world starting looking to them for help.

once again the (roman empire) has (offically started) in europe,
and nobody seems to care,.
 

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You must remember that not all angels are good, as other scriptures mention other angels that are bound in chains tell time of judgment. Some angels are bad and follow satan, and just because God releases them to do this does not mean they are good.

Revelation 17 shows that God puts into the heart of the man of sin to go against Babylon and destroy her.
15And the four angels were loosed,

which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year,

-we can't prove but whats is there, i just don't see where they where bound because bad.

for to slay the third part of men.
 
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15And the four angels were loosed,

which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year,

-we can't prove but whats is there, i just don't see where they where bound because bad.

for to slay the third part of men.


Revelation 9:14
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

The word bound here like I previously showed is the Greek word deo, which means to be bound in chains.
Also notice that the order was given to the sixth angel with the trumpet to go and release them, so we can see that they were kept from carrying out this killing until God told one of His angels to release them from their binding.