Is Kim Davis Christian??? Her Church Denies the Trinity

[Desdichado]

The OP brings up a very valid point. A proper understanding of God is absolutely essential.

That said, the Lord still calls his flock to Him. There are many people like Mrs. Davis who attend churches that preach false doctrine, but still, through the preservation of the Holy Ghost, understand and embrace the essentials in every area of life.

I cannot know for certain, but it seems to me that Mrs. Davis knows God.

 

[PoetMary]

Personally, I don't get why Christians are calling her a "hero." She's basically refusing to do her job because she disagrees with the Supreme Court ruling. Except her job is to provide marriage licenses based on the law.

Her religious liberty was never threatened. She just doesn't approve of gay marriage and is basically trying to what??? Make it impossible for gays in her county to marry? Because what will happen if she does that?

Umm...she'll go to jail...that's what will happen.

Refusing to do your job is not an aspect of practicing your religious freedom. If she doesn't like her job, she should do what everyone else does and simply find another job. What she really wants is to be able to pick and choose who gets married in that county. In other words, she wants HER worldview to be the law.

I wonder if Christians would be calling her a hero if her "worldview" disallowed her from giving licenses to Islamic couples to marry. Or if she refused to give a marriage license to people who were living together. Or if she refused to give marriage licenses to atheists. Or if she refused to give licenses to Christians who didn't espouse her particular flavor of Christianity.

Basically, some Christians are yahooing the idea that individuals get to make laws and arbitrarily enforce them upon others. Of course, these are the same Christians who cry "persecution" if an atheist, or a non-Christian behaves in such a manner.

Again....NOT an issue of religious liberty.

 

[Desdichado]

Personally, I don't get why Christians are calling her a "hero." She's basically refusing to do her job because she disagrees with the Supreme Court ruling. Except her job is to provide marriage licenses based on the law.

Her religious liberty was never threatened. She just doesn't approve of gay marriage and is basically trying to what??? Make it impossible for gays in her county to marry? Because what will happen if she does that?

Umm...she'll go to jail...that's what will happen.

Refusing to do your job is not an aspect of practicing your religious freedom. If she doesn't like her job, she should do what everyone else does and simply find another job. What she really wants is to be able to pick and choose who gets married in that county. In other words, she wants HER worldview to be the law.

I wonder if Christians would be calling her a hero if her "worldview" disallowed her from giving licenses to Islamic couples to marry. Or if she refused to give a marriage license to people who were living together. Or if she refused to give marriage licenses to atheists. Or if she refused to give licenses to Christians who didn't espouse her particular flavor of Christianity.

Basically, some Christians are yahooing the idea that individuals get to make laws and arbitrarily enforce them upon others. Of course, these are the same Christians who cry "persecution" if an atheist, or a non-Christian behaves in such a manner.

Again....NOT an issue of religious liberty.

As if having the right worldview is not important...

 

[Mitspa]

This lady is clearly a hero ...

 

[PoetMary]

I made no claims regarding the benefits or necessity having or not having a particular worldview. I was commenting on her behavior.

Supporting Kim Davis is supporting the idea that individuals should be able to force their worldview onto others regardless of what the law says. She gets to be a "hero" because her worldview happens to coincide with your own. However, what if she were an atheist who refused to grant marriage licenses to Christians? Or if she were a hard-core feminist who believed that marriage was merely the enslavement of women and refused to grant licenses to any women. Would you support her "civil rights" then? Would you be like, "Way to go with the civil disobedience!!! We respect you living up to your conscience!" Naturally not.

I don't understand why people can't examine the underlying philosophy here and see how DANGEROUS it is to Christians. It's one thing to be all "rah, rah, yeah-civil-disobedience" when it's someone who espouses YOUR worldview. However, if you claim that she should have the power to allow or disallow marriage based on her own personal convictions, then you potentially set up a situation where ALL clerks EVERYWHERE can use their personal philosophies as a basis for granting marriage licenses. If this were the case, there would certainly be clerks who would refuse marriage licenses to Christians.

Asking her to obey the law within her job is NOT a violation of her religious liberties. Having or maintaining a particular job is not a RIGHT. If she finds that she cannot live up to her conscience and perform her job, then she needs to find another job.

As an aside, for YEARS she has provided marriage licenses to any number of immoral people--fornicators, drug dealers, thieves, liars, etc. I don't get why her conscience didn't bother her then, but apparently, it didn't. She seems to not have record of refusing to grant licenses to these people.

 

[Agricola]

A troll a day helps you work rest and play.

 

[Tintin]

A troll a day helps you work rest and play.

Honestly, I'd much rather have a Mars bar.

Retro, for the win.

 

[NewWine]

All I can say about this is I am very thankful that God saved me because of my heart and not because of my belief, knowledge or understanding of the trinity. Is she a Christian? don't know can't see her heart, but I am guessing God knows.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Honestly, I'd much rather have a Mars bar.

Retro, for the win.
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Nice try. No cigar. The all-time greatest Snickers commercial.

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Game. Set. Match.

 

[Abing]

Well, this is interesting. Let's pray for her salvation.

 

[Tintin]

Nice try. No cigar. The all-time greatest Snickers commercial.

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Game. Set. Match.

Haha! Great googally moogally!

 

[Mitspa]

Well, this is interesting. Let's pray for her salvation.

Maybe some folks on this forum need her to pray for them? as far as I can see she is one of the few acting like she really believes in Jesus and the God of Abraham ...

 

[Desdichado]

Maybe some folks on this forum need her to pray for them? as far as I can see she is one of the few acting like she really believes in Jesus and the God of Abraham ...

It's very clear that Kim Davis knows God.

 

[atwhatcost]

You are right -that is the precise reason why I joined. I was so amazed that Christians (which I am) were calling her a hero of the faith, the modern day Daniel, a leader of the faith , a martyr. I wanted to know if there were people in my faith community who were not so quick to make her the symbol of the Christian faith. Now I agree with her stance. But I look at her in the right perspective - just like God used Cyrus the unbelieving king, God can use Kim Davis to advance his Kingdom even thou she may not know him "For the sake of Jacob My servant, And Israel My chosen one, I have also called you by your name; I have given you a title of honor Though you have not known Me. Isaiah 45:5

I was raised a Catholic. I was born again shortly after my 16th birthday. I'm also my younger brother's godmother in all the Catholic beliefs of that phrase. And right before Mom died, she made me promise to raise my brother as a good Catholic. Yikes!

So was I not a Christian for those first four years I was a Christian because I was still Catholic?

Seriously? When we first come to the Lord, we don't have our doctrine perfect. I dare say when we die we still don't, no matter how many decades later.

So, nope. Not going to judge a young believer by her choice in Church. I trust God to do his thing.

How about you?

 

[atwhatcost]

Just read below what her church says they teach her. Simply yes or no do you agree with this teaching?
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If you're into bashing her church, why not just bash her church instead of bashing her? Isn't she getting bashed enough outside the Christian community? Must we bash too?

 

[atwhatcost]

This is my agenda:
that Jesus Christ be glorified not Kim Davis

And they told him, John the Baptist; and others say, Elijah; and others, one of the prophets.” And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter answered him,r“You are the Christ.”

without Christology, there is no Christianity. Jesus is at the center of the Christian faith. As a result, knowing about Christ is essential, as well as personal. Our relationship to Christ, for instance, is tied to our human condition, redemption, and salvation.

Funny. It's not working well.

 

[atwhatcost]

how did I get to be the bad guy on the site called Christian Chat when all I said Jesus Christ should be glorified not Kim Davis. Even thou I believe to deny Jesus as God is a grievous error. But we can pull back at have a macro view, and say God even uses unbelievers to advance his Kingdom. What she is doing is great I agree with her stance, she is 100% right. Can't we praise God for His work through her and not the vessel he uses ?

Because you're bashing someone at your opening bell. (Which, given the metaphor is connected to boxing, so bashing is good, the bashers still have to go out into the ring before bashing, but you're swinging at the bell!)

 

[Donkeyfish07]

Asking her to obey the law within her job is NOT a violation of her religious liberties. Having or maintaining a particular job is not a RIGHT. If she finds that she cannot live up to her conscience and perform her job, then she needs to find another job.

As an aside, for YEARS she has provided marriage licenses to any number of immoral people--fornicators, drug dealers, thieves, liars, etc. I don't get why her conscience didn't bother her then, but apparently, it didn't. She seems to not have record of refusing to grant licenses to these people.

Actually, she is protected under article VII of the civil rights act. When a professional duty conflicts with a personal religous belief (and it specifically includes government employees, both state and federal), reasonable accomodation is required on part of the employer if it can be made (for example, if a muslim employee at a grocery store has an issue serving free bacon samples....its reasonable accomodation to get someone else to do that). The only thing Kim Davis's lawyer asked for was for her name to be taken off the certificates, there are plenty of other clerks there willing to do it she just doesn't want her name on the forms. She feels that it would be the same as her personally participating in it.

There really was no reason for this to escalate this far. There is no need for her to step down when its a really easy situation to fix. Had she being saying, no....under any circumstances i will not allow this to happen at all as long as I'm the head clerk it would be different. She should have stepped down, that would have been the right thing to do. That's not how it was though. All she wanted was her name not personally attatched to those particular certificates. The judge didn't allow it just to make political point.

Also, how is a person to know a couple coming in for a license and one of them is divorced.....how would she know that it was or wasn't for adultery? The reason is not going to be in the paperwork infront of you. They aren't going to tell you obviously, with their new fiance. Are you really going to ask either? No, its obviously disrespectful to ask a couple in the process of marrying those types of questions.

In the event a couple came in and one of them volunteered their previous spouse divorced them for adultery, do you really think she would have still issued the certificate? Any reason on this earth to think she would? Thats exactly why that comparison makes no sense.

 

[crossnote]

If you're into bashing her church, why not just bash her church instead of bashing her? Isn't she getting bashed enough outside the Christian community? Must we bash too?

I'm convinced, regardless of the topic of the thread, if it contains Kim Davis name, there are some here that will bash her until she recants.

 

[atwhatcost]

I'm convinced, regardless of the topic of the thread, if it contains Kim Davis name, there are some here that will bash her until she recants.

I am convinced she does't come here to see it.