Is There a War on Women?

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kaylagrl

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You will note that I use quotation marks in the word Christian. And yes it is used to "justify" attacks upon Jews. While the churches did recant after the war they should have done so before the atrocities took place.
Agree 100%
 
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I don't see it, but if the liberal educated PC centric media says its there, then it must be. I'm just a illiterate right leaning white middle aged male who loves God, so who am I to say.
Oh yes, I am referring to woman here in America.

It's got nothing to do with libbies or what certain sections of the media portray as you see it. I'm literate. I identify with conservative values. I love God. What do you know. I can be just as sarcastic but it doesn't accomplish anything. The truth is that women are still disenfranchised from society in comparison to men. To give an example, equal pay is just one of the issues we still face today in 2016.


I'd encourage you when you have some spare time to study the following discussion about different aspects of feminism that I think you'd really benefit from learning about. Feminism is the experiences that have shaped women in their lives and the challenges that we face in the world as it is today as a result. I believe that's the way Jesus would've considered it and exercised due compassion.


[video=youtube;Jzcs4ti_bdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzcs4ti_bdI&ab_channel=SydneyOperaHouseTal ks&Ideas[/video]
 
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It's got nothing to do with libbies or what certain sections of the media portray as you see it. I'm literate. I identify with conservative values. I love God. What do you know. I can be just as sarcastic but it doesn't accomplish anything. The truth is that women are still disenfranchised from society in comparison to men. To give an example, equal pay is just one of the issues we still face today in 2016.


I'd encourage you when you have some spare time to study the following discussion about different aspects of feminism that I think you'd really benefit from learning about. Feminism is the experiences that have shaped women in their lives and the challenges that we face in the world as it is today as a result. I believe that's the way Jesus would've considered it and exercised due compassion.


[video=youtube;Jzcs4ti_bdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzcs4ti_bdI&ab_channel=SydneyOperaHouseTal ks&Ideas[/video]
Total nonsense to be honest. American women actively choose less demanding, less time consuming, less dangerous careers. Take into account hours worked, education, and experience, and the pay gap nearly disappears. In most places it's illegal to pay women different wages for equal work.

You need to stop relying on English Women's Literature and Feminist Studies graduates for your economic and historical narrative. Most women have it better than men in developed Western countries nowadays, especially in the younger generation.
 
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kaylagrl

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Total nonsense to be honest. American women actively choose less demanding, less time consuming, less dangerous careers. Take into account hours worked, education, and experience, and the pay gap nearly disappears. In most places it's illegal to pay women different wages for equal work.

You need to stop relying on English Women's Literature and Feminist Studies graduates for your economic and historical narrative. Most women have it better than men in developed Western countries nowadays, especially in the younger generation.


Wow, first thing you've said so far that I could agree with. But I think the "war on women" is made out of whole cloth to be used as a political tool. No such thing IMO
 
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Wow, first thing you've said so far that I could agree with. But I think the "war on women" is made out of whole cloth to be used as a political tool. No such thing IMO
It's one of those things. Eighty years ago, it would have been fair to say women were disadvantaged in several ways. It just so happens that humans are the kind of creatures that have trouble making sensible amendments. When we see that the balance is too far in favour of one party, we tend to swing it too far in favour of the other in order to make up for it. Really the balance should be, well, balanced.

You just have to look at custody statistics, abortion law, the genders proportioning among welfare recipients, workplace deaths, suicides, life expectancy, alimony statistics, hours worked, the respective retirement ages of men and women, incarceration rates and the inequalities in the lengths of prison sentences given to men as opposed to women, for similar crimes, and military conscription laws in order to see that Western societies heavily, heavily disfavour men.

I've always made it clear that I believe in fairness and equal rights -- there's no reason for women to be unable to vote, divorce, marry whomever they like, earn money, accumulate wealth, own property and have a choice in whether or not to have children. But men should also be given similar freedoms and equal treatment surrounding them.

How many times have you heard "she took it all in the divorce" or "I can only see the kids once a week" from men? But the corrolary almost never happens. The same with abortion. If women are able to choose whether to be parents or not, then the super-liberal feminists must also concede that fairness dictates men be able to legally decide not to financially sponsor a child or become a father. It has the same end result for the potential patent. But not only does that kind of society fail to fit into their worldview (women ought to be given special privileges), it's also quite ugly where children's emotional wellbeings are concerned. Sorry hunny, since I'm allowed to abort, dad is also allowed to legally opt out of being your dad. He didnt want you.

That's what real equality would look like, Kayla. It's the exact reason I refuse to marry or have children in this country. Men get short changed at every turn where sex, relationships, marriage and children are concerned. All these feminists expect us to be okay with the idea that women may hold our life's work and our accumulated wealth to ransom by carrying our children, and to challenge them is to be labelled a mysoginist. Honestly, what is left for men in this society, if we are powerless over our lives and our children, upon the moment of conception?

Suicide is the number one cause of death in young men. And I can tell you that I suspect strongly the unbalanced laws surrounding parenthood, partnership and divorce are a large part of why.

We are expected to give 50% of jobs to women, then pander to them financially when they decide to have children (a decision we get no legal say in). I read an article a few days ago, positing that if a man ejacultes during intercourse without a woman's expressed consent, and she becomes pregnant, this ought to be classified as a statutory form of rape, since the woman did not expressly consent to being confined to mothehood and all its problems. Then surely the opposite ought to be true, too. If a woman lies about being on contraceptives, this should be classed as a form of rape because the man did not consent to being confined to fatherhood and all its problems. You see how ridiculous this gets??

Honestly, the biggest issue for me is the general message that young men and women are being given. That message is that men are the enemy of society and must be emasculated. If not physically so, then emotionally, psychologically, reproductively and financially so.
 

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The Encyclopedia of War begs to differ. Thats a charge that has been thrown around by atheists,and others for years but is not true.


The Knight & Drummer: WAR & Religion


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It is very difficult to ascertain from that link which specific wars the authors were referring to. When Queen Victoria and King Leopold invaded India and Congo thereby killing far more people than did Hitler in Europe, were these counted among the religious wars? After all, they, like Hitler, claimed to have been "justified" in their actions because they were God ordained.

Fast forward a century and a half later when Bush claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq. This should be included among the genocidal wars committed by Christian professing imperialists. If Watts had been around today that is what he would do.
 
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Funny how the major news media outlets parade scantily clad women in tight dresses. Are these ladies being used to boost viewership? I'd say yes.
 

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Funny how the major news media outlets parade scantily clad women in tight dresses. Are these ladies being used to boost viewership? I'd say yes.

I say yes​ as well, especially the Fox network
 
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I say yes​ as well, especially the Fox network
I don't think Fox is anymore guilty than all the others. Although I don't watch network tv at all. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy.
 

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I don't think Fox is anymore guilty than all the others. Although I don't watch network tv at all. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy.
Dunno, the only one that I am aware of that has websites dedicated to showing the various female employees/anchors/personalities is the F.N.C.

Could be others, but if there are, I haven' heard of them. F.N.C. surely promotes the "sex sells" concept of Journalism.
 

peacenik

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I don't think Fox is anymore guilty than all the others. Although I don't watch network tv at all. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy.


I watch all the networks. Fox female reporters show more leg, knees, and cleavage than the others though they have cut back on that just a bit. They also used to wear open toed spike heels rather than closed shoes. This just to add a spicy to their presentations. But let's face it - it works to bring up ratings.
 
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kaylagrl

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It is very difficult to ascertain from that link which specific wars the authors were referring to. When Queen Victoria and King Leopold invaded India and Congo thereby killing far more people than did Hitler in Europe, were these counted among the religious wars? After all, they, like Hitler, claimed to have been "justified" in their actions because they were God ordained.

Fast forward a century and a half later when Bush claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq. This should be included among the genocidal wars committed by Christian professing imperialists. If Watts had been around today that is what he would do.

Im not sure how they decided but its suppose to be a handbook of war I think. I wanted to read it, but it costs a small fortune! Maybe we need to split the cost? :p
 

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It's got nothing to do with libbies or what certain sections of the media portray as you see it. I'm literate. I identify with conservative values. I love God. What do you know. I can be just as sarcastic but it doesn't accomplish anything. The truth is that women are still disenfranchised from society in comparison to men. To give an example, equal pay is just one of the issues we still face today in 2016.


I'd encourage you when you have some spare time to study the following discussion about different aspects of feminism that I think you'd really benefit from learning about. Feminism is the experiences that have shaped women in their lives and the challenges that we face in the world as it is today as a result. I believe that's the way Jesus would've considered it and exercised due compassion.


[video=youtube;Jzcs4ti_bdI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzcs4ti_bdI&ab_channel=SydneyOperaHouseTal ks&Ideas[/video]
Just ask Malala from Pakistan if there is a war on women. I just watched the documentary, "He Named Me Malala," which was a follow-up movie to her book, "I AM MALALA." She is truly an international hero for women, especially young women, in her courageous victory over Islamic (Taliban) oppression of the education of girls and women within the Muslim culture. But, Patriarchal domination and subjugation of women is found in many cultures, and religions, sadly.

And, what Malala, or her father, may not yet understand, is that it is part of mainstream Islamic tradition, although her family's courageous, and miraculous, divine victory over the deranged factions of the Taliban, will soon lead to the reform of Islamic abuses of women, and she is heralding a divine transformation, and overthrow, of archaic views that are even against their own Q'uran, and certainly against who God truly is as a loving, forgiving Creator, who, since the advent of the Messiah, revealed the true identity of divine love, as Light, humble Mercy, sanctity, colorful beauty, as well as past revelations of God's justice and power.

Malala said that she forgives those who tried to kill her and her friends because her religion teaches that forgiveness is the true heart of Divine Love. This is why Jesus came into the world, as the Christ, the Divine Son of God, the Lamb of God, and the Messiah of all humanity, all religions, and all peoples. No one could be a better witness of the truth and reality that a loving Creator loves all children equally, like a loving Father and Mother, not just male students and servants of God.

I hope Malala will see the significance of women in Judaic/Islamic and Christian scriptures and history, such as Eve, wife of Adam, Sarah, wife of Abraham, Mary, wife of Joseph and mother of Jesus, and Mary of Magdala, and others through the ages such as Joan of Arc, and women who have bravely stood up to the deranged patriarchal hatred of women in the name of religion.

And, I hope women throughout the world will look up to Malala's testimony of the value and power of conservative modesty, and the beauty of honoring God's love and rules, freedom and equal access to education that honors society and Islamic and Judeo-Christian values, including the sanctity of life, unborn life, the sanctity of traditional marriage, and loving and forgiving enemies who are blinded by religion, violence and hatred, while still bringing them to justice and protecting the innocent.

Jesus said, "the gentle-hearted will inherit the earth." Many of them will be led by Malala, the gentle-hearted, international hero of peace.

I disagree with her father on one thing: he said a person did not try to kill his daughter, but an "ideology." When a gorilla would kill a child who stands up for peace, freedom and equality for all people, it is not ideology, but murder in the name of religion. Since God is love, mercy, truth, and peace, such acts are murder in the name of the devil the Islamic militants serve. And, like gorilla's who have no value of life, they strive to devour their own religion, themselves, and their own young.
 
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Total nonsense to be honest. American women actively choose less demanding, less time consuming, less dangerous careers. Take into account hours worked, education, and experience, and the pay gap nearly disappears. In most places it's illegal to pay women different wages for equal work.

You need to stop relying on English Women's Literature and Feminist Studies graduates for your economic and historical narrative. Most women have it better than men in developed Western countries nowadays, especially in the younger generation.



You don't know me at all nor have you asked me anything to conclude what you have. I don't know where you drew any of those conclusions. My sources are not based on graduates you quoted. They're from my personal experience, my own formal education, experience of women and being one in today's society. Have you actually been educated in women's issues? Do you know some of the issues that women face today?

Speaking as a woman who grew up in a male dominated household, who has had their own personal challenges living in the war on women, I would be careful the next time you speak to a girl scoffing 'total nonsense' and telling her to get her opinions outside of a feminist studies degree. It is incredibly ignorant and offensive and you show yourself up to be significantly uneducated not just in your lack of social regard but the complete absence of understanding on the issues women face today.

You listed a couple of typical responses to the war on women but they're incredibly ignorant generalisations. I'll educate you in one: For a women to be believed in court that she has been been attacked by a man, it more often than not takes a man as a witness in the case to actually have the court convict the male of a crime. One woman's voice and a group of women who have been attacked by the same person often isn't enough sufficient until a male's opinion is considered in the case. I show evidence of this in the clip previously posted, I'm not sure if you've watched, but I would encourage you to. Another example: Domestic violence. Here in Australia, our current statistics show that one woman dies every week at the hands of their husband as a result of abuse.
Women put in just as many hours, can illustrate just as much formal education, training and experience and equal pay for equal work is still an issue women face today in the work force.

I find your comments ignorant generalisations that are incredibly lacking and offensive. I would ask you to educate yourself on the many issues that women experience both in the western and developing parts of the world before you make any further hollow statements.

 
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Just ask Malala from Pakistan if there is a war on women. I just watched the documentary, "He Named Me Malala," which was a follow-up movie to her book, "I AM MALALA." She is truly an international hero for women, especially young women, in her courageous victory over Islamic (Taliban) oppression of the education of girls and women within the Muslim culture. But, Patriarchal domination and subjugation of women is found in many cultures, and religions, sadly.


Sounds like a fantastic piece, I will definitely look into it.
 
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In USA, women are now permitted to serve in combat positions.
 
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peacenik

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Im not sure how they decided but its suppose to be a handbook of war I think. I wanted to read it, but it costs a small fortune! Maybe we need to split the cost? :p




That would exceed the limited resources I have on my monthly budget. Perhaps we could visit the library and borrow a volume or two of the book?

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