Is this the start of the Civil War in the US?

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Nehemiah6

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Denver tells migrants you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here
As usual TOTAL STUPIDITY from the Left. First you become a sanctuary city, then you discover that that simply does not work.
  • Denver Mayor Michael Hancock signed a bill into law in 2017 codifying the city's resistance to work with federal immigration enforcement, along with legal defense and coordinated assistance, shortly after Donald Trump was elected president.
  • At the time, the mayor said his intent was to let Denver's refugee and immigrant communities know: "We've got your backs."
What we know: Denver is operating — at capacity — a reception center, two emergency shelters, an overflow shelter, and several hotels and shelters managed by community partners.
https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2023/01/05/denver-destination-sanctuary-migrants

Trump should have signed an executive order long ago making sanctuary status in the USA illegal. There is nothing in the Constitution to support such a destructive concept.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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EMERGENCY ALERT !! GOV. ABBOTT OF TEXAS DEFIES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT & INVOKES THE INVASION CLAUSE


Texas is unique, since we joined the U.S. by TREATY, and as such, are legally free to EXIT the U.S. should we decide that it's in our best interests to do so. I don't know all the details of that (But it would make a raft-load of LAWYERS rich, i'm sure). We'd LOSE all federal programs (Social Security, and Medicare would be the ones I'd have concern about). but without any "War issues" we're free to walk away, and become our own country, IF we choose to, and the feds couldn't do anything about that. NATURALLY there's a "Lunatic fringe" (The TEXIT bunch) that want to bring it to a vote here. Biden, and his handlers obviously DON'T HAVE A CLUE, and are content with having no functional southern border.

YES, we in Texas are completely aware that a significant number of the folks living, and working (and even voting) in our state are completely illegal. Our "Public works", and construction industries depend on them.
 

ZNP

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Texas is unique, since we joined the U.S. by TREATY, and as such, are legally free to EXIT the U.S. should we decide that it's in our best interests to do so. I don't know all the details of that (But it would make a raft-load of LAWYERS rich, i'm sure). We'd LOSE all federal programs (Social Security, and Medicare would be the ones I'd have concern about). but without any "War issues" we're free to walk away, and become our own country, IF we choose to, and the feds couldn't do anything about that. NATURALLY there's a "Lunatic fringe" (The TEXIT bunch) that want to bring it to a vote here. Biden, and his handlers obviously DON'T HAVE A CLUE, and are content with having no functional southern border.

YES, we in Texas are completely aware that a significant number of the folks living, and working (and even voting) in our state are completely illegal. Our "Public works", and construction industries depend on them.
I have googled that and it seems it is not true. Texas has the right to break up into 5 states if they wish giving them 10 senators instead of 2, but otherwise they have no right to secede from the union any more than any other state.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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I have googled that and it seems it is not true. Texas has the right to break up into 5 states if they wish giving them 10 senators instead of 2, but otherwise they have no right to secede from the union any more than any other state.
CHeck again.
 

ZNP

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No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth
The theme of independence has recurred throughout the history of Texas, which was a republic from 1836–45. But the Civil War established that a state cannot secede.

BY TEXAS TRIBUNE STAFF
JUNE 20, 2022UPDATED: MARCH 6, 2023

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/0...exas can't legally,that a state cannot secede.

Despite perennial talk of another secession, the law is clear that Texas may not leave the union.

The idea is most often raised by conservatives in the state who are angry over some kind of policy coming from the federal government — and the calls seem to become more frequent when a Democrat is occupying the White House. State Rep. Kyle Biedermann, R-Fredericksburg, filed a bill in 2021 to create a referendum election on whether Texans should create a joint legislative committee “to develop a plan for achieving Texas independence.”

“It is now time that the People of Texas are allowed the right to decide their own future,” he said in a statement announcing the legislation.

Even if the Legislature were to act on the new Republican Party proposal to put an independence referendum on the general election, it would not be legally valid.

“The legality of seceding is problematic,” Eric McDaniel, associate professor of government at the University of Texas at Austin, told The Texas Tribune in 2016. “The Civil War played a very big role in establishing the power of the federal government and cementing that the federal government has the final say in these issues.”

As the United States was torn apart by divisions over whether slavery could expand into the nation’s western territories, Texas in 1861 voted to secede from the Union. In the ensuing Civil War, up to 750,000 people — more than 2 percent of all Americans — died. Following the defeat of the Confederacy in 1865, Texas was formally readmitted to the Union in 1870, during the Reconstruction Era. Many historians believe that when the Confederacy surrendered at Appomattox in 1865, the idea of secession was forever defeated, McDaniel said. The Union’s victory set a precedent that states could not legally secede.

Even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession had never been legal, and that, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state.
 

ZNP

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National Broadcasting Corp, carrying water for Biden

NBC News Says Border Convoy Heading To Texas Has Called For Civil War

 

Cameron143

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I have googled that and it seems it is not true. Texas has the right to break up into 5 states if they wish giving them 10 senators instead of 2, but otherwise they have no right to secede from the union any more than any other state.
That's not a bad idea.
 

Nehemiah6

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...but otherwise they have no right to secede from the union any more than any other state.
How about 25 or more states, not just Texas? When you have a CRIMINAL ROGUE federal government which violates the Constitution daily, and imposes all kinds of tyranny on the population , then every state has the right to secede.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence

WHEN in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Has the rogue Biden government violated these FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES? And does the Declaration give the states the right to separate? It certainly does. If the Founding Fathers found is necessary to break away from British tyranny, Americans today have the right to break away from Communist tyranny. But it takes guts.

The British monarch also said what you are saying -- that Americans could not LEGALLY break away from British tyranny. But whose legality are your going to accept? Legality and the rule of law mean nothing to the rogue Communist government in Washington, D,C.
 

ZNP

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Look at this, 4 more states

This is a very different issue but one could easily see this becoming an issue causing a split in the union.

https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/1-31_-_Letter_re_UNRWA_Funding_-_Final.pdf

26 states taking issue with the UN (globalists), on this list are 4 states who did not come forward to support Texas concerning the border (Indiana, La, Ms, Ky). So now you could be looking at a coalition of 31 states.

This means that Mn, Wi, Mi, and Ill are surrounded, if those four states join this coalition would Colorado be next?
 

ZNP

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Look at this, 4 more states

This is a very different issue but one could easily see this becoming an issue causing a split in the union.

https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/1-31_-_Letter_re_UNRWA_Funding_-_Final.pdf

26 states taking issue with the UN (globalists), on this list are 4 states who did not come forward to support Texas concerning the border (Indiana, La, Ms, Ky). So now you could be looking at a coalition of 31 states.

This means that Mn, Wi, Mi, and Ill are surrounded, if those four states join this coalition would Colorado be next?
Let us pray

Lord Jesus, we come to you standing on your blood, shed for us, to deliver us from all sin and bondage of the evil one. Thank you Lord that you are the Lord of hosts and the Man of war. We claim victory over every globalist in this country, in the name of Jesus. I bind and paralyze the strongman employed or delegated to disgrace those who are standing for You, in the name of Jesus. Let all the affairs of the current situation with the border and the UN be too hot for any evil power to manipulate, in the name of Jesus. O Lord, in You is hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, grant us the wisdom to subdue all opposition and to scale the walls of their fort. O Lord, let it be impossible for my adversary to subdue the truth in this matter, in the name of Jesus. O Lord, let us find favour in the sight of those who are responsible for their states. Both the governors and the AGs. I close every negative door that the enemy might want to open, using this case, in the name of Jesus. I cancel any demonic decision and expectation concerning this case, in the name of Jesus. Let all the demonic obstacles that have been established in the heart of anyone be destroyed, in the name of Jesus. Lord, give all the parties concerned, dreams, visions and restlessness that would advance the cause of your kingdom on this earth. I bind and put to flight all the spirits of fear, anxiety and discouragement, in the name of Jesus. I break the backbone of the spirits of conspiracy and treachery, in the name of Jesus. Let the Lord confuse the tongues of those gathered to do us harm, after the order of the builders of the Tower of Babel, in the name of Jesus. Let my adversaries make mistakes that will advance our cause, in the name of Jesus. Let every counsel, plan, desire, expectation, imagination, device and activity of the enemy against this case be rendered null and void, in the name of Jesus. Let all satanic banks and purses receive the fire of God and burn to ashes, in the name of Jesus. Lord Jesus, thank you, with you is the victory. Heavenly Father may you be glorified in all that we have prayed today, in the name of Jesus Christ, Lord of Lords and King of kings.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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How about 25 or more states, not just Texas? When you have a CRIMINAL ROGUE federal government which violates the Constitution daily, and imposes all kinds of tyranny on the population , then every state has the right to secede.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence

WHEN in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Has the rogue Biden government violated these FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES? And does the Declaration give the states the right to separate? It certainly does. If the Founding Fathers found is necessary to break away from British tyranny, Americans today have the right to break away from Communist tyranny. But it takes guts.

The British monarch also said what you are saying -- that Americans could not LEGALLY break away from British tyranny. But whose legality are your going to accept? Legality and the rule of law mean nothing to the rogue Communist government in Washington, D,C.
Listening to Alex at lunch break . He's having an interview with someone who is told that they are now commanded to use biometric face scans to put everyone into a terrist data base. The order is coming from biten. What do you think about that?
 

Nehemiah6

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Listening to Alex at lunch break . He's having an interview with someone who is told that they are now commanded to use biometric face scans to put everyone into a terrorist data base. The order is coming from Biden. What do you think about that?
All the more reason to break away from the federal government.
 

Nehemiah6

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ELECTION 2024
11 things desperate Dems are willing to do to beat Trump
Wayne Allyn Root: They want him marched out of a courtroom in handcuffs, straight to prison
By Wayne Allyn Root
Published February 2, 2024 at 7:22pm

This country is such a mess under President Joe Biden. It's hard to even believe what's happening is real. How can this many things be going wrong at once? It seems like fiction. Or a nightmare. If you ever pitched this as a screenplay in Hollywood, they'd laugh you out of town.

The borders are open and millions of foreign migrants, murderers, terrorists, rapists and dangerous military-age males from Hamas, Hezbollah, MS-13 and our mortal enemy China are pouring in.

Crime is out of control. In Washington, a former Trump administration official was just carjacked and almost killed on a busy street just blocks from the White House. In New York City, a mob of illegal aliens beat two NYPD cops in the middle of a busy street. Then, after being arrested, they were released within hours with "no bail."

Biden says the economy is roaring, yet UPS just laid off 12,000 employees nationwide. UPS obviously knows Biden is lying.

Inflation is still raging – ask Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen. She just admitted high prices are here to stay. But I didn't need Janet Yellen to tell me. Almost everything I spend my money on is at record highs – my electric bill, car insurance, health insurance, groceries and restaurant bills.

Even worse is the weaponization of government. It feels like we are living in prewar Nazi Germany. Just days ago, a jury convicted a group of peaceful, pro-life, religious Christians of "conspiracy" for praying and singing hymns at an abortion clinic. They face 11 years in prison.

And then there's wars starting around the globe under Biden. Things are so bad, the No. 1 question I get asked at parties is, "Wayne, tell us, what is coming first – a civil war, or World War III? Can we fight both at the same time? Is that possible?" Everyone is stocking up on guns in preparation for what's coming.

It's no wonder four-times-indicted President Donald Trump is beating the pants off Biden. According to the latest Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll, Trump is winning by wide margins in all seven swing states. He's up by 10 points in North Carolina, and 8 points in Nevada and Georgia.

Two things are now crystal clear:
1. Trump has the GOP nomination wrapped up. It's over. Trump is the nominee. In the Nevada caucus coming up next week, Trump will win 100% of the delegates. That's already guaranteed.
2. In the general election, Biden is finished. The stink on him is so bad, nothing can turn it around at this point. The Biden brand is poison. Democrats are like Kevin Costner in the movie "No Way Out." Desperate Democrats no longer have any choice – they have to rig the election. If Trump gets back in the White House, Democrats are going to prison. Some may wind up serving life in prison (or worse) for treason.
Knowing these corrupt creeps and traitors like I do, here is a list of what I believe is coming down the pike in the next nine months, courtesy of the Democrat playbook:

1. We could see more indictments of Trump from now through the election. Maybe even a big one out of left field close to the election – a so-called October surprise.

2. They will try to convict Trump before the November election – and if possible, lead him out of the courtroom in handcuffs, straight to prison.

3. They will keep trying to disqualify Trump – at least until they get a final ruling out of the Supreme Court.

4. If all else fails, I fear the deep state will try to assassinate Trump. They really are that evil.

5. And if all that fails, Biden will drop out of the race for health reasons, and Democrats will choose Michelle Obama as their 2024 presidential nominee. I'm no Johnny-come-lately to this prediction. I made it in print a year ago – on Jan. 22, 2023. The only issue here is, does Michelle want it? If not, they'll either replace Biden with California Gov. Gavin Newsom or stick with Biden but double down on the other 10 planks in this column to rig the election against Trump.

6. In conjunction with all the above, Democrats will try their best to start World War III as both a WMD (weapon of mass distraction) and to stir up patriotism for the incumbent Democrat president.

7. Democrats could cancel the election with the country paralyzed by waves of deadly terror attacks (with terrorists that Biden waved in with his open borders) or an EMP attack that cripples our water, sewage, electric grid and infrastructure.

8. China will invade Taiwan this year. China needs to move before the election – while the brain-dead man with dementia and diapers, who is bribed and blackmailed by China, is still in control.

9. The COVID pandemic was just a trial run. Another pandemic could strike America in the run-up to the election – but this one will be far deadlier. This will result in panic, hysteria and a 100% mail-in ballot election (the perfect recipe for voter fraud).
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10. Black Lives Matter was just a trial run. Expect mass anarchy in the run-up to the election, but much larger than the BLM demonstrations in the summer of 2020 – this time involving not just disgruntled black rioters and looters but millions of illegal aliens combined with pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas, anti-Israel protesters.

11. And most importantly, combine everything above with the same game plan from 2020:
– Mail-in ballots combined with no voter ID.
– Ballot harvesting (a crime everywhere else in the world but America).
– Unsupervised ballot drop boxes.
– No signature match on ballots.
– Billions of dollars spent on "election integrity" by globalist billionaires – with the real purpose to rig the turnout in favor of Democrats.
– Social media rigging the election by censoring the news feed to allow only fake positive news about Democrats and only negative stories about Trump.
And of course, the simplest scam of all:
– Keep counting votes for days after election night until Democrats win.
Count on much of that, or all of that, happening over the next nine months.


Wanna bet?
https://www.wnd.com/2024/02/11-things-desperate-dems-willing-beat-trump/
 

ZNP

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[LIVE] TEXAS GOV. ABBOTT SENDS DIRECT MESSAGE TO BIDEN FROM TEXAS BORDER | 14 STATE GOV. JOINS 2024

 

ZNP

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SCOTUS hears Trump ballot oral arguments, justices appear skeptical of removal

Justice Kagan questioned whether one state should decide on behalf of the entire country who should be president.

Justice Roberts warned that if the Court ruled in favor of the plaintiffs, some states would interpret that to mean they could kick off Democrats or Republicans from the ballot.

Justice Jackson challenged lawyer Jason Murray’s assertion that there was no ambiguity in Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Chief Justice Roberts warned of the “daunting consequences” should only a handful of states decide the President of the United States.

Per Bream, a closed-door conference vote on the decision will come in the next few days. A decision may come in a matter of days or months.


https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/supreme-court-hears-trump-ballot-oral-arguments
 

Nehemiah6

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Per Bream, a closed-door conference vote on the decision will come in the next few days. A decision may come in a matter of days or months
According to what you quoted, the article forgot to include what Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Thomas had to say to the lawyer representing Colorado. They thoroughly destroyed Colorado's arguments.
 

ZNP

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US SHERIFFS DROPS A MAJOR BOMBSHELL [ YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN ]

 

Nehemiah6

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The List: 64 Ways Joe Biden Opened America’s Borders to the World’s Migrants
In January, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) compiled a list that details each of the 64 actions taken by Biden and his DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas over the last three years to entice the world’s migrants to the U.S.
Johnson said in a statement: Since his first day in office, President Biden and his administration have worked to systematically undermine America’s border security. On more than 60 occasions, he has manipulated the federal bureaucracy to open our borders to illegal immigrants, human trafficking, fentanyl, and potential terrorists.
“The result is a humanitarian and national security catastrophe,” he continued. “The President must use his executive authority to repair what he has broken. I am calling on him to do so. ”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ened-americas-borders-to-the-worlds-migrants/

The only problem is that knowing all this, Mike Johnson has been pandering to (and capitulating to) Joe Biden. He could have shut down the government on the first day that he became speaker, and insisted that the border be shut down before any monies were approved for any reason. ( And outlawed all funds going to Ukraine).

At the same time he could have demanded that the Biden administration round up every illegal migrant who entered since January, 2021, and be deported to Mexico. He could have even legislated that all trade with Mexico be shut down until the migrant issue was properly resolved. So Mike Johnson (and Kevin McCarthy) are as much to blame as Biden. They did not have the guts to simply shut down the federal government.

Chip Roy called for this in early January and nobody took him seriously:
Chip Roy on shutdown threats: ‘It’s now or never’ on border demands
Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) said conservatives need to withhold government funding to force the Biden administration to negotiate to meet the GOP’ border demands, with a potential partial shutdown just two weeks away.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4391249-chip-roy-shutdown-border-demands/#:~:text=Chip Roy (R-Texas),shutdown just two weeks away.
 

ZNP

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NY has lost $1 trillion in assets and 10 billionaires since 2020.

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