Israel Declares War

[Magenta]

So only Jews & Gays have a right to call out stereotype or hate crimes - but not Muslims, Christians
and others who are stereotyped - know I understand. And see your hatred for Muslims.

Whatever are you on about? Never mind. You make no sense. Support Islam if you want. I won't. No Christian should, or even could.

 

[cv5]

They are not obligated to do so

And they did not. Tragic yes. But the Gazan crisis must continue, despite the horrific casualties.
Because.....they want it that way, simple as that.

 

[HeIsHere]

And they did not. Tragic yes. But the Gazan crisis must continue, despite the horrific casualties.
Because.....they want it that way, simple as that.

Victim blaming.

 

[Magenta]

Victim blaming.

Hamas are victims now? Oh my .

 

[cv5]

Victim blaming.

Not the Gazans. They are caught in the crossfire for the most part.
I am talking about the Hamas leaders living in luxury in Dubai and the Iranian/Arab elites doing the same.

But I thought that you would understand my meaning. Yup.....I was disappointed again. Oh well.

 

[HeIsHere]

I am talking about the Hamas leaders living in luxury in Dubai and the Iranian/Arab elites doing the same.

You mean like when George W. sent men overseas to die in Iraq as he sat comfortably in the White House?
Were those Americans soldiers reclaiming stolen land?

 

[cv5]

You mean like when George W. sent men overseas to die in Iraq as he sat comfortably in the White House?
Were those Americans soldiers reclaiming stolen land?

What are you trying to do? Make me feel guilty for GW's sins?
You are wasting your time. And mine.

Same goes for this Gaza debacle. Not my business, not my sin.........AND NOT MINE TO JUDGE.

 

[Smoke]

What are you trying to do? Make me feel guilty for GW's sins?
You are wasting your time. And mine.

Same goes for this Gaza debacle. Not my business, not my sin.........AND NOT MINE TO JUDGE.

They have made it our business when our tax dollars are financing these wars though, yeah?

We have given billions upon billions to Ukraine and now we get to do the same with Israel, not counting the billions that went to Iran which more than likely was also then given to Hamas. I don't blame anyone not wanting to support what is currently going on in Ukraine and Gaza.

 

[cv5]

They have made it our business when our tax dollars are financing these wars though, yeah?

We have given billions upon billions to Ukraine and now we get to do the same with Israel, not counting the billions that went to Iran which more than likely was also then given to Hamas. I don't blame anyone not wanting to support what is currently going on in Ukraine and Gaza.

Really? Well you had better do something about it other than whining.
I totally disagree with wasting blood and treasure. But my priority is......PREACHING THE GOSPEL to every creature.

That is our mandate. Collective guilt and woke ideology? A waste of my time.

 

[Smoke]

Really? Well you had better do something about it other than whining.
I totally disagree with wasting blood and treasure. But my priority is......PREACHING THE GOSPEL to every creature.

That is our mandate. Collective guilt and woke ideology? A waste of my time.

How do you know I'm not already doing something about it? Interesting how you make it personal when someone has a dissenting belief than you.

Objecting to evil is considered whining to you apparently. I believe we are commanded to preach the Gospel too... which, in part, is objecting to evil and anything contrary to God's word. I suppose we are commanded to be whiners by your standards.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

At what point would you admit you are wrong? If the state of Israel is dissolved, would you admit it then? That you misinterpreted prophecy? Just curious whether this is really just a *very* strongly held belief, or some sort of cult doctrine that takes precedence over scripture.

I'm not Amil (I don't think). I believe Daniel was fulfilled already by 70AD, but not necessarily Revelation.

Can someone start a thread on this? I never heard of this thinking till I came to CC.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Have you considered that since we are under a new covenant, of necessity the old is of necessity passed and no longer exists? And because it is a covenant involving God, for it to have ended, it must have been fulfilled?
Your last statement, that all must accept Christ, is a condition of the new covenant. The only way for God to deal with Israel as a nation is to reestablish an old covenant or begin a new one.

Yes, normally that would be true. But the covenant God made with Abe was unconditional and everlasting. So the new covenant doesn't change the old in this situation.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Still learning my friend, still putting it together.

However, I am convinced this is a counterfeit and all the promises to Israel have been fulfilled in Jesus.

There is no real estate owing, that is ridiculous.

Except the Bible says there is and God said He would keep His unconditional promise.

 

[Ted01]

Pat Condell - Islamophobia

I actually liked this clip... he articulates my beliefs better than I could.

 

[HeIsHere]

What are you trying to do? Make me feel guilty for GW's sins?
You are wasting your time. And mine.

Same goes for this Gaza debacle. Not my business, not my sin.........AND NOT MINE TO JUDGE.

Not at all, I actually appreciate you see it as the mess it is.

My point is that why does it become particularly egregious for the Arabs, many leaders have benefited from the spoils of war.

It is just as egregious no matter the nation, tribe or group.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes, normally that would be true. But the covenant God made with Abe was unconditional and everlasting. So the new covenant doesn't change the old in this situation.

We disagree somewhat here. Every promise God made to Israel is regard the land was fulfilled in the time of Joshua. Every other promise is fulfilled in Christ.
I realize we disagree on this, but in the book of Joshua, God declares it so. I also understand how this disagrees with many people's understanding of eschatology. But the old covenant has passed. God is no longer dealing with nations as a whole but people individually in the new covenant. Thus, I believe a whole new covenant would be necessary for God to deal with Israel as a nation again. I don't know anyone who believes there are any more covenants on the horizon.

 

[cv5]

Can someone start a thread on this? I never heard of this thinking till I came to CC.

Why bother. It's pretty much a looney-tunes proposition to begin with.

 

[cv5]

I don't know anyone who believes there are any more covenants on the horizon.

We don't have any. And we don't need any.

Edenic Covenant, Adamic Covenant, Noahic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, Mosaic Covenant, Palestinian Covenant, Davidic Covenant, New Covenant

Most people don't even understand that the ETERNAL NOHAIC COVENANT has not been fulfilled. Yet.
Let alone the Abrahamic.

 

[cv5]

Every promise God made to Israel is regard the land was fulfilled in the time of Joshua.

Nope. Not even close. It was a task NOT ACCOMPLISHED even in the time of Joshua, who died before it was completed.
And then it never was.

Jdg 2:20
And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice;

Jdg 2:21
I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died:

Jdg 1:21
And the children of Benjamin did not drive out the Jebusites that inhabited Jerusalem; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Benjamin in Jerusalem unto this day.

Jdg 1:27
Neither did Manasseh drive out the inhabitants of Bethshean and her towns, nor Taanach and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Dor and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Ibleam and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Megiddo and her towns: but the Canaanites would dwell in that land.

Jdg 1:29
Neither did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites that dwelt in Gezer; but the Canaanites dwelt in Gezer among them.

Jdg 1:30
Neither did Zebulun drive out the inhabitants of Kitron, nor the inhabitants of Nahalol; but the Canaanites dwelt among them, and became tributaries.

Jdg 1:31
Neither did Asher drive out the inhabitants of Accho, nor the inhabitants of Zidon, nor of Ahlab, nor of Achzib, nor of Helbah, nor of Aphik, nor of Rehob:

Jdg 1:33
Neither did Naphtali drive out the inhabitants of Bethshemesh, nor the inhabitants of Bethanath; but he dwelt among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land: nevertheless the inhabitants of Bethshemesh and of Bethanath became tributaries unto them.

Jdg 2:21
I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died:

 

[Cameron143]

We don't have any. And we don't need any.

Edenic Covenant, Adamic Covenant, Noahic Covenant, Abrahamic Covenant, Mosaic Covenant, Palestinian Covenant, Davidic Covenant, New Covenant

Most people don't even understand that the ETERNAL NOHAIC COVENANT has not been fulfilled. Yet.
Let alone the Abrahamic.

So you agree. Awesome.