Israel Declares War
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You seem to be saying two DIFFERENT THINGS at the same time. What you are trying to do is cancel the promises to the twelve tribes on one hand, yet quoting passages that confirm those promises. In fact the Deliverer coming to Zion and "Jacob" and cleansing it from all iniquity confirms the promises to the twelve tribes! Looks like you can't make up your mind about this matter.
Also regarding Abraham and his "seed" Christ, why don't you go to the actual Abrahamic Covenant and see that that is only ONE aspect of the Covenant? Of course it is crucial, but that does not mean that you simply ignore what else is there. Paul's was focused on salvation through Christ in Galatians, and was not even addressing the redemption and restoration of Israel.
As to "neither Jew nor Gentile" it is evident that you do not really understand what that is about. It is a reference to the Church -- not the nation of Israel. Within the Church there are no ethnic distinctions, but once the Church is raptured, God will resume His direct dealing with Israel. I could quote reams of passages to support that but it is up to you to study the Word and then post accordingly.
Also regarding Abraham and his "seed" Christ, why don't you go to the actual Abrahamic Covenant and see that that is only ONE aspect of the Covenant? Of course it is crucial, but that does not mean that you simply ignore what else is there. Paul's was focused on salvation through Christ in Galatians, and was not even addressing the redemption and restoration of Israel.
As to "neither Jew nor Gentile" it is evident that you do not really understand what that is about. It is a reference to the Church -- not the nation of Israel. Within the Church there are no ethnic distinctions, but once the Church is raptured, God will resume His direct dealing with Israel. I could quote reams of passages to support that but it is up to you to study the Word and then post accordingly.
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Yes, all the Arab nations are OBLIGATED to do something about the Palestinian Arabs. They have done nothing to really help them. And all the money that has poured into these enclaves has gone towards arms and ammunition to destroy Israel, not give help to the people who need it desperately. That is what genocidal hatred does.
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Well we know that they have not possessed the entire land God promised. Either Joshua means something else, or God doesn't keep His promises. I rather think I will stick with the first one. I have read good explanations of the verses in Joshua. But I cannot believe that God would go back on His everlasting promise. No one yet has gotten past square one for me. If you can explain why everlasting and unconditional mean something else, then I will have to change my POV. I hope that comes across as I meant it and not sarcastically.
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Joshua never established the twelve tribes from the Nile to the Euphrates. Go to Genesis 15 and see this promise. Neither did Solomon. And eventually Israel was banished from Judea in 70 AD. Does that mean that that is the end of the story?
The very fact that the nation state of Israel was established in 1948 and has flourished since then (in spite of unbelief among the Jews and hatred and attacks from the Arabs) should mean something to Bible-believing Christians. . If you cannot see God's hand in this as a prelude to what will happen after "the time of Jacob's trouble" and then the Second Coming of Christ, then obviously you are ignoring some very important developments and some very crucial prophecies in the Bible.
As to every other promise being fulfilled in Christ, that is true up to a point. The promise of the Resurrection/Rapture is yet to be fulfilled. This will include the perfection of the saints.
The very fact that the nation state of Israel was established in 1948 and has flourished since then (in spite of unbelief among the Jews and hatred and attacks from the Arabs) should mean something to Bible-believing Christians. . If you cannot see God's hand in this as a prelude to what will happen after "the time of Jacob's trouble" and then the Second Coming of Christ, then obviously you are ignoring some very important developments and some very crucial prophecies in the Bible.
As to every other promise being fulfilled in Christ, that is true up to a point. The promise of the Resurrection/Rapture is yet to be fulfilled. This will include the perfection of the saints.
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Well then you do not know the meaning of "for ever" or "everlasting" or "for ever more". Now take careful note of what God has said so that you may repent of your mistaken ideas. You have rejected what God has said, not human opinions.
EZEKIEL 37: THE EVERLASTING COVENANT INCLUDES THE LAND OF GREATER ISRAEL
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
EZEKIEL 37: THE EVERLASTING COVENANT INCLUDES THE LAND OF GREATER ISRAEL
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
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Abraham was a stranger and sojourner here. He looked for a city whose builder and maker is God. He wasn't looking for an earthly city. Will Abraham receive less in eternity than you or I?
The land pictured here is the rest in Christ, which is eternal. Jacob represents the Israel of God...all true believers, and David represents Christ.
The land pictured here is the rest in Christ, which is eternal. Jacob represents the Israel of God...all true believers, and David represents Christ.
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You desperately need to expand your own mental borders.
The conquest of Canaan (which was never fully completed even to the time of Solomon (as even he did not drive out all of the foreigners from the land)) was but a beginning of the establishment/fulfillment of the covenant. For you to say that it was a full, complete and final manifestation of the covenant is patently absurd. And as I have posted so profusely they failed practically right out of the gate. Within one generation.
Israel was intended to be a holy and righteous kingdom of witnesses and priests to the entire gentile world.
They never EVER achieved this high calling. Not even close.
And they never will until the Second Coming.
The conquest of Canaan (which was never fully completed even to the time of Solomon (as even he did not drive out all of the foreigners from the land)) was but a beginning of the establishment/fulfillment of the covenant. For you to say that it was a full, complete and final manifestation of the covenant is patently absurd. And as I have posted so profusely they failed practically right out of the gate. Within one generation.
Israel was intended to be a holy and righteous kingdom of witnesses and priests to the entire gentile world.
They never EVER achieved this high calling. Not even close.
And they never will until the Second Coming.
Abraham was looking foward HIS promised resurrection, and the resurrection of the entire saved world (he's saw Christs day and was glad). In addition to a land for his own seed from his body.
What's next? Are you going to argue that Genesis 15:18 is speaking to Christians?
You have got to get a grip bro. Most of this is going over your head. Way over.
What's next? Are you going to argue that Genesis 15:18 is speaking to Christians?
You have got to get a grip bro. Most of this is going over your head. Way over.
But the temple will be there first.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4,8-12 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that
he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4,8-12 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that
he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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